Mini 167 - Les Miserables Mafia. Game over!


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Mini 167 - Les Miserables Mafia. Game over!

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:27 am

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Game over!


Look down and see the beggars at your feet
Look down and show some mercy if you can
Look down and see the sweepings of the street
Look down, look down,
Upon your fellow man!


The year is 1832. The streets of Paris have been rife with dissent in recent years, as the Government only seem to care abut the bourgoisie and not the common man. There's a revolution in the works, and the various scum of the streets are treating this as a prime opportunity to steal, murder, plunder, and otherwise break the law for their own, unsavoury means...

Players alive:

gootentag

Players dead, ill, maimed, on the run or otherwise incarcerated:

Seol (Grantaire, townie) - Sliced open night 1.
Emptyger (Thenardier, mafia) - Lynched day 1.
vikingfan (Marius, mason) - Shot in the head night 2.
LoudmouthLee (Cosette, self-protecting townie) - Comitted suicide night 2.
Changling Bob (Enjolras, recruiting mason) - Lynched day 2.
Mr Stoofer (Eponine, doctor) - Stabbed night 3.
LordKrishna (Javert, police officer) - Lynched say 3.
MeMe (Jean Valjean, infuential townie) - Killed in endgame.
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:30 am

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Rules (stolen of course)

- Remember, it’s a game. It’s supposed to be played. It’s supposed to be fun. Do your part.
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Votes must be in bold. If you do not bold your vote, it will not be counted.

- Please be attentive and unvote, if necessary, before casting a new vote. This is not required, but I’d appreciate it.
- Executions will require a simple majority of votes.
Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded.
You may vote: no lynch – majority votes of this kind are necessary to end the day without a death.
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The game is not to be discussed outside of the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so.

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once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing.

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Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts.

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Don’t quote any PMs from me.

- If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made.
- If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, please
post a notice to that effect in the thread.
Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

And lastly, remember, this game's supposed to be fun! Don't let yourself get too worked up over it, don't build up grudges, don't try to bend the rules in an attempt to win... Just enjoy the game!
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:37 am

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It is currently
Night 1.


Everyone who has night choices, please get them to me ASAP. Night 2 will end
72 hours (ish) from this post
; that is, about 2:30 pm Saturday 12th, GMT.
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Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:01 am

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It's just another day in 1832 Paris. You all stumble out of whatever you use as beds, blearily hoping that all your friends and family are still awake. Suddenly, one of you notices that the streets are quieter than normal. After pondering the resons for several minutes, you realise what's missing - the loud, drunken soliloquies emanating from the vocal cords of Seol. In the heavy silence, you instead hear his voice, feeble and week.

"Drink with me... To days... gone by.
Can it be... you fear to die?
Will the world remember you... when you fall?
Could it be your death means... nothing at all?
Is your life... just one... more..."

And then silence.

You hurry along to his favourite bar, the ABC Cafe, and your suspicions are confirmed - he's lying in the corner. To begin with you just assume that he's asleep. And that's wine on the floor. But you can't fool yourself for long, and you tentatively roll him over to find a huge wound in his stomach. You aren't used to this kind of violence in this part of town, and decide to sort out the problem once and for all. It's well known that two wrongs don't make a right, so you decide instead that a
majority
of wrongs will make a right.


Seol (Grantaire, townie) is dead


It is
Day 1. 8 people live; 5 to lynch.
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Post Post #6 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:19 am

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I don't know what you mean, Lee... :P
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Post Post #15 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:49 am

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*Sigh*

Damn my last-minute change from 12 to 9.

Yes, it's 5 to lynch, 8 alive. Sorry all.

