Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[crywolf20084]

Cry any reason you keep ignoring my questions?

MBF, you ever been in a normal game that the town no lynched day 1?

The Archon vote of Cry surprised the shit out of me...guess I read something wrong.

I didn't look back, sorry.

Lemme go find them.

[crywolf20084]

my reply to CK's 239 (trying to avoid long quote pyramids), why did you go check to see if my comment was accurate?

unvote Cry...

need to think on that claim...parts of it are sticking out in particular, but I think i know what she doing, so will leave it at that...however, i dont think I understand why you would want to lynch your partner....do you know if your partner knows your alignment?

I don't know if he knows. I can't wait to talk to him tonight to understand him better.

I think that if Cry has a mason partner and that partner had anything important to bring to the table right now..he/she would. Cry is either scum or mason…maybe both, but I am doubting it. I believe Cry’s claim….I also think that Cry is probably new to the game. I think that the partner coming out right now will hurt us more than help us…If Cry is indeed telling the truth, at this point, Cry’s claim has nullified the usefulness of role. My biggest problem was Cry’s attack of that partner….did you ever explain why you thought it might be a good idea to lynch your partner?

Well...Okay when i see the word "neighbor" that usually freaks me out, which is what my Role PM specifically says I am.
I dunno. Right now my partner is trying to be active and I wanna talk to him.

[MacavityLock]

cry, similar to my other question: To your knowledge, did your partner know that you were a duck before you announced so to the thread? That is, did you tell him through night talk, and/or do you think he might have been aware of it via his PM?

[mikeburnfire]

MBF, you ever been in a normal game that the town no lynched day 1?

Yes, several.

Right now my partner is trying to be active and I wanna talk to him.

So according to you, your partner is male, and was lurking, but is now fairly active. I'm pretty sure I could figure out who it is, thanks to the hints you've dropped.

[Gorrad]

Well...Okay when i see the word "neighbor" that usually freaks me out, which is what my Role PM specifically says I am.

Unvote, Vote: Crywolf

[kloud1516]

1)

welcome farside, good to be in a game with you again..

question, what do you think of this comment for CK in reference to CW?

Been waiting for anyone to comment on this..but no one has yet....

still comfortable with my vote on CW however...for now

I too am LA due to the fact I work tonight, tomorrow, Friday, and Saturday...along with two art projects that desperately need working on because its due on Monday. I may need replacing...I dunno how much I can catch up with...I will try.

9 pages is not that much...you seem to be active everywhere else..why?

If she truly is active elsewhere, then this lurking is very disturbing to me.

FoS: crywolf20084

Why exactly were you waiting for others to respond before doing so yourself? What does waiting for others to notice something accomplish? Why bring this up when farside "replaces" in, when it was something you had felt needed to be addressed (as you state above) before?

I was curious who was scum hunting and who might comment on this first..and then who would agree after… Trying to find links and connections to people….or on the flip side, see who attacks who and why. As it stands no one did, until I commented on it. I wanted to see how Farside’s view of CK differed from MBF’s (or lack thereof)..also, I was tired of waiting.

Fair enough. The post confused me a little bit so I thought I should ask, for the sake of clarity.

2)

I do NOT support a No Lynch for today. We need as much information as possible going into Day 2, so that we are not stuck making further cases and with minimal concrete evidence. We need a basis from which we can analyze the content of Day 1 in relation to its conclusion, be this in the form of voting patterns, defense (or lack thereof) of the lynched player, and basic content provided. Without a basis to which we can refer, we run the risk of making cases and discussion based solely on speculation, which will only hinder our efforts of scum hunting.

More to come, need to read the latest posts to make sure I am not missing anything.

[mikeburnfire]

Geez, look at all the people who get pissed when I vote no lynch. It's almost as if being cautious with our kills is a SIN!

[crywolf20084]

cry, similar to my other question: To your knowledge, did your partner know that you were a duck before you announced so to the thread? That is, did you tell him through night talk, and/or do you think he might have been aware of it via his PM?

No i didn't even talk to him last night. He found out through the thread.

[crywolf20084]

Right now my partner is trying to be active and I wanna talk to him.

So according to you, your partner is male, and was lurking, but is now fairly active. I'm pretty sure I could figure out who it is, thanks to the hints you've dropped.

Um A) I'm the only female in this game, so yeah he's male. And a lot of people fit the "fairly active now was a lurker though" description.

[Archon]

No lynches are no fun. I mean, I can see why you like them, but it feels like when a no-lynch happens, the mafia win a little.

[Gorrad]

A no lynch stops the town from using the one power it's nigh-garunteed to have against the scum.

[Citizen Karne]

Been having a busy time lately. I'll post tomorrow.

