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[Shinnen_no_Me]

Wow, this must have been the largest D1 ever on MS history.

[Light-kun]

Thw sun starts to fall as

Empking

sits there, twitching nervously. It was Shinnen_no_Me's who noticed it first, whispering her suspicion to

hewitt

. Understanding her opinion, he voiced to the rest of the town in a grand profession that certainly, of them all,

Empking

was the most suspicious. Instantly joined by

Shinnen_no_Me

, who introduced

hewitt

to

Empking's

guilt, they worked together until after a long deliberation,

dejkha

, and

zwetchenwasser

agreed.

Upon seeing the way in which

zwetchenwasser

acted, perhaps as insane as

Empking

, another four rose to challenge him.

TDC

,

Grimmy

,

Empking

, and

ThAdmiral

called

zwetchenwasser

out and voted that he should be lynched instead of

Empking

. The debate was long and fierce, with only one more person left to decide who should live and who should die.

In the corner, however, sat young

sironigous

. He counted on his fingers, muttering "plus" on this point, "minus" on this point, writing out his thoughts. He finally stood up and made a long speech on

Empking

's and

zwetchenwasser

's arguments, explaining their scumminess and towniness in some manner that made absolutely no sense. Recalling old discussions, he muttered thoughts that could scarcley be heard, and after this long, nonsensical analysis, he bellowed:

"VOTE

Empking

!!!"

Empking

jumped up and walked over to

sironigous

, stealing Sir's pen. He raised his hand to stab Sir, but

zwetchenwasser

, Shinnen_no_Me, and

dejkha

, held him back. They tied his hands together, but not one of them could pry the pen from his hands as he struggled to free himself.

dejkha

stood guard while Shinnen_no_Me and

zwetchenwasser

prepared the noose.

zwetchenwasser

complained about the difficulty of setting up the lynch, to which Shinnen_no_Me responded: "Well, if

hewitt

hadn't run home so early, things would be smoother."

Empking

collapsed from the loss of blood before

dejkha

noticed the blood pooling from

Empking

's chest. Apparently, he managed to turn the pen around in his hands and stabbed himself repeatedly.

The reason behind this obscene and unbelievable action was revealed as a piece of paper fluttered down from the heavens.

Grimmy

bent and took up the paper, as it landed away from the body, and read it outloud:

"

Empking

Suicide
Starting at 10:25 (GMT-6) on 13 April 2009,

Empking

, the insane townie

, will feel overwhelmed by being voted to lynch. In an act of violence, he will steal a pen, and then use it to stab himself after 10 minutes."

Night 1 now begins. All actions must be in at the following time:
17 April 2009; 00:00 hours. This gives everyone 73 hours and 35 minutes to send in actions. Thread will be unlocked

1 hour later

at 00:00 due to actions being in early. NO exceptions.

[Light-kun]

The air was oddly chilly for the ides of April. Somewhere, perhaps, another award for heroism would be awarded. At this time, the championships of school sports would be held. The typical everyday championship for Soccer and Baseball would hold its eve now, and even mind games like Chess would host a scholastic state championship. Everything was coming to a close...

And for one, life would soon close.

All had gone to bed that night, but some had no time for sleep. They crept along the back alleys, slinking through the alleys, oozing along the walls, creeping against the floor. They took each step lightly, carefully, and with pure calculation.

These night events can hardly be known to any sleeping denizen. However, the guess could be made obvious when the first grey light of dawn pierced the Dark Heart of this town. Upon the ground was a man dimembered. By the looks of his mangled and torn body, he had parted with limb, then blood, and by a single bullet to top of his torture, at last! He parted with life.

He was a good man, with an obituary to match. Recall, friends, the skeleton dogs he cared for and kept as pets. He even did service work for the Angel of Death, occasionally taking over as the unhappy and yet necessary duty of the ever sorrow filled angel. Truly a noble citizen of this blood stained town. May he be a martyr, a saint, and receive his hallowed place quickly.

Somewhere, however, someone cried...or laughed...and in mockery came the start of famous lines:

"Out, out damned spot..."

Grimmy-the Noble Townie

lies dead on the corner of 1605 Rd and 1606 St

Mod note: Hewitt is replaced by KMD4390.

[TDC]

Can we lynch zwet now?

[zwetschenwasser]

Why?

