After hours of compiling and re-reading, I present this post. I fail to quote any of the parts which I'm responding to, mainly to Serial's analysis though. Ask if you want to see which thing I'm referring to.
The argument with Hero and Tenchi is being pretty dead, it seems to be fruitless and tiring conversation so I have nothing to direct to add to it.
As for the pursuing of Hero which Tenchi is doing, I found post 72 to be somehow the starting point of the whole current argument. It somehow over time comes off as Tenchi fishing for Hero to become aggressive, then Hero comes off aggressive towards Tenchi, so in a way both are pursuing each other.
Serial pointed out I'm experienced, I'll clarify that I've played 2 other mafia games online, so not too experienced really. He pointed out that I probably didn't understand the contradiction, which is correct. I don't understand the contradiction all that well, which is probably the main problem. Can someone explain this to me, because all I see is someone picking up a post which didn't really contain anything like a vote, merely a suspicion, where I poorly explained my justification for a FoS.
I agree with Tenchi being rather inconsistent with his posts, but I do love the player-by-player posts he's making <3
Reason behind post 155 - I wanted to know why he wanted to unvote at L-1 IF there hadn't been a mistake by tenchi. I thought it looked pretty much like he wanted to distance himself for this bad lynch or something, I kinda forgot to pursue this after the whole Hero-Tenchi started.
Agree on the tunnelvision part, they're clearly tunneling.
Toledo never said anything about me being cleared. He said most, that is only a major part, of suspicion is gone, cleared was the word Kiku was using and the word which you are using which implies that I'd be 100% clear. It's odd you'd make an argument against him based on a word choice he didn't use.
I did receive a prod as well, because not posting for 4 days, just so it's clear. Thanks mod for being observent <3
Hyper-claiming, as noted, is not a good idea at the moment, maybe later when more nights have passed.
I agree on tenchi and hero not necessarily having one scum in them, and because of the tunnelvisioning we are better off focusing on other players because we can from them draw a better conclusion and if we catch the scum, we can draw connections better.
For some reason, you are quick to announce Kiku as very townie, when she has failed to address the large movements and just sniped at minor details IMO. No attacks have been made against her and she seems to actively hunt these logical inconsistencies, but I'm not convinced that she wouldn't be scum who just lets minor slips of her scumbuddy to go by if those would happen.
Hockey does appear suspicious for his bad reasoning and contradictions, but I find some of his arguments valid (see some post where i defend him vs hero)
Toledo is my main target as of the moment. Last post I made I suspected him and Tenchi being together as scum, but after Serial argued about how Hero and Tenchi doing their argument is most likely town or at least not the most profitable way to scumhunt, I'm actually agreeing with him because he pretty much completed the issue with Tenchi-Hero-argument with
SerialClergyman wrote:And so - I would recommend getting away from both players. I doubt scum would try to flog a dead horse and continue the same argument around and around, sticking their neck out so far. I think it's much more likely for the scum to be retreating.
Scum would not gain any advantage from trying to continue this argument like that.
Hockey post 133 - he seems to be more getting at the fact that if people act scummy, they get voted for it. I should look over his posts again, because I didn't find his case that strong.
If you really want to get in to my contradiction in D1 again: a) both reasons, his vote count was getting high and I was suspicious of him b) random vote first, suspicions later!
Tenchi, give me the reasons why hero is scum, and I'll review it.
Why I mentioned random vote technique? Just so happens, a dice lands on CJ, I read the thread and decide to include the result of my dice roll in to the post. It gets interpreted as if it is the only reason why I FoSed, I didn't think of this when I included it.
questions to each player:
Hockeyruler:
Why did you not check the thread before making a post where you find me suspicious (post 97)?
Why did you suddenly decide that it was good idea to vote for CJ when he makes a stupid post (post 136)?
Do you mean that the reason why CJ should have been lynched was that if a person would votehop and not give sufficent reasons, we should lynch them just because of that (post 166)?
If you agree that lynching an unhelpful/antitown person is justified, then why do you bring up that CJ is probably townie?
Do you think tenchi is town (post 209)?
Tenchi:
Why did you reason your vote on Hero with an attempt to paint you in a bad way rather than defend against it (post 57)?
Do you think your way of responding to Hero will make it easier to deal with him in the future (post 39 and following posts)?
If yes to previous question, why do you communicate with him like that?
What in Hero's post made you smell the stench (post 72)?
Why did you unvote (post 90)?
Why do you say that everyone should have their suspects by now (post 131)?
Simulpost (post 141)?
What was your reasoning at post 141 to hammer CJ (post 141)?
Do you think that discussion at L-1 will be helpful or not (post 151)?
Do you vote quickly without reasoning properly beforehand often (post 167)?
Is your vote on Hero because of OMGUS or because of his twisting of your words or combination of this and something else maybe (post 171)?
If you are a townie, why would you not defend yourself properly but ask for votes on you (post 182)?