While I'm at it,
Votecount:


Emptyger 1 – (Mr Stoofer)
Changling Bob 1 – (LoudmouthLee)
LoudmouthLee 1 – (Emptyger)
Gootentag 1 – (MeMe)
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Post Post #30 (isolation #6) » Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:23 am

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A mysterious man, calling himself Victor Hugo, stands up at the front of the crowd. It seems he’s been keeping track of who’s voting for who. He utters the following:


EmpTyger
- 2 (Mr Stoofer, LoudmouthLee)
Gootentag - 1 (MeMe)
MeMe - 1 (vikingfan)
Changling Bob - 1 (Emptyger)

8 alive, 5 to lynch

Don’t ask how he managed to speak in bold type.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:46 am

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Mr Stoofer: Here are the links I provided, to a plot summary and a list of characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Miserables
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/Lit ... Num-5.html
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Post Post #58 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:28 am

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Monsieur Hugo rises to the soapbox once more, checking his memory of events is correct for the novelization he’s planning. He informs the town that the voting is as follows:

EmpTyger
- 2 (Mr Stoofer, LoudmouthLee)
Gootentag - 1 (MeMe)
MeMe - 1 (vikingfan)
LoudmouthLee – 1 (Emptyger)

8 alive, 5 to lynch

He also politely informs Mr Stoofer that pre-emptive votes like that don't count, especially if he's already voting for someone.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:14 am

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I should mention now that, as no-one specifically asked for the unusual rule, I chose not to use it. All the rules of the game, save any based on roles, have been explicitly or implicitly mentioned in the first post. The reason for non-typeface is simply to do with the method I used for votecounting, and has no game status.

I have edited the votecount to reflect this.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:39 am

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I'm busy this weekend, but Saturday evening I will be sending modprods to EVERYONE who has not posted since Thursday. I don't want this game to die. I will start looking for replacements, if necessary, Monday evening.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:22 pm

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Just a quick note that I have prodded multiple players due to not posting for a while. If necessary, replacements will be sought out in a couple days.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:00 pm

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Monsieur Hugo notices his name called, and steps forward to deliver his beliefs regarding the difficult choice ahead:


EmpTyger - 1 (vikingfan)
Gootentag - 1 (MeMe)
LoudmouthLee – 1 (Emptyger)
Changling Bob – 1 (LoudmouthLee)

Not voting: Changling Bob, Gootentag, LordKrishna, Mr Stoofer.

8 alive, 5 to lynch.

There’s no impending need for a deadline. However, if discussion slacks again I will impose one.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:20 am

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Noting that the crowd seemed to be milling around, Monsieur Hugo gets to his feet. Just as he clears his throat, LordKrishna takes his arm and whispers something in his ear. Noting the change, the venerable writer-to-be stands and announces the current vote totals.


EmpTyger - 1 (vikingfan)
Gootentag
- 2 (MeMe, LoudmouthLee)

Not voting: Changling Bob, Gootentag, LordKrishna, Mr Stoofer, Emptyger.

8 alive, 5 to lynch.

He then reminds the town that he is fallible, and would appreciate their help in correcting him should he turn out to be incorrect about the voting to date.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:44 am

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Monsieur Hugo stands up, noticing that the crowd seems to have finally found something to talk about. He deems it appropriate to explain the current situation, in temrs of a vote count:


LoudmouthLee
- 2 (Emptyger, MeMe)
Vikingfan - 1 (LoudmouthLee)

Not voting: Changling Bob, Gootentag, LordKrishna, Mr Stoofer, vikingfan.

8 alive, 5 to lynch.

He reminds people to inform him of any mistakes he has made, then quietly sits back down, not wishing to disturb the flow of conversation too strongly.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:57 am

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I'm afraid the day seems to be moving verrry slowly. Therefore, I'm going to have to put a provisional deadline on.


Provisional deadline: 72 hours from now (4 pm Wednesday GMT)


If conversation picks up, I may retract this. I don't want this game to die.
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Post Post #216 (isolation #16) » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:59 pm

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Shortly after Monsieur Hugo announced that, due to the quietness, he would simply take popular opinion and enforce it with his sabre in half an hour, discussion in the town swells appreciably. It's almost like people didn't want to cause the death of someone based on three people's say-so!