[Shinnen_no_Me]

I'm kind of lost in this game. I'll have to do some reread to remind some of the important points make in that eternal and never-ending day we had yesterday.

[Kmd4390]

Yeah, I'm not caught up yet. Might be a while. I told the Mod that I'd be slow to catch up when he asked me to replace. But I'll catch up eventually.

[ThAdmiral]

Well I am happy with shinnen or zwet. I happen to think shinnen is a better option but I'd be happy to go either.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

And what's exactly your case on me, TheAd?

[Sironigous]

OK.

I'm seriously lost.

But I'm for a Zwet lynch.
...avenge Grimmy.

[ThAdmiral]

And what's exactly your case on me, TheAd?

Sometimes I get the feeling that you haven't read my posts.
Mainly its the whole tunneling on empking through all of day one while ignoring other options, and also saying a few things that sounded strange and could have been minor slips.

[zwetschenwasser]

OK.

I'm seriously lost.

But I'm for a Zwet lynch.
...avenge Grimmy.

Eh? Porquoi?

[dejkha]

Long day ones are usually good for town. I am fairly confident town will win this game.

It's hard to say that in a game with Emp and Zwet

Check some non-newbie games, TDC, and you'll find that I enjoy hammering no matter what alignment I am.

Well, when you're purposely building a meta to make your hammers a nulltell, I'm not buying it and neither should anyone else. If it's your playstyle then change it or expect to be lynched for it.

sorry guys but i just really fucken hate this game so i'm outta here. you'll probably get somebody who'll be a lot more helpful in this game anyways.

Normally I wouldn't suspect someone for this, but as far as I can tell, hewitt has made almost no mention of the me/emp/zwet thing in this game like TDC said, it seems off given the what happened with Zwet. Not to mention how I wasn't even posting for about a week before that.

Would it have killed [Sir] to scum hunt?

This is quite possibly one of the worst hammer posts I've ever seen.

Agreed. Sir comes out of nowhere without really scumhunting at all and pretty much just hammers because they're both at L-1.

Wow, this must have been the largest D1 ever on MS history.

I actually replaced out of a game that had a 50 pages Day 1. They caught scum the first 2 days and got the 3rd scum on the 4th day.

OK.

I'm seriously lost.

But I'm for a Zwet lynch.
...avenge Grimmy.

You're lost? The Day just started and the last time you posted it included a horrible unreasoned hammer, so I don't see how you could be lost. Nice excuse though.

At least we don't have to worry about Grimmy. I'm surprised scum actually killed him. A lurker that doesn't provide much content would seem like the kind of player that scum would want alive. I'm for a Zwet lynch though.

[Sironigous]

You're lost? The Day just started and the last time you posted it included a horrible unreasoned hammer, so I don't see how you could be lost. Nice excuse though.

hey! you were part of the hammer too!

Grimmy NK puzzles me.

But, he was attacking Zwet, so I'll figure the "kill a scum attacker" NK.

[dejkha]

I was part of group that voted to lynch him. You're the one that hammered and you did so in a very scummy way.

[zwetschenwasser]

Sironigous, was grimmy being helpful?

[ThAdmiral]

Grimmy NK puzzles me.

But, he was attacking Zwet, so I'll figure the "kill a scum attacker" NK.

Or it could be a set up. It's not all that useful talking about the nk.

I want to hear more from tdc given that he's the only one I trust.

would be happy with:
shinnen lynch
zwet lynch
siro lynch

in that order

[TDC]

Why do you prefer shin to zwet?

--

Quite frankly, if zwet isn't scum he's the worst townie I've ever seen.
If Siro isn't scum with zwet, that's the worst hammer I've ever seen (it literally screams "Oh crap, can't have my buddy lynched! I'll invent some bogus reason for voting Emp like that I have no read on the zwet-voters and good feelings about the emp-voters before someone from the emp wagon changes his mind.").

Shinnen's refusal to even discuss zwet yesterday is up there, too. And apparently, she's not interested in doing it today, either.
hewitt/kmd is an outside bet on zwet's partner (see: replacement request).


Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive. Similarly what would shin's motive be?

This game would make no sense at all.

[zwetschenwasser]

I find Sironigous's hammer post exceptionally scummy.

Unvote; Vote: Sironigous

[Sironigous]

Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive.

Hey let's find out.

