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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:35 pm

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Sorry, it's just you and Kieraen are singing from such a
completely freaking identical in every other aspect
songbook it's easy to get you mixed up.
It feels like a drive on a quick-wagon for not hammering RBT was supposed to be led by Kieraen, but has failed and now suddenly his scum-buddies are lining up to try and re-start it rolling.



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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:07 am

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:
If you notice Dejkha and KoC leave their votes on Kierean both ensuring RBT’s survival.
If we were scum, we'd have voted RBT, who you (and I) believe to be town, said today "better than no lynch, right?", and we'd be in LyLo today. Not lynching someone you believe to be town = town move. Not voting someone to lynch them and put the town into LyLo today = town move. So why do all the cases against me seem to based on me doing something which was inherently a townie action, by giving us an extra day of scumhunting?
I don't agree with this. If you have some information such that you
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RBT is town, then do tell. Otherwise it's speculation, and a lynch is better than no lynch.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:19 am

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Saying "A lynch is better than no lynch" is fine, but would you honestly have let it go if I said "I think RBT is town, but I'll hammer anyway!" and she'd flipped according to her claim, as I expect her to? No. I'm being portrayed in a lose-lose way here - for sticking with my belief that RBT is town, I'm scummy for not lynching someone. If I'd lynched RBT and she'd flipped town as I expect her to if she is ever lynched, I'd be being attacked for hammering someone I had stated I thought was town.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:05 am

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But she did nothing pro town all game!

If you are a Mason with her then I understand. In fact that is the only logical explanation I can find that doesn't imply your scum buddies.

She was a suspect. Enough other players seemed to think so. Why is she so special to you that you wouldn't lynch.

Its pretty well established from the players I have played alongside that a No lynch is a pretty anti town weapon and doesn't help town at all.

Please show us evidence KoC why you believe RBT to be town.
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:14 am

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Kieraen:
You’re doing an astonishingly good job of arguing that I made a mistake in thinking you innocent yesterday.



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Once more. If Kieraen was your second-highest suspect after RBT, why didn’t you say anything about this D2?



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Atronach [314] wrote:<snip>
However tonight, I will post some analysis on dejkha per request, and on Kieraen.

What happened to the Kieraen analysis?



dejkha:
Who do you think is mafia with Kieraen?
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:23 am

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Its pretty well established from the players I have played alongside that a No lynch is a pretty anti town weapon and doesn't help town at all.
How many times do I have to tell you - WE'D BE IN LYLO TODAY IF WE'D LYNCHED RBT.

To answer your other question:
I know we'd be in LyLo because I'm a Jack-Of-All-Trades: I have to choose between two out of 1 investigation(Cop), 1 protection(Doctor), 1 vig kill(Vigilante), and 1 hide(as a Hider) with another player. I investigated RBT, because I have to admit she worried me earlier on as well, and she came up town.
Now before anyone even considers asking - I have no intention of using my vigilante shot instead of protecting someone. The only reason I didn't use my doctor last night is because I didn't want to waste my last ability trying to out-WIFOM the scum as to who they'd kill.

I had
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:37 am

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That merits a reread and a vote.
Vote: Knight of Cydonia
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:10 am

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How about a re-read, then a vote? *sigh* The scum in this game are so achingly obvious it really hurts me. "Oh look, here's a role that could make life harder for us! VOTE NAOW!" Lets see if the re-read ever happens, and if it makes any attempt whatsoever at a balanced conclusion rather than just "KOC MUST DIE"
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:21 am

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I'm a bit thrown by your jack of all trades case. It fits, and I'm more than tempted to believe both yourself and Lowell.

I'm starting to get tempted by an Emptiger lynch. He's jumped on an attack of KoC just when he actualy has given us some info. He votes first rereads later... Strike while the irons hot? Keep pressure up?

Added to that he didn't vote yesterday he seems pretty quick to vote now.

For now I'm going to give KoC the benefit of the doubt. I'm not wholely satisfied with his claim, baring in mind that all the other roles have been one shots, and he has a 'two shot' (guaranteeing saftey tomorrow).

hmm... not sure whether I'm more suspicious of KoC (and thus RBT) or Emptiger. However, I really dislike Emptigers response, and it isn't the first problem I have had with him.

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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:40 am

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Cute. But my reread isn’t to check on KoC. It’s to check about KoC’s 2 partners.

I do love how to Kieraen, it’s suspicious to not vote for players I think are town, and it’s suspicious to vote for players I think are mafia.
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:43 am

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So your catergorically saying you do not believe his role?

He is the most supicious to you and now your looking for buddies right?

Can I ask why you disregard his claim?
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:03 am

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Knight of Cydonia wrote: The scum in this game are so achingly obvious it really hurts me. "
Oh yeah..whose your 3 candidates?
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:42 am

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KoC-Caboose:
I don’t see anyway of Caboose being guilty with KoC.