Votecount:


LoudmouthLee - 1 (Changling Bob)
Emptyger
- 4 (LoudmouthLee, MeMe, vikingfan, Mr Stoofer)
MeMe - 1 (Emptyger)

8 alive, 5 to lynch. As always, alert me if there is an error - preferably by PM.

Regarding the deadline: If, by 4pm GMT Wednesday, I feel there has been an appropriate amount of discussion, the deadline will be rescinded. Otherwise, half the regular number of voters will be required to lynch. It's as simple as that. And may I just say, if you continue the way you have been it will be removed.

Regarding role knowledge: I will state a simplified version of the role. I will not state sanities, potential drawbacks or bonuses, or any interactions that may exist. But I will state what the role is, and if it has unusual abilities, I will at least hint at their existence. Seol was a townie by role - he had no abilities.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:19 pm

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Satisfied by the recent swell in conversation, Monsieur Hugo sits back down, tucking his pistol away.


Deadline rescinded.


I apologise for not coming online until now to explain this - my net access died last night, and has only come up in the last hour or so. Sorry all.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #18) » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:15 am

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Monsieur Hugo keeps careful count of the votes flying back and forth as MeMe and Emptyger stare each other in the eye. After a few minutes, MeMe sits back, triumphant. “Don’t worry, everyone”, she calls out, “He’s had the sword of Damocles over him for a while, and I just cut it.”

Confused, Emptyger looked above his head and stared into the sky, apparently not understanding the metaphor.

“I’ve had enough!” growled LordKrishna. He strode forward, taking advantage of Emptyger’s distracted state, grabbed Monsieur Hugo’s pistol and shot Emptyger dead. You walk towards him as a group – this is the first time some of you have seen death, and everyone is silent. MeMe steps forward, and tears open the corpse’s shirt. You all gasp as you see the number tattooed onto the man’s chest.

23,819. One of you recognizes the number.

“That’s the old innkeeper, Thenardier.”


Votecount as night falls:

LoudmouthLee - 1 (Changling Bob)
Emptyger - 5 (LoudmouthLee, MeMe, vikingfan, Mr Stoofer, LordKrishna)
MeMe - 1 (Emptyger)

Emptyger (Thenardier, mafia) has been lynched.


Please get night choices into me as soon as possible. I won't impose a deadline unless it's taking ages.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:26 pm

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”A heart full of love! A heart full of song!”
The sound of a man in love reaches every ear in Paris. Vikingfan, the poor, lonely language student and friend of the ABC, walks slowly forwards as he meets his love, LoudmouthLee for the first time.
“I’m doing everything all wrong. Oh god, for shame!”
Meanwhile, in the sidelines, Eponine stifles a tear as she watches the love of her life embrace the beautiful daughter of the mysterious man who lives and No. 55 Rue de Plumet.
“I do not even know your name.”
She sits back against the gate, safely hidden from view, and tears cloud her eyes as a mysterious group silently walk into the garden.
“Dear madameoiselle… Won’t you say? Will you tell?”
The leader of the group draws a pistol from his overcoat.
“A heart full of love! No fear, no regret!”
A shot rings out into the silence.
“My name… is Marius… Pont… mer… cy.”
Vikingfan slumps forward.
LoudmouthLee runs upstairs, tears flooding her eyes.
She draws a decorative dagger in her room from its sheath.
She places it on her breast.
She looks up.
“And mine’s Cosette.”
The dagger falls from her lifeless hand.


Vikingfan, Marius Pontmercy (Mason) has been shot.
LoudmouthLee, Cosette (Self-protecting townie) has killed herself from grief.


Players still alive:
Changling Bob
Mr. Stoofer
LordKrishna
Gootentag
MeMe

With five alive, it's three to lynch.

It is now day 2.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:03 am

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Monsieur hugo stands up, preparing to announce the current flow of suspicion. He pauses, frowns, counts quickly on his fingers, shrugs and sits down again.