Why did you ignore the discussion about me and others and yet decided CJ discussion had come to an end(post 190)?
Are you saying you are content if we lynch you because you made a mistake (post 198)?
Do you think the only reason people will vote for you is because you hammered CJ (post 208)?
Why do you think Hero is ignoring parts of your conversations (post 229)?
What, in your opinion, is wrong with the exchange with Hero (post 243)?
Why did you unvote Hero (post 271)?
How many games are you playing and how much attention are you giving this game?
Hero764:
Do you feel Tenchi is stepping on your toes at this point (post 20)?
Did you decide to become more and more aggressive on purpose (post 37 onwards)?
What do you think there is to discuss about that post bay Tenchi (post 55)?
What did you find interesting about the post (post 71)?
Do you not see a contradiction in my posts (post 89)?
How was lynching CJ partly your fault apart from your vote on him (post 153)?
What won't you talk about much more, his lynch or what you did to get him lynched (post 153)?
Why is Hockey not exactly looking good because of the 30 min hammer (post 153)?
If CJ would be at L-1, do you think he would be responding with more effort than if he was at L-2 (post 157)?
How did everyone know CJ was town (post 157)?
Does Tenchi answer to your question #1 in a satisfying manner (post 174)?
If you expect there to be discussion at L-1, why do you think that the person who put CJ at L-1 is suspicious then (post 174)?
Do you think you are not focusing too much on Tenchi (post 186)?
Why do you think Toledo is acting odd (post 196)?
If a game has one player who jumps around with his votes, making senseless arguments and not providing answers to your questions, would you lynch him (post 216)?
Why do you say it's ok to come hammer someone when you put them at L-1 when you earlier said that there's discussion before hammer (post 216)?
Because Hockey wants CJ lynched, does it mean that someone else should want as well (post 232)?
Wouldn't it be obvious not to consider a non-cop's hyperclaim investigations and if someone would use them as basis for scumhunt we could see a hidden motivation behind it (post 242)?
How did Hockey want CJ lynched if he couldn't affect how others would vote for him (post 242)?
Do you have some opinion on Kiku (post 258)?
Can you give me a list of your suspects, from most town to most scum?
Toledo88:
What do you find odd with Hero (post 35)?
Why did you feel the need to say I was odd if you had nothing to back it up with (post 62)?
Do you think Tenchi is really pursuing Hero (post 62)?
Do you mean that majority of suspicion on me was removed because I didn't vote for him or because only thing you found suspicious about me was my FoS (post 152)?
Do you think there is any real connection with Artem's NK and his vote on Slaine (post 152)?
Do you find me suspicious or not anymore (post 173)?
Why do you find Tenchi and Hero scummy (post 173)?
Can you point out the reasons why Tenchi is scummy (post 199)?
Do you have anything to say about your change of posting style?
Who else could Hero focus (post 226)?
kikuchiyo:
Why didn't you find CJ suspicious or how did you think his previous actions were townish?
Why do you find me to be chock full of bullshit (post 118)?
In the last part, you refer to a story of theirs, who are they (post 132)?
Why do you say he virtually clears me off suspicion when he only refers to a part of the causes of my suspicion, he even goes on later thinking that I'm suspicious (post 169)?
Do you think pursuing Tenchi with his reasoning for lynching CJ along with his early hammer will be useful or what do you think we can learn from it (post 180)?
Why do you find starting a day by saying who you don't think is suspicious is suspicious (post 180)?
What issues did you have with Tenchi and why did you clear him (post 217)?
Can you give me a list of people you find suspicious, from towniest to scummiest?
If you find there's something wrong with Toledo's case, why aren't you questioning him but just bring him up (post 224)?
Why are you ok with lynching Tenchi so suddenly (post 233)?
Did you find read anything about the pros and cons of hyperclaiming or debate about them at all before making the suggestion (post 233)?
What questions would you like Toledo to answer (post 263)?
SerialClergyman:
(I can't really question you about what Slaine had said so this will be short)
How well did you read through the thread before making a post-by-post analysis (post 255)?
Why is my first post wifom, when kiku's so apparently town without question (post 255)?
Do you have some issues with me which are unanswered (post 255)?
Do you think Tenchi is scummy because of his contradictions (post 255)?
Do you think Hockey is scummy because of his reasoning which is against the major opinion (post 255)?
Are you saying Artem's pointing at me would make his NK logical, if I was scum (post 255)?
Do you not think that someone at L-1 would try to answer to questions the best possible he can, given that everyone says votes equals pressure (post 255)?
Do you think that it's ok to hammer someone when they are put at L-1 (post 255)?
Was the wagon on CJ justified in your opinion?
How did I oddly defend Toledo or attack Hero (post 256)?
Would you say we are better off hunting for the second scum, assuming Hero/Tenchi would have one of the scum (post 256)?
Do you think Hockey is scummy because he is connected to the fast lynching of CJ (post 264)?
(OOC: Is there an easy way to view posts made by a certain author in certain topic?)
