Mini 758 - Normalcy (GAME OVER)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Well, I wasn't expecting a complete volte-face on his part, certainly.
Apparently my refusal to vig on the grounds that it could completely fuck us over isn't good enough. He suddenly "sees" this connection between me and RBT that somehow makes us both scum (COurtesy of Benmage, much?)

Vote: Kieraen

because frankly, you've done nothing there that convinces me you're anything but scum trying to use any potential wagon to get out of being lynched.

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The Votecount

Kieraen (3) - dejkha, Atronoch, Knight of Cydonia
Knight of Cydonia (3) - EmpTyger, Benmage, Kieraen

Riceballtail (1) - Lowell
Benmage (1) - Riceballtail

Not Voting (1):

Caboose

5 to lynch

[Lowell]

@KoC- to answer your question, I don't think there's anything that would make me believe RBTs claim. It isn't going to change.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You see, this is what makes me uncomfortable. There should always be something other than a lynch that'd convince you of someone's innocence, and I find it scummy that your attitude seems to be "I'll only believe it if we lynch her and she flips it."

[Kieraen]

So what's the difference between Lowell's atitude to RBT and your attitude to me KoC?

[Knight of Cydonia]

You could have proven yourself innocent - or at least convinced me there were others worth lynching more than you right now. Lowell admits that there is no way to change his mind about RBT, and that worries me, because I know RBT is innocent, and I'd rather not lynch her to prove it.

[Kieraen]

We could lynch you to prove it

[Knight of Cydonia]

You could. But you won't.

[Kieraen]

Let’s assess something real quick

Caboose –Cop claim –says Plum is town(turns out right) (believe this)

I also believe this, and as its the first it makes implies that the others all have one shot as well. This may not be the case

RBT –Claims doc uses on Emp..still a sour feeling on this from me.

I agree. A Doc claim might fit with her posting style this game, but really I think her absolute lack of content contribution implies poor play or scumminess (or in my opinion both).

Atr –no claim

Kierean –Claims VT, eh

I stand by it

Lowell—claims tracker, tracks Kierean..hard to tell

Its true its true!

Dejkha –no claim

KoC—jack claim. Makes him and RBT aligned

Don't believe this.

Emp –no claim

Me –no claim

Well I’m not scum, so that would leave 3 ‘no claimers’ scum. I doubt that Atr Dej and Emp are the three scum people. Therefore I believe someones claim to be false.

Maybe we should all claim? Thoughts? ….I’m willing.

So that makes either a) a Lowell and Kieraen aligned team
b)Lowell tracked kieraen who didn't do anything last night
c) lowell following a townie who is likely to be lynched and 'prove' his innocence

and with the KoC RBT claim
a)True true
JoaT investigated one shot doc, doc wasted power (or claimed it) on Emptiger.

b) RBT is lying JoaT KoC got false claim

c)KoC is lying and RBT is town


Knowing my alignment obviously, then I am inclined to believe Lowell's one claim ability. I think theres probably going to be a few.

I could believe that KoC and RBT have the powers they claim if it were not for the general scummy play by both of them through the game, particularly RBT's lack of posting useless content, and also I don't believe her claim when she states she protected Emptiger already.

It could be a case that RBT is lying to protect herself and her abilities for another night. It would make sense to believe this, and I'm semi inclined to believe this, excepting that I don't think her play has been strong enough in this game to merit such an assumption.

KoC' claim felt more like an excuse than a reason. Particularly his claim of having 'one more ability to use' and 'refusing to kill someone' which would be our only genuine proof.

Alt and Benmage strike me as townie though I would prefer a read through. certainly I don't consider them strong bandwagons before tomorrow.

emp and Dejkha I'm not so sure about. I really want to reread them, however day ends tomorrow so I don't advocate a bandwagon against either, particularly as we have löittle to go on.


I see our current contenders as Lowell, KoC, Kieraen and RBT.

I would prefer a KoC or RBT lynch.

Tomorow is deadline, so I would advocate speed!

[Kieraen]

Its just struck me. Caboose claimed Plum was town, We seem to have forgotten about his claim. Werll mafia decided o kill plum making it clear Caboose was telling the truth.

Was he teling the trueth because he was cop or mafia?

His timing was strange as he claimed it at day break, rather than hold it back til Plum was at a point of near lynch. Why plum anyway? He seemed townie to me. Probably the most townie at that point.

Wanna review that as well.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Kieraen - it's worse to go to deadline with no-lynch than a townie lynch, according to you. So, if it comes to it, do you intend to hammer yourself? Hmmm? Or is it different because it's you, and not RBT?

[Atronach]

Deadline is not tomorrow K, it is Wednesday. We still have not gotten anything further from dejkha and Caboose is still MIA. We really need a vote from Caboose here I think.

[Benmage]

We are at an unfortunate standstill without further input by Caboose, Dej...and Lowell

[Kieraen]

yep I'd self hammer if thats what the town wants.
At the end of the day by being lynched I will be able to prove my towniness, and perhaps cast a light on a few other players as well. But I don't know the maths behind that action. Could we lose tomorrow if I do this?

Is it in the rules? I'm still (relatively) new at this. Is it considered bad form to do so, or is that onbly in Newbie games?

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's bad form in newbie games, generally considered against the rules as an IC in a newbie game, and looked down on in all games.
Right now we have 9 alive. Taking typical normal setup as a starting point, we probably have 3 scum.

Kieraen as scum:
6 town/2 scum @ end of day.
5 town/2 scum @ start of next day, unless I block the nightkill.

Kieraen as town:
5 town/3 scum @ end of day
4 town/3 scum @ start of next day, unless I block nightkill.