No-one is currently voting.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #21) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:07 am

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Monsieur Hugo clears his throat pointedly, reminding everyone what they're supposed to be doing.


If conversation doesn't pick up, guys, I may well have to set a deadline. I don't want to do that again.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:37 am

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Monsieur Hugo decides that, given MeMe's sudden show of indecision, it may be worth emphasising his decision to prompt others to speak up by pointing out who feels who is suspicious, right now.


Votecount:

Changling Bob
- 1 (LordKrishna)

Not voting:
MeMe, Changling Bob, Mr Stoofer, Gootentag.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:26 am

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After Monsieur Hugo asks the town to please speak up, they decide the request should be taken as an order, and quickly decide that perhaps killing someone is a wise idea after all. Changling Bob asks the general public who would be best to lynch, and MeMe quickly pipes up that perhaps he is - after all, he had explained that he was the most persuasive of all the people there... However, his persuasive abilities are of no use to him as Mr Stoofer and MeMe grab him. They disarm him, removing the sabre in its scabbard from his waist, and ask if he had any final words.

“Vive la revolution!”

You all walk away, happy to have found the vicious leader of the revolution.



The revolution meant to bring justice and happiness to the downtrodden masses…

You realize that maybe, just maybe, Enjolras was not a bad man.


End-of-day votecount:

Changling Bob
- 3 (LordKrishna, MeMe, Mr Stoofer)

Not voting:
Changling Bob, Gootentag.

Changling Bob (Enjolras, recruiting mason) has been lynched.


Again, please get night choices in to me as soon as possible. Thanks.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #24) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:29 pm

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Guys, I'm setting a deadline for night 3. All night choices
must
be in by the deadline. If you don't want to use a night ability, please send me a PM to that effect.

Anyone with a night action which I don't recieve by the deadline will be replaced.


Deadline: Monday, 3.30 pm GMT.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #25) » Mon May 02, 2005 4:37 am

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Poor Eponine! She lost the love of her life last night… She showed him the way to his true love, despite the gut-wrenching knowledge that this meant she could never have him.

She returned to the place where he died, the night after, to mourn.

“On my own… pretending he’s beside me.
All alone, I walked with him till morning.
In the darkness, I felt his arms around me…
And when I lost my way I closed my eyes, and he had found me.”

Sobbing, she rose to leave, tears blinding her to the huddle of men following her.

“I loved him
But now the night is over
He is gone, the river’s just a river
Without him the world around me changes
The trees are bare and everywhere
The streets are full of strangers!”

Saying these words, she turned, with love, passion, and sadness filling her young heart. Gasping, she saw a flicker out of the corner of her eye…

“What have we here?”
“Who is this hussy?”

Panicking, Eponine rushed out of the garden, into the street, babbling in desperation to send the men away. They followed her, wicked grins on their faces.

“Don’t interfere
You’ve got some gall
Take care, young miss
You’ve got a lot to say!”
“Go home, ’Ponine
Go home, you’re in the way.”

Despite her fear, Eponine realised she had to do something. Out of the corner of her eye, she saw a solitary figure in the street, watching dispassionately.

“I’m gonna scream, I’m gonna warn them here.”
“Not a sound out of you!”

The man turned, and walked away, apparently uninterested in getting involved.

“Well, I told you I’d do it
Told you I’d do it…”

One of the shadowy figures lunged forward.

Eponine screamed.


The blood trickled down her front, from where her assailant had stabbed her. She slid slowly to the floor, her sudden lack of strength snapping her already-fragile mind. She smiled, seeing something that no-one else could see.

“Don’t you fret, M’sieur Marius,
I don’t feel any pain.
A little fall of rain
Can hardly hurt me now.
You’re here. That’s all I need to know.
And you will keep me safe
And you will keep me close
And rain… will make the flowers…
grow
.”


Mr Stoofer (Eponine, doctor) has been stabbed to death.


It’s now day 2. 3 alive, 2 to lynch.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #26) » Sun May 08, 2005 1:03 pm

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The three remaining men stand up, yelling at each other in increasing frustration, as Monsieur Hugo sits there, a slight smile on his face...