Vote: Zwet

[zwetschenwasser]

Wow. I rest my case

[ThAdmiral]

@ tdc: you're right. It does all revolve around zwet.

vote: zwet

[TDC]

Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive.

Hey let's find out.

Vote: Zwet

Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive.

Hey let's find out.

Vote: Zwet

What. So you think he's going to be town and hence your hammer is going to be less bad and that's why you vote him?

[TDC]

Meh, copy-pasted the quote into the wrong window.

First quote should've been:

I find Sironigous's hammer post exceptionally scummy.

Unvote; Vote: Sironigous

How so?
I mean I agree that hammering you instead of Emp would've made so much more sense, but I wouldn't expect you to agree.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, gotta start somewhere. Could someone summarize major events for me?

How about some mislynch analysis:

Current Vote Count:

Empking -5- (Shinnen_no_Me, hewitt, dejkha, zwetchenwasser, Sironigous)

Zwetchenwasser -4- (TDC, Grimmy, Empking,ThAdmiral )

Shin-

I fail to see how that can be anti-town. What's important is the reaction, not the vote itself.

Early disagreement.

I fail to see your logic.

More disagreeing.

If you read well, I'm not threathen him for anything. In fact, I told him that I understand his position against policy lynches because I'm usually against them too. I'm wondering why he's defending you so much.

Noting the stance of being against policy lynches because I know Empking is a common policy lynch target and was lynched Day 1.

I'd like to say so. If I made a petition to ban Empking, I wonder how many people would sign it... lol.

I would.

Noting this as well.

Any roads, I've played a game before with Emp (just got lynched in that game), and I agree that he was acting stubborn. Any roads, that attitude of him make him a good lynch in whatever game he is.

Now we notice a pro-policy lynch stance on Emp. Ok.

Oh, please! Can you end that discussion? It's not going anywhere! I agree with hewitt, random voting is not necessary, and Emp suggested that it was some kind of ritual all townies must do in other to prove that they're not scum early in the game. Get over it, Emp, and let us play the game, you scum.

Unvote

Vote: Emp

For thinking that everything is a scumtell.

Now this looks like frustration with Emp. Genuine frustration. Shin's vote on Emp looks like a town vote.

Hewitt-

And Empking's reaction tells me that he's not in this game. His head is not in this specific game. He's playing a by-the-book gamestyle that doesn't meet the expectations for a Mafia player to adapt to game situations and play situationally. Unfortunately this is how he plays in every game so I don't really know what to say for him in this specific game other than the fact he's being "normal".

Sounds like hewitt regardless of alignment..

Here's my dilemma, I'm really concerned about keeping Empking along because it may be detrimental in the end however...the shot that he's scum is basically 22%. So it's risky in the fact that lynching him will probably be lynching a townie but if he is scum then that's perfect and if he's town at least we won't be worried about getting stuck at a horrible position later in the game with him.

Seems like you have the same risk on any player, but I normally disagree with Hewitt anyway.

Dejkha your footnote bothers me, a lot. The lynch Empking in all games thing. I don't think you have your head in this specific game, you have to play by game not by a silly "rule" that you've set yourself out to follow by trying to lynch Empking in every game. It's distracting to the rest of the town because it allows scum to lurk underneath all the Empking discussion. I know I haven't been quite so helpful myself in getting the attention away from Empking but it's a little detrimental at this point.

Ok, so he doesn't like Dej's sig. Dej's sig is pro-policy lynch on Emp. So this should be an anti-policy lynch stance.

To answer your question Empking...are you kidding? Everybody knew that was active lurking and nothing but fluff. I'm pretty sure nobody thought that was a post useful to the game.

I disagree about posting legit reasons for suspicions being useless, but it's a real argument that he is using.

Okay I have a question, Empking what do you honestly think you're accomplishing by posting active lurking all the time?

legit question.

I'm noticing the same frustrated Hewitt I usually see in games with Emp. I'll look at his vote and move on to the next player.

Alright well I'd have to say that I'd agree an Empking D1 lynch would be most helpful to the town for D2.

Vote: Empking

Hmm. This actually looks suspicious.

Dej-

I won't get any info. He lynches Emp for fun.

Zwet-

Empking deals in absolutes.

True statement.

Unvote; Vote: Empking

You made me read a freaking page of crap discussion.

Wait. You mention Emp (by name, so I could be wrong) twice all game before this and put him at L-1 for

this reason

. Listing Zwet's vote as suspicious.

