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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:54 am

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I think this is best for the town since I have become just a distraction at this point. zaz's murder was an obv setup for me as well.

on a side note: I think kmd is the scum, so I woudl suggest going after him tomorrow. When he returned from his v/la he unvoted and said he was going to review and make sure of his case, but then when he re-voted he just said that he had always been sure of his case on hewitt.
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:09 am

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Seriously sekinj? You are a better player than this. Cut the AtE. If you are town, unvote. Defend yourself instead of doing this shit. Enough of the WIFOM with the NK.

Against your actual point in that post: I had missed quite a bit. Hewitt was at L-1, so I unvoted just in case I missed something big. Sens said Hewitt had claimed vanilla, so I said I'd probably revote. I reread and revoted. There is no inconsistency there.

By the way, the self-vote is a null tell. I'm not going to speculate with the whole "you know it won't lead to a lynch, so it's just AtE" or "You are willing to see yourself lynched, so you must be town" because anyone could make a case either way.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:13 am

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what should I say to defend myself? really, what? sens brings out the worst town in me.

and it IS true that everyone's attention will be on me today. I'd rather just cut that out and let the town find the real scum. I think they have a good shot since dcj was eliminated so early.
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:25 am

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You brought it out in yourself.

Vote Sekinj


Claim if you are really willing to go through with this.
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:29 am

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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:44 am

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I know this will put the town at LYLO, but if I thought there was a better way, I woudl unvote. the best I can do is state my suspicion and keep my vote on me.
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:02 am

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I'm not sure what to say. I think we should drop it and both of you should unvote. There's nmo point having a long twilight or night.
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:48 am

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sekinj wrote:I know this will put the town at LYLO, but if I thought there was a better way, I woudl unvote. the best I can do is state my suspicion and keep my vote on me.
I'm sure lynching you and having a day that lasts shorter than 24 hrs will be very condusive to discussion. I realise you've got it in your mind that you want to take a stand and you are sacrificing yourself, etc, but it's honestly not a good play under these circumstances or ever.

As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:03 am

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i just don't think the suspicion on me is going to go away. besides it will be useful to discussion to see who jumps on and who holds back.
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:06 am

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Primate wrote: As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.
Unvote


Sens wasn't online (he is now) and I knew that you and Emp wouldn't hammer. I wanted to see if she was willing to accept the lynch. Also, if she claimed a power role, I knew she was lying.
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:10 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Primate wrote: As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.
Unvote


Sens wasn't online (he is now) and I knew that you and Emp wouldn't hammer. I wanted to see if she was willing to accept the lynch. Also, if she claimed a power role, I knew she was lying.
Primate wrote: As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:49 am

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Primate wrote:Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.
Current predictions are 3/6 of these were right. I'm not very good at this.
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:14 am

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Primate wrote:
Primate wrote:Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.
Current predictions are 3/6 of these were right. I'm not very good at this.
Did you ever reveal those predictions? You know...given you're supposed to help find Scum, if you're Town...

KMD, wtf?
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:56 am

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Sens, if sekinj was scum then taking a lynch would be a loss. I put her at L-1 and she is still self-voting. And if she was a power role, she'd never accept a lynch to help the town. So claiming a power role would be the nail in her coffin as scum.

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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:59 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Sens, if sekinj was scum then taking a lynch would be a loss. I put her at L-1 and she is still self-voting. And if she was a power role, she'd never accept a lynch to help the town. So claiming a power role would be the nail in her coffin as scum.

Sekinj is town.
I'm nowhere NEAR ready to even go into the WIFOM game you're promoting here.
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:08 pm

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Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:25 pm

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The current question is when we cut to the chase and lynch empking.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:33 pm

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SensFan wrote:
Primate wrote:
Primate wrote:Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.
Current predictions are 3/6 of these were right. I'm not very good at this.
Did you ever reveal those predictions? You know...given you're supposed to help find Scum, if you're Town...
That's why I didn't put forward opinions that were inadaquately thought about.
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:39 pm

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Primate wrote:
SensFan wrote:
Primate wrote:
Primate wrote:Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.
Current predictions are 3/6 of these were right. I'm not very good at this.
Did you ever reveal those predictions? You know...given you're supposed to help find Scum, if you're Town...
That's why I didn't put forward opinions that were inadaquately thought about.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:40 pm

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Primate wrote:Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?
Its semi-open. There could in theory not be another Power role.
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:55 pm

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SensFan wrote:
Primate wrote:Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?
Its semi-open. There could in theory not be another Power role.
Yeah, sorry, I misread the first post and missed the fact that one of the roles in the power role selection there was a townie.
So what's your reads now?
I don't really think Sekinj is, I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me. I think you're likely to be town also, but, you, in particular, have the experience to be able to pull of the pro-town driver attitude you've been sticking with as scum, and quite possibly the balls to do so, which I think is more relevant. Emptyger was originally one of my pro-town reads, but I'm increasingly going against that primarily because he's the most dubious read that way, and every time I tried to read him from that perspective again, I don't really see it.
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:08 am

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Primate wrote:Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?
The part that sells it is where she is willing to take a lynch. Only a vanilla townie would do that right now. That's why I asked for a claim. If she had claimed a power role, she was scum. She considers herself a distraction and is willing to take a lynch. It's as simple as that.
Primate wrote:The current question is when we cut to the chase and lynch empking.
Do you have a case on Emp?
Primate wrote:I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me.
Wait, what does this mean?
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:13 am

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this discussion proves my point.

I am getting suspicious of Primate though. It seems like he is just going for the easy lynch at this point because he knows everyone is town.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:21 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Primate wrote:Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?
The part that sells it is where she is willing to take a lynch. Only a vanilla townie would do that right now. That's why I asked for a claim. If she had claimed a power role, she was scum. She considers herself a distraction and is willing to take a lynch. It's as simple as that.
You yourself said that no one was online to hammer, and there wasn't really a risk of a hammer that quickly into the Day, anyways. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but you're giving WAY too much credit to a WIFOM argument here, and I don't like it.
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:25 am

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SensFan wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
Primate wrote:Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?
The part that sells it is where she is willing to take a lynch. Only a vanilla townie would do that right now. That's why I asked for a claim. If she had claimed a power role, she was scum. She considers herself a distraction and is willing to take a lynch. It's as simple as that.
You yourself said that no one was online to hammer, and there wasn't really a risk of a hammer that quickly into the Day, anyways. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but you're giving WAY too much credit to a WIFOM argument here, and I don't like it.
Why would Sekinj, as scum, be that confident that no one would hammer. I looked like I was going to keep my vote and surely you'd have been willing to hammer based on the way Day 1 ended and your actions yesterday.

Is there something wrong with WIFOM?
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