"This is madness! LordKrishna claims to be a man of the law, and you remember how the law has hounded you, Monsieur Valjean!" exclaims Goot. "Besides, don't you remember me... how much I helped you all those years ago?"

MeMe casts her mind back, all those years, and recalls the Bishop of Digne. For the life of her, she cannot remember his face... But she also recalls those nineteen years, a slave of the law, and her heart grows cold.

"Let's do it. Let's kill the officer."

LordKrishna's complaints and protests are drowned out as MeMe draws a knife from her sleeve, and plunges it into LK's guts. He coughs up blood, and keels over, his last words protesting his innocence.

MeMe turns around, and looks Goot in the eye.

"Looks like we're safe at last, my friend."

Goot just chuckles....

"Me, maybe."

Goot rips off his fake beard, revealing another beard underneath, and tears off his long, flowing robe, revealing a rather unflattering skirt and apron.

"What? Madame Thenardier!"

"That's right!" chuckles the large, scarily masculine woman.

MeMe turns, to see four men materialise seemingly out of nowhere.

"Meet Brujon, Montparnasse, Babet, and Claquesous, four of my late husband's closest associates."

MeMe never met another soul again...


LordKrishna, Javert (Police Officer) was lynched day 3.
MeMe, Jean Valjean (Influential Townie) was killed in the endgame.
Gootentag, Madame Thenardier (Mafia) wins, along with Emptyger!


Game setup to follow.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #27) » Sun May 08, 2005 1:24 pm

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Roles:

Jean Valjean: MeMe


You are an ex-convict, who has been hiding with some success as a well-to-do man for the past ten years. You are a good man at heart, and have but one love, that of your adopted daughter Cosette. You also have a remarkable presence around the town, as you are well known as a powerful and kind man.

You can use your influence to add an additional (anonymous) vote on any player once at any point during the game. When you want to use this ability, PM me and I will add on the extra vote. You win if the only people alive at the end are good guys.

Note: If Cosette dies, Valjean will become a possible member of the ABC Café.

Investigation: You recognize MeMe as a violent, very powerful, evil criminal. You know she’s broken the law many times in the past, and has evaded you for a long time. You know it’s a bad idea to let her stay free. (Guilty)

Marius Pontmercy: vikingfan


You are a simple student, recently inducted into the ABC Café revolutionaries by the leader, Enjolras (Changling Bob). However, in the last week you have found yourself torn – you have fallen in love with Cosette, the daughter of a rich man, and you find it difficult to live without her.

As a member of the ABC Café, you may communicate at night with Enjolras. You must also either search for Cosette each night or ask your friend Eponine to search for her for you. PM me with your choice of who to investigate, and whether you or Eponine investigates. You will receive more instructions when you find Cosette… No matter what, you win if the only people left alive are good guys.

Notes: If Cosette is targeted for any night action on the night that she is found, the action happens to the person investigating instead. Also, if Marius investigates one of Thenardier’s gang, there is a 25% chance he will be caught and will be killed for snooping around (in which case they will not make a nightkill); if Eponine investigates, there is a 50% chance she will be caught, in which case she will run away from the Thenardiers and no longer be able to prevent their kills.

When Cosette is found, Marius receives this PM:

You have found your love (LoudmouthLee)! From now on, you share in Cosette’s protection from night actions as you sit and talk in her yard; however, you must follow Cosette’s voting if she votes before you.

Marius's protection only begins the night after he finds Cosette. However, should Cosette die after he’s found her, Marius will kill himself from grief.

Investigations: (Pre-revolution): Vikingfan seems to be a fundamentally innocent man, although you notice that he’s spending a lot of time with shady characters. (Innocent)
(Post-revolution): Vikingfan spends a lot of his time with very unlawful people… but as far as you can tell he’s a good man. (Innocent)

Enjolras: Changling Bob


You are the leader of the revolutionaries of the ABC Café, and as such may talk at night with your most recent, and most fervent, induction, Marius (Vikingfan). You may also choose to either try to induct people into the ABC Café each night, or organise the revolutionary’s activities. PM me with your choice each night. You win if the only people left alive are good guys. But beware! You know it’s possible that spies might infiltrate the Café; the only person you can truly trust is Marius.

