Open 118 - Follow The Cop ... Or Not (Game Over) before 748

[GIEFF]

I can't think of a pro-town reason to pretend you don't understand Shin's case while saying that you do.

I can't think of a pro-town reason for you to parrot all the reasons I gave for an ac lynch, call them your own, and then try to set ME up as ac's buddy.

[Grandi]

Hey, i said i would have to look into it... which i will do tomorrow. I was only looking for a way to explain ACs defending of you... do you have a better one?

More read etc on other players coming up tomorrow as well, really need some sleep atm.

Btw, don't like how you're saying i'm copying you. I looked at the roles of the dead players and then started reading. All my conclusions and most of that PBPA come from the notes i made then. I'm not parroting here. Good night

[GIEFF]

If you have really read the entire thread, you'd realize you didn't make a single new point. That's fine, and to be expected for someone who just replaced it, but you're writing it as if it is new, and trying to call me ac's buddy. Either you didn't read the entire thread (which means you chose purposefully to tunnel in on ac), or you did read the thread, and chose to ignore parts of it. Neither explanation is particularly pro-town.

And you still have not answered for ZEEnon - I take that to mean that you can't think of a possible pro-town explanation. I don't think there is one.

[ac1983fan]

post 34

Sees attack on fellow scum, and comes defending. Also, effects and intentions are two completely different things.

That's not even close to what happened there, and I really don't think any of you get that that post of mine was basically meaningless. I don't know how many times I've said this, but I'll say it once more: I was saying that is was kinda ironic, because kmd was saying that the town wants to get out of the RVS, which was the result of magushin's post.

post 91, post 103 and post 107

Some theorising whether to unvote out of RVS. No content. No scumhunting.

post 118

Talking to Mod, no content.

post

Requesting deadline, contentless post

post 159

Whining about quote pyramid, no content.

post 170

More whining about quote pyramid. No content.

post 168

No content.

scuse me for maybe accidentally neglecting this game a little. This game just got a bajillion posts quickly, so I wasn't really able to fully keep up with everything and post big posts about everything, especially since many of my thoughts were like those of others, and I didn't want to be too redundant.

post 217

Let me quote this one:

I'm ready to hammer, but I'll give Shin her say.
Truth is, she wasn't scummy to me when empking first made his case on her, but her actions since then have changed my opinions of her.

Ok, let's see, first you defend magus when he is attacked. Several people called you on that, and after that you only posted some contentless posts, and now that magus is at L-1, you suddenly say you're willing to hammer, without giving any reasons?

This sounds like classic bussing behavior. After being called out on defending magus, you didn't dare do it again, and when you saw a magus lynch was pretty much inevitable, you wanted the hammer for the townie points.

I wanted the hammer because I'm a pro-town player who thought shin was scum. I could've sworn I had posted something more on shin before that point, but I guess it was one of those times were I started a post and never finished.

post 231

Ok, the questions he means are all the questions from tuber and empking (which had all been answered at the time IIRC). AC, if you thought it important that magus answered those questions, why didn't you ask before he was on L-1?

Other people were pressuring her, I didn't want to be too redundant. She just seemed reluctant to respond to questions and statements directed to he, and her responses seemed lacking.

post 234

Says again he was not defending. AC, you were explaining magus' actions presuming to know his intentions.... how is that not defending?

Because, if you look at my explanation post for that, you'll notice that it had nothing to do with shin's intentions, but rather, the effects of her post.

post 236

First of all, it's not defending if it wasn't my intention to defend.

That's BS, there was no other explanation for what you did. You weren't attacking someone with it, you weren't searching for flaws in someone's reasoning...

Wrong wrong wrong wrong

post 238

Oversees possibility GIEFF might be scum

I think GIEFF is pro-town. In fact, I am 90% sure GIEFF is pro-town.

post 253

more leader/follower stuff

Excuse be for responding to things other people say to me.

post 259

12 people who creat content, make cases, etc? Sounds wonderfull....

No, if we have twelve people who all wanna go in different directions, that is bad. Day will never end.

post 302

In other news, shin, are you planning on claiming any time soon? Because we're getting really close to deadline, and if you want to live, that's pretty much your only possibility.

Coaching?

No, wanting to know if it's safe to hammer shin.

post 384

Cuz it's not the truth?

It is the truth, and I find your blind accusations that I've been lying are scummy as hell, especially considering I have explained many times what my actual intentions were and you are accusing me of lying about something when I have never lied in this game.

post 421

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post 423

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post 427

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post 436

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post 439

and

post 446

Lots of talking about not getting the hammer, how he would have liked to get the hammer, and how we should have waited for the replacement.

Excuse me for responding to things people say to me.

Actually, i had exactly the same scenario last game i played as scum. My buddy was at L-1, and i was on the top of many "lynch tomorrow" lists, so i wanted to hammer my buddy to ease some of the suspicion, and he was already lost anyway. However, i decided it would be more townie to wait for the replacements, then someone snuck in and hammered before i did. I was acting i lot as AC is doing here (we should have waited, i wanted to hammer). Ask tuberkulos, he was there (sorry for killing you btw).