Kieraen, if you are town, for the love of God, don't self-hammer, or we'll be relying on my questionable ability to outguess scum to stop us from going into LyLo tomorrow.
If you're scum, which I find more likely, by all means self-hammer.

[Kieraen]

Okay thats clear then. Heres a nice bit of WIFOM then. I'm not gonna hammer.

Before you argue the toss on that point, yesterday when I advocated was a different day, and woulnd't have put us in Lylo. It was earlier and at a point where more info was the priority (as well as catching scum).

There is no contradiction here.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Before you argue the toss on that point, yesterday when I advocated was a different day, and woulnd't have put us in Lylo.

Yes it would. As I've been saying all day. YES IT WOULD.

Alright, someone wake up and hammer him now, since he won't. Call his WIFOM.

[Riceballtail]

Benmage tomorrow I guess.

UNVOTE;VOTE:Kieraen

[Kieraen]

That leaves Lowell and Caboose.

I have 4 votes and KoC has three.

It would be good if we actualy lynched someone today, if not for anything just so we can see some voting patterns and eliminate some groups.

I think we should look at the hammerer tomorrow, and anyone who changes votes at this point. Not saying they are neccessarily scummy, but I think it could be a big revelation towards their affiliation.

[Kieraen]

1)

Alright, someone wake up and hammer him now, since he won't. Call his WIFOM.

Kieraen, if you are town, for the love of God, don't self-hammer, or we'll be relying on my questionable ability to outguess scum to stop us from going into LyLo tomorrow.

Reason I as to why I am not self voting.

You are setting me in a trap. You want me to self vote like I claimed I would have yesterday (when the situation was different) but tell me to not self vote if I am town.

You then keep reminding people I am not self voting.


2)You also kindly

Kieraen as scum:
6 town/2 scum @ end of day.
5 town/2 scum @ start of next day, unless I block the nightkill.

Kieraen as town:
5 town/3 scum @ end of day
4 town/3 scum @ start of next day, unless I block nightkill.

remind us of your night powers. Your not exactly keeping it secret, especialy as our doc (whom you have claimed to have already investigated) has claimed to have used her powers already.

3) Finally, the question remains of seeing some alignments and groups, which will be serviced by someone hammering me (or possibly you). We have a far better chance of finding the scummy groups when we can see who has voted me.


Onto RBT
1) It has been implied by emptiger that RBT's play was that of a doc and he saw this already. She also claims doc. She has stayed out the limelight and has not made any particular cases against players, just votes and a few lines of fill.
a) if she has used her one shot ability, as she has claimed against Emp, why does she continue to refuse to contribute meaningful discussion?
b) she still hasn't used her ability and is staying out the limelight. However this policy is clearly not working, as other players beside myself have called her on her lack of contribution.
c) she is lurker mafia scum.

2)I am definitely able to see an EMP-RBT scum team, and also an RBT-KoC scum team. However all three is questionable due to EMP's current vote on KoC.
a)EMP-RBT both pushing the doc claim made by her. RBT protecting EMP (or claiming it).
b)RBT being 'checked' by JoaT KoC.


Caboose
1) been seriously silent. Lurker or flarker?
2) initiated the whole 'one shot claim'. Wondering if other power roles are using 'one shot' as protection from mafia?
3) claimed Plum was town which was blindingly obvious, and so conveniently proved by the mafia the following day (bit strange as we could have kept guessing for a day or two if plum was still alive).

Those are my top three suspects.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Caboose is getting modkilled at the end of the day, IIRC, so we'll know if he really was a cop tomorrow.

[Benmage]

This game is starting to suck. You'd think a quick deadline game would involve fast pace active players. This is just frustrating, and not very fun any more.

Benmage tomorrow I guess.

UNVOTE;VOTE:Kieraen

Geeze... You're so bad. If by some way all the moons in the universe align and you aren't scum you've cost the game with your terrible play/misreads.

But you and KoC are scum...at least he's trying to hide it with some sense of productivity and logic of late.

[Kieraen]

I like KoC's game to be honest. I just think he's scum and he's playing with a few flaws.

What happened to Emp, and Dejkha?


If Caboose is killed and he is not a one shot cop. Then I would begin to doubt pretty much all the one shot claimers. I would imgine they either fall into:
a) scum
b) powerroles hiding under the guise of one shotters.

[Caboose]

From the no vote yesterday, EmpTyger's chance of being scum gets close to 100% if RBT flips scum.

Current suspect list. KoC, RBT, Lowell, Dejkha and emptiger. My vote might dance around these guys today, I'm fairly sure at least two of them are scum.

Current suspect list. KoC, RBT, Lowell, Dejkha and emptiger. My vote might dance around these guys today,

it depends on who's closest to the lynch near deadline.

I'm fairly sure at least two of them

can be mislynched.

+scumpoints for K

I love the immediately OMGUS from K onto KoC.

[Caboose]

More later tonight.

[dejkha]

Mod and Everyone else

: I haven't had an internet connection since Friday, so that's why I haven't posted (after that point anyway), and I just got it back. I'll try to get a post in before the deadline, but I wanted to ask the Mod if it would be a problem to push the deadline back another day or 2?

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This Votecount

Kieraen (4) - dejkha, Atronoch, Knight of Cydonia, Riceballtail

Knight of Cydonia (3) - EmpTyger, Benmage, Kieraen

Riceballtail (1) - Lowell

Not Voting (1):

Caboose

5 to lynch

Notes

• One post, no matter how insubstantial, is all that is required to avoid a modkill.
• I am initially opposed to extensions, this is a "swift" game, after all.