Double-Headed & Speedy Deep South Massive public review

[Claus]

What do you plan on doing if people start using the 84 hour game to discuss the other one? How do you prevent this without disallowing the cross game meta thing (which seems both fun and somewhat inevitable) altogether?

Site rules: No talking about ongoing games.

GC/Adel: If the problem with allowing the player to revise his action PM once is the burden, I offer to take care of that burden.

I feel that if I were a player, I would appreciate being able to leave a quick choice in case for some reason I can't make it to the deadline, and being allowed to change that choice later. That is also why I say only one change of mind.

[Claus]

Adel,

The tracker PM in the beta game gives the limits in hours, not posts.

[Raging Rabbit]

Site rules: No talking about ongoing games.

So two games starting together with the same player list and very similar setups are supposed to ignore each other completely?

[shaft.ed]

Site rules: No talking about ongoing games.

So two games starting together with the same player list and very similar setups are supposed to ignore each other completely?

No, but you just can't explicitly talk about it

[Adel]

What do you plan on doing if people start using the 84 hour game to discuss the other one? How do you prevent this without disallowing the cross game meta thing (which seems both fun and somewhat inevitable) altogether?

Take a close read of my ruleset. certain things are allowed, and all others are banned. hydra with be able to talk about both games within the hydra, which should be fun. Scum are not allowed to talk about the other game in their QT thread, which I will be monitoring

Also, what's to stop to town from choosing two pro town looking guys (possibly with the help of claims) and quicklynching anyone but them?

the desire to win.

Site rules: No talking about ongoing games.

So two games starting together with the same player list and very similar setups are supposed to ignore each other completely?

Yes. I can't think of a better solution, while still preserving the "time" vs. "post count" comparison. Can you?

[PokerFace]

now leaning towards 11 and 14 for the

7+ and 7- values.

Huh?

[Raging Rabbit]

Yes. I can't think of a better solution, while still preserving the "time" vs. "post count" comparison. Can you?

No, but people will inevitably include the other game in their thought process about both setup WIFOM and, more importantly, meta. And they'll discuss it with their hydra partner a lot. Disallowing them to mention factors everone are will at some point take into account in the actual games is gonna be pretty awkward.

the desire to win.

How so? Maybe it's not the optimal strategy from the start, but I can think of many situations where quicklynching 4 or 5 people based on a predetermined order before the mafia have a chance to kill again would be highly beneficial to the town.

[Adel]

now leaning towards 11 and 14 for the

7+ and 7- values.

Huh?

for the game post based ability reset trigger. Currently the pms read "150 game-posts" which will be to long once the game is down to a few players.

the proposed revision I am considering is for the game-post based trigger to be (number of living players * 11) game posts when there are more than 7 living players and (number of living players * 14) when there are 7 for fewer living players.

another alternative: abilities trigger on pages 21, 34, 42, 47, 50, 53, 56, 59...

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@RR the alternative (letting people talk about the other game in each game thread) seems worse to me. What if Player P is scum in both games, and his partners in alpha have been lynched. All three of them are alive in beta, and Player P's partners from alpha are townies in beta. Beta is in lylo. The temptation for his partners from alpha to out him as scum in alpha in order to win in beta may be too great. I can think of several other possible scenarios that would worse than awkward. Initially I wanted to let players in either game talk about the other game, but I've concluded there are just too many ways that could go bad. Most of you are used to being in two or more games with other players, it won't be too hard. (I've also considered not allowing players to talk about either game until

both

games are done, in order to reduce the chance of encouraging sub-optimal gambit play in one game in order to end one game quickly in oder to get better information for the other game. )
Quick lynching will be an optimal tactic at certain times in both games for every faction. I know that as scum I would definitely advocate quicklynching, especially those players that objected to quicklynching.
If you want to just flip a coin day 1 instead of playing mafia, that is your choice. Good luck convincing the rest of the players to go along with that!

[Raging Rabbit]

Guess you're right about the alternative being worse, though I'm sure cross game meta will be taken into account even if you prevent people from mentioning it out loud. In the same situation you provided, for example, player X could be alive in both games (or even dead in beta and reading alpha) and figure out P is scum since both confirmed scum in alpha attack him in beta for stuff he's done in alpha as well.

Quick lynching is gonna be a big factor and a constant issue of debate. I've no idea if it's gonna unbalance things, but if you thought things through and decided it won't I trust your judgement (until the game starts, that is ).

[J-Scope]

This is Jahudo checking in for team J-Scope.

[Frog Dodging]

COMMODORE JDODGE CHECKING IN FOR THE GOOD SHIP FROG DODGING

[Frog Dodging]

That avatar sums up about how well we'll probably end up working together, heh.

-Shanba.

[Zmd]

See, you gotta be smart and make sure you have a partner who you DO work well with. That's what I did.

-Kmd

[populartajo]

Awwwww.

[Frog Dodging]

See, you gotta be smart and make sure you have a partner who you DO work well with. That's what I did.

-Kmd

Pfft. That would be boring.

- JD

[whoami8]

you're not supposed to sign your name when you use a hydra

-EK (or am I?)

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I have a feeling this is going to be the one game where Kmd breaks his meta of random voting Zazie in every game they're both in. In fact, I'll probably call him out for doing so .

But yes. Awwwwww.

Re JDodge's stance: It's my opinion that my other head and I get along pretty well. Boredom should hopefully be averted by our wildly different playstyles. For example, you can easy tell who this is. The real fun starts when we try collaborative posts.

[Zmd]

I'm not planning to break my meta!

[whoami8]

I have a feeling this is going to be the one game where Kmd breaks his meta of random voting Zazie in every game they're both in. In fact, I'll probably call him out for doing so .

But yes. Awwwwww.

Re JDodge's stance: It's my opinion that my other head and I get along pretty well. Boredom should hopefully be averted by our wildly different playstyles. For example, you can easy tell who this is. The real fun starts when we try collaborative posts.

^^^^^PLUM

[SensFan]

you're not supposed to sign your name when you use a hydra

You really should, though.

Otherwise you'll look scummy for not answering questions that were addressed to something the other head said.

[Zmd]

I'm not planning to break my meta!

Sorry, but if you self vote, I'll OMGUS and then change it to someone else immediately.

All in the same post too.

[Zmd]

I'm not planning to break my meta!

Sorry, but if you self vote, I'll OMGUS and then change it to someone else immediately.

All in the same post too.

I can change it right back

[Zmd]

Please don't...

edit: It's fine the first time. Like I said, I'll OMGUS and change it. But a second time.... Just... no.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I have a feeling this is going to be the one game where Kmd breaks his meta of random voting Zazie in every game they're both in. In fact, I'll probably call him out for doing so .

But yes. Awwwwww.

Re JDodge's stance: It's my opinion that my other head and I get along pretty well. Boredom should hopefully be averted by our wildly different playstyles. For example, you can easy tell who this is. The real fun starts when we try collaborative posts.

^^^^^PLUM

Would you like a cookie?

[Kmd4390]

I'll take a cookie. XD