KoC-RBT:
I read RBT as doctor from the getgo, and, forgive me, but I’m having a hard time seeing RBT as a good enough player to pull this off. KoC’s behavior, however, makes much more sense as shameless buddying up to an innocent. Which makes me really not like RBT’s attackers- if KoC is defending RBT this heavily, there’s got to be some mafia attacking him just as heavily.

KoC-Lowell
I can see Lowell as mafia with KoC. He attacks minorly, but never with any weight. And whenever real attention comes, KoC insists that Lowell is a bad bandwagon.

KoC-Kieraen
I can’t take this interaction seriously.
Kieraen: “I’m going to launch a bad attack on KoC!”
Rest of town: “Kieraen is wrong”
KoC: “Oh poor me, I didn’t want to do this, but I’m forced to make a claim”
Kieraen “Why look at that claim. KoC is innocent.”
KoC & Kieraen: “Let’s attack EmpTyger!”

Kieraen’s play today has utterly erased the protown feeling I got yesterday.

KoC-dejkha:
I’ve got a lot of lingering nervousness here, but that’s mostly because of dejkha. Especially if there’s a {KoC, Lowell} mafia, because then his lurking through Spyre/Caboose and RBT/Kieraen is very suspicious.

KoC-Atronach:
Likewise, if there’s a a {KoC, Kieraen} mafia, because of [314]. But not much conclusive here.

KoC-Benmage:
At the end of D2, he accuses KoC about allowing a no-lynch- but switches overnight off KoC to me for some conveniently absent reasoning. But nothing much conclusive here either.
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:58 am

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Why do you not believe the claim Emp? Why do you now definitly think that KoC is scum?

What makes you now see me as anti town?

I can believe a KoC claim to be false but if I do I don't see him buddying a townie, I would say that RBT would also be mafia as there was an easy lynch possibility yesterday on her.

KoC didn't say anything unreasonable. You voted without any explanation of reason, and have still refused any.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:38 pm

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So everyone except Caboose and RBT are probably scum with me.
I think we'll put that down as a no to "a balanced conclusion", then.



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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:26 pm

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As it sits, Caboose will be
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at the end of the <game> day (by vote or deadline) if he fails to post by that time. Caboose will be sent this message by PM, in lieu of a prod.
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:05 pm

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Benmage wrote:
Knight of Cydonia wrote: The scum in this game are so achingly obvious it really hurts me. "
Oh yeah..whose your 3 candidates?
Kieraen, who is bussing EmpTyger, who is bussing lurker-scum Atronach.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:29 pm

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Knight of Cydonia wrote: The scum in this game are so achingly obvious it really hurts me. "
Oh yeah..whose your 3 candidates?
Kieraen, who is bussing EmpTyger, who is bussing lurker-scum Atronach.
I actually do like this conclusion.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:32 pm

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KoC:
Atronach? That’s an interesting choice. Why don’t you tell us more about why Atronach is guilty.



Kieraen:
You’re actually panicking over my voting KoC.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:49 pm

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I'm not, I just want your reasons. I don't trust you anymore than KoC.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:50 pm

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RBT and KoC... best friends? You seem to agree on just about everything.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:03 am

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Atronach has been sitting in the background all day, getting away with posting little new content, and doing nothing but stirring arguments up, then watching them go on before jumping back in.
His last post also worried me, because he picked out 3 people doing
exactly
what he's done, and said they should either give us more content, or be lynched, because, in his words "More than likely, we turn up scum amongst them". More than likely isn't really good enough justification for a lurker purge, especially considering that I know one of his 3 "lynch candidates" is innocent.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:20 am

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Back from V/LA. Will catch up.
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:47 am

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KoC: It is a misrep of my posts to say I am stirring up argument or sitting in the background. I have tried to organize town today. I have posted much more, and with much more content than any of the people I mentioned. To say otherwise is blatantly and verifiably false.
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To Emptyger: Kieraen analysis is on it's way. Had to run back from KC, post coming tonight. And KoC because of the unprompted claim and his recent seeming desperation.
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:16 am

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Oh, what a surprise, I have an innocent on someone, therefore I want to prevent them from being wrongly lynched. I'd hardly say I'm desperate, I'm just trying to make a point which is being ignored.
The current argument from people like Lowell, Kieraen and EmpTyger seems to be that I should have hammered RBT despite having an innocent result on her, because "mis-lynch is better than no-lynch". Mis-lynch, as I have repeatedly stated, was worse that no-lynch yesterday, because if we'd lynched RBT, we'd be in LyLo today.
Atronach - how are you "organising the town" today? You've made a comment about how "this day shouldn't become a Kieraen-KoC fight", and promised some analysis. That's it.

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