Notes: Eponine and Grantaire are the only characters who can be inducted into the ABC Café. However, no matter who Enjolras chooses to induct, they will find out Enjolras’s role.
If Enjolras chooses to organise revolutionary activities, the masons will all require one additional vote to lynch the next day (representing the support of the people of Paris), but he will turn from innocent to guilty in the eyes of Javert.

Investigations: (Pre-revolution): Although you aren’t aware of any crimes Changling Bob has committed, you have heard of some shady dealings with enemies of the authorities. Perhaps it would be worth keeping an eye on him? (Innocent)
(Post-revolution): Changling Bob is a vicious man – leading a band of ragtag, ill-advised men against the Government. He’s too dangerous to suffer to walk free. (Guilty)

Javert: LordKrishna


You are the stern police officer of Paris. You consider anyone guilty of any crime to be a member of the worst caste on Earth, and everyone else beyond reproach. Each night, you may choose to investigate any person. Whenever you do, you find out any crimes they may have committed*, and if they are guilty of a crime in your eyes you will arrest them. You win when everyone guilty is either dead or in jail.

Notes: Marius and Cosette count as innocent in Javert’s eyes, as is Enjolras (before he organises revolutionary activities) and Grantaire (before he is inducted into the ABC Café). Everyone else is a bad guy. Note that this means Javert’s role is somewhere between that of a serial killer and a cop, and should be quite interesting… Also, the arrest is NOT automatic – LK has to actively PM me to make the arrest.

*Regarding investigation results, in all cases I wrote up a fairly descriptive result, which would make it reasonably clear if LK is OK to arrest the person or not. However, the flavour of the investigation result was supposed to give LK slight hints as to who the person could be. In Madame Thenardier’s case, I couldn’t find any indication that Javert knew of her direct involvement in a crime, but did know about her marriage to Thenardier (a known criminal) and the fact that she knew the various scum her husband worked with. Admittedly, that one result was deliberately written to be confusing.

Thenardier: Emptyger


You are a vile man, a rogue, and for a long time a vicious criminal. You want nothing more than to rob the innocent and survive, and neither does anyone else in your clan. Each night, you may talk with your wife, (Gootentag), and decide on someone to rob – inform me of your choice by PM. Your is the final decision, not your wife’s. You don’t mind getting a little violent in the crime if needs be, and it seems to quite a lot… You win if you’re still alive at the end of the game. Thenardier and his wife make up the Mafia.

Investigation: Emptyger is an evil man – from abandoning the army, to looting, petty thievery and many more crimes. You’d feel more than happy arresting him. (Guilty)

Cosette: LoudmouthLee


You are simply an innocent young lady, living in relative seclusion, and yearning for your new love to find you. Unfortunately, your life is so secluded you can do nothing apart from simply wait in your garden for him to arrive. Thankfully, the large gates and walls offer significant protection. You are immune to any night-kill attempts. You win if the only people left alive are good guys.

Notes: If Marius finds Cosette, then she gets the following PM:

Your love, Marius Pontmercy, has found you! You invite him into the yard to talk every night, and you find you agree with him so absolutely, that if he should vote before you in the day you must follow his example and vote for the same person.

However, should Marius die after he’s found her, Cosette will kill herself out of grief.

Investigation: Loudmouth Lee is perfectly innocent.

Eponine: Mr Stoofer


You are an unfortunate soul, in that you were brought up under the cruel hand of the Thenardiers. You ran away from them recently, and now can do nothing other than wander the streets alone. You are hopelessly, hopelessly in love with your best friend, Marius, but alas! He is oblivious to the fact. However, he does respect you and like you a lot, so despite the pain you remain his friend… although you couldn’t walk away if you tried. You also harbour a deep resentment of your parents, as well as a lasting distrust of the authorities. As such, if you find either of these groups doing anything in your wanderings at night, you will do your utmost to distract them from their task.