[mikeburnfire]

Oh, looks like it's almost time for me to leave. I'll move my vote to Gorrad for now. I don't like how people are voting for the claimed mason on Day 1, and it's worse that Gorrad joined in near the deadline for some arbitrary "neighbor" comment. Plus, he has only recently started giving content. No hard feelings Gorrad. I just think there's a good possibility that you might be scum.

unvote, vote: Gorrad

[scotmany12]

Oh, looks like it's almost time for me to leave. I'll move my vote to Gorrad for now. I don't like how people are voting for the claimed mason on Day 1, and it's worse that Gorrad joined in near the deadline for some arbitrary "neighbor" comment. Plus, he has only recently started giving content. No hard feelings Gorrad. I just think there's a good possibility that you might be scum.

unvote, vote: Gorrad

This is a good post. Seriously though, this is now my only game so I'll be able to be more active from now on.

[Gorrad]

Geez, big swap from

Gorrad, who do you think we should kill? With TSQ gone, you're the person I trust the most right now. Even though you have been eerily low-key all day phase.

Neighbors means, in my experience, that at LEAST one member of the pair is scum. I've yet to see a neighbor pair that didn't have at least one scum member. Masons can have scum members too, but for neighbors it's pretty much garunteed. I'd believe a Mason claim, give it the benefit of the doubt in the face of scummy behavior, etc. But the fact that he claimed neighbor means that in my mind he's a scummy member of a duo that contains at least one scum.

That aside, no offense taken. 'Tis just a game.

[Thestatusquo]

Back with laptop.

[Gorrad]

And there was much rejoycing.

Yaaaaaaaay.

[dahill1]

@gorrad: that's some serious outguessing the mod right there. how do we know that shanba isn't trying to break the meta with this game?

[Gorrad]

We don't. I know from my own experience that I have yet to see a neighbor pair without at least one anti-town. If anyone HAS seen such a pair, I'd like them to link it ASAP. It's like someone claiming vig/janitor. It's possible, sure, but unlikely and unprecedented.

[Citizen Karne]

I am very sorry I haven't been more involved as of late but school is very hectic right now. I apologize but I don't have time now for anything comprehensive. I'll have to post tomorrow. Again, I'm sorry about this.

[mikeburnfire]

Okay, I accept your explanation Gorrad.

unvote

Seeing as how Crywolf is the only one even close to a lynch with 5 votes, I guess I'll help it along. I'm not stupid enough to lynch just for the sake of lynching, and I hate the idea of lynching a claimed mason on Day 1. But she has acted suspicious, there's no denying that.

vote: CryWolf

We need to quickly consider the alleged mason partner. He hasn't shown himself yet, so he is either (A) unsure of CryWolf's innocence and is willing to let her die or (B) scum who is watching us kill the innocent mason without needing to reveal himself.

Given that CryWolf was so suspicious of her partner, but never directly told us who he was, I have a tendency to believe that if one of them is scum, it's her.

Man, I feel frustrated right now that I'm suddenly suspicious of the one person I've been defending all game. If we kill her and I'm wrong, we just killed a mason. If I'm right, then I'll be under a lot of suspicion tomorrow. Bleh.

Mod: since I'll be gone, I'd like to give my vote to Gorrad, allowing him to change my vote if some new information should come up. Is this allowed? I've seen it before in other games.

[scotmany12]

I've never even seen a neighbor pair. Seriously, neighbor could just be flavor. How bout you link to where you seen a neighbor pair, cause I have seriously never seen the term used. And even if what Gorrad says is true, there is no reason to suspect that Cay is mafia over her partner. And if this is the case, we want the other mason to claim before we kill anyone.

[mikeburnfire]

I thought about that, but there's also the scenario where both are innocent. Which is why I'm not pushing for a second reveal.

[MacavityLock]

Gorrad's vote definitely disturbs me. First of all, I definitely think that assuming that neighbor (what I've been calling unconfirmed mason) pairs are suspicious solely due to their neighbor-dom is an outguessing of the mod. I do not think that we should just assume that at least one of the neighbors is scum.

However, given that Gorrad does think that, I think it's very suspicious that he would vote mainly for that reason and then not try to ferret out the other neighbor. If the assumption is that there's at least one is scum there, we would clearly need to know the partner pre-lynch in case Cry flips town. Cry is close enough to lynch that Gorrad really should have been looking into outing the partner if those are his really motives with respect to the neighbors.

FoS: Gorrad

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If we do go down the route of lynching Cry, getting a partner claim is something we definitely need to discuss. As an un-partnered neighbor is just about equivalent to a vanilla, I think I'm for it.

As for Cry's lynch, I think her laziness/lurkiness throughout the day have been scummy enough, but some of the votes on her seem odd. dahill, is your case on her focused on the fact that she suggested lynching her partner? Having seen Gorrad and MBF's discussion on the metaphysics of neighbors, does that change your mind at all? I'd also really like to know why RR is voting her (I know he's LA at the moment.)

[scotmany12]

I thought about that, but there's also the scenario where both are innocent. Which is why I'm not pushing for a second reveal.

Then you shouldn't be voting for a claimed mason then.