Sir-

I've never played a game with Empking before. lol.

Does he always act the same?

Looks more likely to excuse scummy actions as town than to policy lynch based on this post.

So...

Are we basing lynches off of personal grudges/previous game experience/abnormal playing styles?

I mean, he may not be HELPFUL... but he's kinda just there... (semi-offtopic: lol appendix.. appendicitis is bad though)

I restate, I've never played a game with Empking before.

If I counted correctly, Empking is at L-2 now, right?

Seems to be against the lynch.

But hey - Dejhka and Hewitt aren't random votes. I can tell Zwet is fed up with him too.
Dejh - Policy lynch/uselessness
Hewitt - kinda reasoning
Zwet - uselessness

But I'm not really ready to put him on L-1 yet.
... Uh...

Two HoS's and a foot: Empking

Well, I guess try to defend yourself. I mean, everyone else has a point about you wanting to confuse the town.
However, I guess I'm not completely convinced to put you on L-1 yet for another mafia member to swoop in and kill you if you're town.

I guess the combination of non-random voting and irritation could make Empking a decent Day 1 lynch.

Now some suspicion, but discomfort with L-1. If Emp was scum, I'd have seen this as a post coming from a scumbuddy. He was town though.

Still noting the suspicion as suspicion picks up and the lack of vote to go with it.

Also says Emp would be a decent lynch. But still no vote.

Sir: What did I do that was scummy?

To be honest the only thing is just irritation.


So catching up at the posts I missed....

I find the main reason Empking is scummy because of..
uselessness
confusion
irritation.

I guess the only way to confirm Empking as a town is with a cop, which we don't have. lol.

But... I'd say keep him... at least for now.
None of his actions (right now) hurt the town.

If you guys really want to policy lynch him Day 1, go ahead.

Just don't expect me to be a part of it.

Like stated earlier, anyone can use "uselessness" as a scum tell. Lynching Empking really doesn't help the town at all, unless he turns out scum.

Empking, I know you think Dej is lurking and that people think you're useless/annoying/.......

You also think that everyone on your bandwagon isn't helping town and you think that you're helping town.

So, even though the majority of the game is anti-Empking right now, why do you think that you're the only one helping town? We know there are only 2 mafia.

Also, do you think that if you were lynched the town would be in much worse condition?

Feel free to N/A any of the questions if you feel the town would be worse off answering.

So now he's testing the waters on an Emp lynch. Ok.

So Sirongous, what do you think of the other players individually now that you've voiced your opinion on Empking?

Well.

To be honest, I have nothing on everyone else.

Why?

Everyone on the Empking wagon basically has the same reason for being so.
Everyone else not on the Empking wagon has the same opinion as I - Empking isn't worth the lynch - or is semi-inactive.

No stance on other players?!?

I call the Empking case ridiculous led by scum. I'm not going to waste a day lynching someone on policy lynches, and I already spoke out against that. If you want, I could just quote myself over and over. Would that be better?

Ok, possibly right. Scum love players like Emp because they are easy to lynch. Also, anti-policy lynch stance.

Vote: Empking

... Yup.

My vote is staying here now...

Empking, I seriously believe you're panicking.

Voting for "panicking"??? Was this not the hammer???

Oh, ok. This was:

OK seriously? 2 people on L-1?...

Ridiculous...

Empking
-1 Zwet

Grimmy
-1 Zwet

Zwetchenwasser
-1 Emp

ThAdmiral
-1 Zwet

Shinnen_no_Me
-1 Emp

dejkha
-1 Emp
+1 Zwet

TDC
-1 Zwet
+1 Emp

hewitt
-1 Emp

You know what.

Scum have to be on either of these wagons somewhere.

Vote: Empking

Siro's thoughts

Grimmy - T
TDC - ?
ThAd - ?
Empking - ?
Hewitt - T
Zwet - ?
Dej - T
Shin - T

More ?'s are on Zwet's lynch...

This is actually a decent vote.

------------------------------------------------

Scummiest players regarding their Emp votes are at the top. Towniest at the bottom:

Sir
Zwet
Dej
Hewitt
Shin

Shit, is that reverse order they voted? *checks* Yeah. Well anyway, that's my thoughts.

I'd have to look closer at Sir and Zwet's other posts before I vote either of them. But they are my biggest suspects right now.