At night, PM me with the name of a person you want to hang around that night. You will distract any thugs who visit that person, as you don’t want the person hurt. You’ll also distract the authorities, more out of habit from your time as lookout for your father’s gang than anything else.

Investigation: You know that, in the past, Mr Stoofer has fallen from splendour to sin. That said, you can’t see anything specific wrong that he has done, although you know he’s acted as lookout for criminal activities in the past. However, that's enough for you to feel good putting him behind bars. (Guilty)

Mme Thenardier: Gootentag


You are the wife of the old rogue, Thenardier (Emptyger). Each night, you may talk with him regarding who you should rob to survive another day – unfortunately, robbing people often involves brutally beating them as they resist, but eh, you don’t care. He will make the final decision, but you’re still significant in the process. You win if you are alive at the end of the game.

Notes: Mme. Thenardier is the other Mafia member.

Investigation: You can't pinpoint anything specific from Gootentag, but you know he's been in contact with a variety of shady figures from the underground. You feel that he's just about dodgy enough to arrest... but you aren't certain that it's a good idea. (Guilty)

Grantaire: Seol


You are a drunkard student, and hugely cynical. You win if the townies win.

Notes: If Enjolras tries to recruit Grantaire, he will join the ABC Café and become a Mason. He will then become a criminal to Javert if and when Enjolras does.

Investigations: (Pre-induction): Although Seol is hardly a productive member of society, he’s also harmless to society.
(Post-induction, pre-revolution): Seol seems to be harmless, but you can see how he’s hanging around with the wrong sort of late… perhaps you should keep an eye on him, just in case.
(Post-induction, post-revolution): Seol has been spending a lot of time around highly dangerous men, and seems to support them in their evil ways! You know he’s taken part in attacks on the authorities, and so feel more than comfortable ridding the streets of his presence.

Night activities


Vikingfan (Marius, searcher):
N1: Seol
N2: LoudMouthLee
N3: ---

Mr Stoofer (Eponine, Doc):
N1: MeMe
N2: MeMe
N3: MeMe

Changling_Bob (Enjolras, Mason recruiter):
N1: None
N2: None
N3: ---

LordKrishna (Javert, Cop / SK):
N1: Loudmouth Lee (No arrest)
N2: Gootentag (No arrest)
N3: Mr. Stoofer (No arrest)

Emptyger / Gootentag (Thenardiers, Mafia):
N1: Seol
N2: vikingfan
N3: Mr. Stoofer

Interestingly, since MeMe never used her ability (She PM'd me asking if the deadline still held, and said if not, she would almost certainly use her ability - but before I could reply to let her know it didn't, Emp was lynched), it got to a situation in day 3 where MeMe could only win if there was a no lynch, and Goot and LK could only win by lynching one another.


Good game, all! I'm gonna go sign up to mod another - I have a particularly evil idea up my sleeve...
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Post Post #403 (isolation #28) » Mon May 09, 2005 12:24 pm

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MeMe wrote:
Aelyn wrote:it got to a situation in day 3 where MeMe could only win if there was a no lynch, and Goot and LK could only win by lynching one another.
How so? Wouldn't lynching gootentag have resulted in a town win? And, if not, was there ever any
real
possibility of a town without being perfect in lynches? As LK said on day two, he expected to turn up a guilty result on Valjean -- so what makes you think he'd arrest me automatically? I guess I'm not quite clear on the SK aspect of the Javert role...I'm frankly
more
confused by the game now that I've read the roles.

And why list Stoofer as
only
doctor in his death scene? This, for me, was the biggest deciding factor in me voting for LK (a close second was the misleading male-shooter death scene).