That's a different case because I am not scum.

Anyway, there is no reason a townie should care if he hammers or someone else, the only one who would care here is scum....

I was more worried about the fact that hammer came through before ZEE was replaced.

I'm not sure why the mafia killed Slicey, other than the fact that he was a strong supporter of the Shin lynch... He didn't express much suspicion towards anyone but Shin, so I guess not much to be garnered from his death.

Starting nightkill speculation.... me not like that.

I was trying to see what info could be gained from Slicey's death.... excuse me for trying to analyze and do the pro-town thing to do.

post 432

Defending GIEFF now... interesting.... i'd say we'd have found #3, except GIEFF is voting AC atm.... need to take a closer look at that soon...

I don't think GIEFF is scum.

And I'm not voting now because I feel no need to cast a vote right now. I won't vote unless I think someone needs to be lynched. Ok?

AC, do you think scum are more likely to drop scumtells if they have votes on them? Also, you find no one suspicious atm?

Didn't I say somewhere that I thought kmd and ZEE (which is now you) were/are scummy?

post 475

Now everyone has reason to suspect you

Uhhh, ok. What I was saying is that GIEFF has an actual case.

post 4

AC, how do you consider your new playstyle better than the old one? I mean, filling this thread with mostly contentless posts is not that great a play style.

At least I'm trying to actually play to game, as opposed to my old style of not even paying attention/voting for whoever is the current "popular" lynch target...

Summary for lazy people

You've basically regurgitated GIEFF's case on me, except you're faulting me for some of my supposedly "contentless" posts, when many of them were responses to other people's posts. I also find it odd that you seemingly have delibrately ignored everyone elses posts in this game, coming in to analyze ONLY the popular lynch target.

[Shadow Knight]

I gotta say, I like GIEFF's reasoning on Tuber. Enough so that I'm comfortable with a

vote Tuber

[Empking]

Unvote
Vote: Gandi

GIEFF's yesterday game was very scummy but his today game is very townlike.

[Shadow Knight]

@GIEFF- which case do you think is more damning, Gandi or Tuber?

[GIEFF]

Grandi. Although I am basing that mostly on a few sentences by ZEEnon, whereas ac1983fan's scumminess was more widespread.

[Grandi]

Sorry, no time today, stupid exams -_-

promised post will come tomorrow (hopefully)

[GIEFF]

Zazier has posted

94 times

in other games since her last post in this one, over a week ago.

In case my last post wasn't clear, I suspect ac1983fan the most, followed by Grandi.

[Shadow Knight]

I really hate it when people replace in for people who were acting odd. It messes with my impression of them and I feel compelled to let the new player make their own mistakes before I vote them. I do agree that Zazie needs to show up here more.

@Zazie- If you had to pick 3 people for your "most likely scum" list, who would it be and why?

@tuber, ac1983fan, & grandi- same question

[Tuberkulos]

I do. You've said you unvoted Shin because you wanted others to perceive you as willing to vote ac. I don't see why a pro-town player would worry about that, and I think that if you really preferred a Shin lynch to an ac lynch, there should be no need to unvote.

As I've stated before, I don't see the problem with backing up statments/reasons/thoughts with votes/unvotes/FoS's etc.

And even if your true objective for unvoting WAS what you say it is (i.e. showing everybody that you are willing to lynch ac), unvoting failed to achieve this objective. The only way to show you are willing to vote ac is to ACTUALLY VOTE AC. And you did not look all that willing to consider the ac lynch, considering

your very next post after your unvote was the hammer

.

I left the unvote there for two days, from page 14-17. No matter if I didn't post anything in between the unvote and vote, I left the unvote there for what I believe is sufficient time for an ac-lynch to start taking form.

And although you did hammer, at that point it was clear that Shin was going to be the lynch choice no matter what, so it doesn't mean all that much.

I concur.

[Nameless]

PhilyEc replaces ZazieR.

One Vote To Fool Them All, One Vote To Wagon | One Vote To Hammer Scum And Get Back To Your Flagon | In The Mod's Flavour Text Where The Vote Counts Lie

ac1983fan: 2 (GIEFF, Grandi)
Grandi: 2 (DraketheFake, Empking)
Tuberkulos: 1 (Shadow Knight)
Not Voting: 4 (ac1983fan, PhilyEc, Kmd4390, Tuberkulos)

[PhilyEc]

Hey all, pretty glad to be joining, I'll be rereading this thread over the weekend.
I have Irish Orals on Monday so I'll be going at the serious posts thereafter, until then I'll be reading new and old posts. Posting if I see any new posts are lookin' dodgy mainly for the weekend.

Happy hunting

[Grandi]

I'm curious to see your thoughts on why your predecessor (ZEEnon) would ask for the Shin case to be explain in the very same post in which he admits it is valid.

Seems like you really want this, so i'm gonna try:

Also, can some people please explain to me the case on Shinnen_no_Me? The reasons I am seeing aren't extremely strong. They are valid though.

