Open 121: Two of Four (b9) - Over! before 752

[SensFan]

Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?

The part that sells it is where she is willing to take a lynch. Only a vanilla townie would do that right now. That's why I asked for a claim. If she had claimed a power role, she was scum. She considers herself a distraction and is willing to take a lynch. It's as simple as that.

You yourself said that no one was online to hammer, and there wasn't really a risk of a hammer that quickly into the Day, anyways. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but you're giving WAY too much credit to a WIFOM argument here, and I don't like it.

Why would Sekinj, as scum, be that confident that no one would hammer. I looked like I was going to keep my vote and surely you'd have been willing to hammer based on the way Day 1 ended and your actions yesterday.

Is there something wrong with WIFOM?

Because it would be literally stupid to hammer a couple of hours into what will be (iirc) a 10-day long Day, at least.

And yes, when its this blatant. Now if Scum is ever backed in a corner, they can vote themselves, claim they want to be lynched 'for the cause', and you've set a precedent of unvoting them and calling them Town.

[sekinj]

if you are so sure you should vote for me, sens

[SensFan]

if you are so sure you should vote for me, sens

Flawed logic and one-line posts aren't helping your case.

[sekinj]

My case that you shoud lynch me? I thought they would be perfect for that....

[SensFan]

My case that you shoud lynch me? I thought they would be perfect for that....

Vote: sek

I've had enough of this bullshit.

[sekinj]

ok. We need one more noble townie... Emp?

[Primate]

I take it you appreciate the reason you are being distracting isn't because you are inherently distracting, it is because you do distracting things like try to lynch yourself. Doing something incredibly distracting to stop being distracting is stupid.

[sekinj]

no, i'm not inherently distracting. But I have become a distraction in this game. It cannot be rectified until I am lynched. the last several pages proves that.

[Kmd4390]

Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?

The part that sells it is where she is willing to take a lynch. Only a vanilla townie would do that right now. That's why I asked for a claim. If she had claimed a power role, she was scum. She considers herself a distraction and is willing to take a lynch. It's as simple as that.

You yourself said that no one was online to hammer, and there wasn't really a risk of a hammer that quickly into the Day, anyways. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but you're giving WAY too much credit to a WIFOM argument here, and I don't like it.

Why would Sekinj, as scum, be that confident that no one would hammer. I looked like I was going to keep my vote and surely you'd have been willing to hammer based on the way Day 1 ended and your actions yesterday.

Is there something wrong with WIFOM?

Because it would be literally stupid to hammer a couple of hours into what will be (iirc) a 10-day long Day, at least.

And yes, when its this blatant. Now if Scum is ever backed in a corner, they can vote themselves, claim they want to be lynched 'for the cause', and you've set a precedent of unvoting them and calling them Town.

Sekinj came right out accepting a lynch. I made it seem like I was fine with it. If just one more person was ok with it, she was lynched. That's enough reason for her, as scum, to say "Ok, I guess this isn't protown. Sorry."

And what makes you think I'd be willing to accept someone as town when they already know my line of thinking. Sorry, but it doesn't work twice.

Sekinj, please stop this. If you keep this up, you may need to be lynched so you aren't around in LYLO...

[sekinj]

If you keep this up, you may need to be lynched so you aren't around in LYLO...

Which is exactly what I dont' want. If I am still here at LYLO, I will be lynched for the game loss. I would much rather be lynched now, so the scum can be lynched at lylo.

[Empking]

The current question is when we cut to the chase and lynch empking.

Why?

[sekinj]

it looks like we are just going to sit here for 10 days anyway...

[Primate]

hey guys whuts goin on in hyar

[sekinj]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

[Primate]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, we need something to jump-start activity here. Let's try this.

I don't really think Sekinj is, I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me. I think you're likely to be town also, but, you, in particular, have the experience to be able to pull of the pro-town driver attitude you've been sticking with as scum, and quite possibly the balls to do so, which I think is more relevant. Emptyger was originally one of my pro-town reads, but I'm increasingly going against that primarily because he's the most dubious read that way, and every time I tried to read him from that perspective again, I don't really see it.

I'm going to call these reads wishy washy and non-commital and ask you to rank the remaining players as far as liklieness of being scum. I'll also ask for reasons why your number one scum read is scum. Failure to do this will result in you getting my vote.

[Primate]

Ok, we need something to jump-start activity here. Let's try this.

I don't really think Sekinj is, I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me. I think you're likely to be town also, but, you, in particular, have the experience to be able to pull of the pro-town driver attitude you've been sticking with as scum, and quite possibly the balls to do so, which I think is more relevant. Emptyger was originally one of my pro-town reads, but I'm increasingly going against that primarily because he's the most dubious read that way, and every time I tried to read him from that perspective again, I don't really see it.

I'm going to call these reads wishy washy and non-commital and ask you to rank the remaining players as far as liklieness of being scum. I'll also ask for reasons why your number one scum read is scum. Failure to do this will result in you getting my vote.

My number one scum read is emp because he is the only one i don't think is town and by process of elimination he has to be scum. Figuring out town reads is much easier and more consistent that figuring out scum reads, for me at least. So your question and demand is restrictively and badly phrased, redo it please.

[sekinj]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

Are you saying you KNOW I'm innocent?

[Primate]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

Are you saying you KNOW I'm innocent?

No, that's not even remotely what I'm saying. Try again.

[sekinj]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

Are you saying you KNOW I'm innocent?

No, that's not even remotely what I'm saying. Try again.

Are you trying to say that YOU are the scum??

[Empking]

hey guys whuts goin on in hyar

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Unvote

Vote: Primate

[Primate]

Hey Empking nice expressing suspicion without saying why there. I am assuming you have an awesome non-hypocritical reason for voting me.

[Empking]

Hey Empking nice expressing suspicion without saying why there. I am assuming you have an awesome non-hypocritical reason for voting me.

Trying to start descussion in a way that didn't involves answering the questions asked of you.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, we need something to jump-start activity here. Let's try this.

I don't really think Sekinj is, I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me. I think you're likely to be town also, but, you, in particular, have the experience to be able to pull of the pro-town driver attitude you've been sticking with as scum, and quite possibly the balls to do so, which I think is more relevant. Emptyger was originally one of my pro-town reads, but I'm increasingly going against that primarily because he's the most dubious read that way, and every time I tried to read him from that perspective again, I don't really see it.

I'm going to call these reads wishy washy and non-commital and ask you to rank the remaining players as far as liklieness of being scum. I'll also ask for reasons why your number one scum read is scum. Failure to do this will result in you getting my vote.

My number one scum read is emp because he is the only one i don't think is town and by process of elimination he has to be scum. Figuring out town reads is much easier and more consistent that figuring out scum reads, for me at least. So your question and demand is restrictively and badly phrased, redo it please.

Can you explain the town reads on Sens, Sekinj, and myself that lead to Emp being scum in your opinion?

[sekinj]

Yeah, I'd like to know why I am town...