And EmpTyger -- you can insist about the joke all you want, but I
truly
thought it wasn't and can't imagine I'd have budged off of you even if you hadn't claimed my role. I've already detailed what looked off about it (too much detail and bundled with actual game comments, if I recall).
Basically, Javert was essentially a neutral role - it was quite possible for some townies to win and others to not.

Javert would have won if, at any point, the only people left alive were him and people he felt to be innocent. Those people would also have won, but not the rest of the town. Had Goot been lynched day 3, Javert would have arrested you overnight, which would have meant you wouldn't have won.

In other words, it was quite possible from the start for Javert, Cosette and Marius to win, and no-one else to (had CB used his ability)!

Regarding the Eponine thing - Eponine did actually block investigations, but I only gave the
essence
of the role. Yes, it was gamebreaking in the end, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #29) » Mon May 09, 2005 2:43 pm

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MeMe wrote:But...you said that LK's arrest was not automatic. And LK said...
LordKrishna wrote:I did think that an investigation of MeMe would probably turn up a false guilty result, so I didn't do that, instead trying to get more information...
So, it's quite possible that, if LK and I had lynched gootentag today and he was exposed as scum, we'd have had a joint win, no?

And if the only chance of innocent town winning the game was a "no-lynch" -- I pretty much think that's the same thing as saying that the town had
no
chance of winning the game on day three. It'd have been completely nonsensical to go for no-lynch when it looked clear that there was only one killer and no doctor. And it seems totally unsolvable to me that, just because you chose that I should turn up as guilty (though I'm town, according to my role) that I can't win if Javert (another innocent, according to HIS role I'm assuming) is also alive. I mean, reverse/insane/paranoid cops don't have to believe the investigations they're given -- if they do, that's kind of playing the game
for
the players rather than letting them interpret the game for themselves.

I'm just irritated, as you can probably tell. All game I was trying hard to win this. It was bad enough when it looked as though I had simply made a bad decision...it's even worse when it appears as though there was never a RIGHT one for me. Feels like a waste of time -- like I've been Punk'd.
I think I see the misunderstanding here.

Javert was
not
a pro-town player here - he was neutral, almost an SK with an advantage. On the last day, the game setup was essentially a townie, an SK and a Mafia - and that situation is unwinnable by the townie unless there's a no-lynch. The way that the lynches and nightkills fell, there was no way for you to win day 3, but unfortunately that happens sometimes.

The reason I made the arrest mechanic optional was twofold - firstly, it means that he can hide the fact that there's an SK-like player in the game. Secondly (and perhaps more evilly), it makes his exact role rather vague - for the majority of the game, LK believed he was strictly pro-town, instead of the essentially neutral role he had.

The reason Javert had this somewhat unusual role was purely flavour-driven. In the book, Javert is a firm officer of the law, and spent the vast majority of his time chasing Valjean. He also infiltrated the revolutionaries, with the intention of destroying them from the inside. Judging by these points, it felt bizarre to think that it would be possible for him to win with some of his enemies alive, so I felt I had to give him the unusual victory conditions. However, Javert firmly believed he was doing the right thing, hence the vague role description.

I apologise if you feel cheated by the setup.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #30) » Wed May 11, 2005 5:06 am

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Mr Stoofer wrote:Kudos to you gootentag. A well deserved win - albeit I think you were a bit lucky with Javert's result on you.

Thanks also to you Aelyn for a great theme adaptation that had us all guessing until the very end. It must have involved a huge amount of work for you. What was the "unusual rule" that you didn't use in the end?
Thanks!

Actually, it wasn't that much work... apart from trying to write nightscenes around existing lyrics. I'm rather proud of how it ended up.

The unusual rule was... no breaking the fourth wall. It's kind of a difficult rule to implement, but basically it would have meant you weren't allowed to talk about the game as though it was a game - no discussion of exact role mechanics, or the probability of certain roles being in the game, or the like. It's a rather subjective rule, and I'm gonna keep it in mind for a while until I can figure out a nice way of implementing it.

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