Translation:

The case on Shinnen is rather weak as far as i can see (though there is a case). Is there something i am missing?

Right now Shinnen_no_Me is highly suspicious, but the way that Empking attacks him warrants my vote once again.

Vote: Empking

.

Translation:

Though i think Shinnen is very scummy, i think Empking is more likely to be scum because he:
a) attacks her for the wrong reasons
b) attacks her in a scummy manner
c) is really annoying and i want him to be gone asap
d) all of the above

Sorry, that's the best i can give you.

If you have really read the entire thread, you'd realize you didn't make a single new point. That's fine, and to be expected for someone who just replaced it, but you're writing it as if it is new, and trying to call me ac's buddy. Either you didn't read the entire thread (which means you chose purposefully to tunnel in on ac), or you did read the thread, and chose to ignore parts of it. Neither explanation is particularly pro-town.

I did read the whole thread, though i admit i read through the last page or so rather fast. Of course i know pretty much all i said has been said before, but i put it all there together, as to convince other townies as well.

And there is no way you're AC's buddy btw. I made that comment when i saw AC protecting someone, with in the back of my mind the alignment of the last player AC was defending. If you are scum together, you must be the stupidest scumteam ever, and i don't believe that.

@Zazie- If you had to pick 3 people for your "most likely scum" list, who would it be and why?

@tuber, ac1983fan, & grandi- same question

AC obviously, and prolly zazier/phily and kmd, though i don't really have a read on you, so start posting more

And a big welcome to Phily btw

[GIEFF]

If you don't have a read on zazier and kmd, why do you think they are scum? It's odd you had enough time to go through every single one of ac's post, yet can't provide a single reason for suspecting anyone else.

[Shadow Knight]

@GIEFF- I believe he was talking about not having a read on me.

[PhilyEc]

I'm looking up who

Shinen

was buddies with or elsee never bothered someone, has anyone here posted such an analysis I can refer to or do I need to make one out of the raw text?

[ac1983fan]

If you don't have a read on zazier and kmd, why do you think they are scum? It's odd you had enough time to go through every single one of ac's post, yet can't provide a single reason for suspecting anyone else.

QFT. I find it scummy that you came right out of the gate analyzing me and only me, the person who could be considered one of the main lynch targets.

If you had to pick 3 people for your "most likely scum" list, who would it be and why?

Zazier for lurking the hell out of this game but not others, and Grandi for regurgitating my case, accusing me of not posting content, analyzing just me in her first post, insulting me somewhat, and for the scummy behavior of ZEEnon. But, for now,

vote:Zazier

.

[Tuberkulos]

@Zazie- If you had to pick 3 people for your "most likely scum" list, who would it be and why?

@tuber, ac1983fan, & grandi- same question

At this point, I feel that either ac1983fan or grandi is likely scum. Ac1983fan's play during D1 is somewhat disturbing since he never made much of scumhunting himself, but instead followed the pack. Claiming he would hammer, but never did so because he felt that ZEEnon's replacement should have his/her say. And when I hammered he felt that I "stole his hammer". If you really wanted to hammer, than you shouldn't have waited for ZEEnon's replacement to come in here. And if you truly felt that hammering before ZEEnon's replacement joins would be wrong, than you shouldn't feel that I "stole your hammer".

Grandi comes in and starts to focus on ac1983fan directly. Not stating his opinion on anyone else. Bringing absolutely nothing new to the game, and I think that as a replacement one would look at some things from a different perspective. So even if he agrees with what other people might have already stated, one should be able to add atleast something new to the game. Grandi, you fail to do this and I wonder why.

I'll have to come back to you about that third person.

I really hate it when people replace in for people who were acting odd. It messes with my impression of them and I feel compelled to let the new player make their own mistakes before I vote them. I do agree that Zazie needs to show up here more

I really hate it when people who haven't contributed during the whole game comes in and just starts asking questions without providing any thoughts for themselves.

[ac1983fan]

If you had to pick 3 people for your "most likely scum" list, who would it be and why?

Zazier for lurking the hell out of this game but not others, and Grandi for regurgitating my case, accusing me of not posting content, analyzing just me in her first post, insulting me somewhat, and for the scummy behavior of ZEEnon. But, for now,

vote:Zazier

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Oh, and I know that I didn't list three people, but there's only two scum left and only two people I find particularly scummy.

[GIEFF]

Still waiting for Grandi to explain the lack of attention on anybody else, and to explain why he finds Kmd and ZazieR scummy.


Drake hasn't posted in 10 days.
kmd hasn't posted in 7 days.
Empking hasn't posted in 6 days.

Can you prod these three posters, Nameless?

[Kmd4390]

kmd hasn't posted in 7 days.

Can you prod these three posters, Nameless?

I'm here. Need to catch up and get back into this game. Sorry.

[Nameless]

DraketheFake, Empking, Shadow Knight and Grandi have all been prodded.

[Shadow Knight]

I'm here. I've been reading along since my last post. Not really sure how to start discussion again, unless we get into hypotheticals.