Mini 758 - Normalcy (GAME OVER)

[EmpTyger]

I wouldn’t mind following up KoC’s harmless FoS with actual votes, except that my reasons for voting Lowell yesterday are still just as valid today. Added to which are his last second reversal to lynch an innocent.

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Caboose:

Hey everybody.

I'm a one shot cop.

Plum is town.

That is all.

“That’s all”? Declaring someone innocent doesn’t find guilties. Atronach is right- you do seem far too eager to quickly establish your innocence, without any interest whatsoever in actually finding mafia.

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One shot power doesn't make you town.

Yes, it does.
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No, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. And I really don’t like that you are insisting that it does.

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The "Your mod is moving to Arkansas" Votecount

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Not Voting:

Riceballtail, Atronach, EmpyTyger, Caboose, Benmage, Lowell, Plum, Kieraen, Knight of Cydonia, dejkha[/b][/color]

6 to lynch

[Knight of Cydonia]

Call it a stretch if you want, but I'm actually defending myself from what Atronach said in this quote.
When he said something about people "jumping on me" I know very well that it's because of the SpyreX flip yesterday. Everyone knows good and well that if SpyreX flipped scum yesterday, no one would give my wagon a second look.

Wowzer. Uhm... here. Gold medal for long jump. It's yours.

[EmpTyger]

Actually, yeah,

vote: Lowell

[Caboose]

“That’s all”? Declaring someone innocent doesn’t find guilties. Atronach is right- you do seem far too eager to quickly establish your innocence, without any interest whatsoever in actually finding mafia.

Of course I'm eager to establish my innocence.
And if I had no interest in finding mafia, I wouldn't have even bothered to tell you guys my investigation results.

[Riceballtail]

For now, I will believe Caboose, as we have no reason to discredit the claim.

That said,

FoS

KoC for trying to discredit it so quickly.

[dejkha]

Why doesn't a one shot cop mean he's town? I think I may have misunderstood the game mechanics or something. I got the impression that you don't always have the same night action (if you have one). If that's the case, then I think that means Caboose is town, because I don't think you change factions, only night actions...

As Emp said, the reasons to vote Lowell are still valid, so I'll be sticking with it.

Vote: Lowell

[Lowell]

I'm an idiot. Totally neglected this game?

Are these votes because I hammered a townie? Or are there actual, non-opportunistic reasons?

[Lowell]

... and I 100% believe the caboose claim.

[Lowell]

vote riceball

almost entirely for 154. I hate posts like that.

[Benmage]

For now, I will believe Caboose, as we have no reason to discredit the claim.

That said,

FoS

KoC for trying to discredit it so quickly.

Yeah I too feel no reason to distrust what Caboose said about himself and plum.

That being said

vote KoC

.

[Benmage]

vote riceball

almost entirely for 154. I hate posts like that.

what..the hell was wrong with post 154??

Lowell's posting is so odd.

[Kieraen]

RBT. Why do you so easily believe it. I'm gonna vote on you. I agree with plums arguments against you yesterday, but think you generaly slipped under the rader yesterday.
Points for you to argue against.
[quote:"RBT"]So far I like Spyre. Not a fan of the Lowell/KoC thing.
[/unquote]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this? It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them?

I also dislike that you are selective in your suspicion. You have ALL the reason to doubt CABOOSE's claim and KoC is absolutely correct to want to discredit it within reason.

Why do you believe Cabooses claim so easy?

And can you post longer than five lines?

[Knight of Cydonia]

For now, I will believe Caboose, as we have no reason to discredit the claim.

That said,

FoS

KoC for trying to discredit it so quickly.

Yeah I too feel no reason to distrust what Caboose said about himself and plum.

That being said

vote KoC

.

Way to jump on the wagon. I express natural worry about a role-claim and "clearing" of someone in the first post of the day, by someone who admits he only claimed so early to pre-empt any (again, natural) suspicion of someone who was arguably one of hte scummiest players of Day 1 (himself), and suddenly it makes me scummy. Yay craplogic.

[Riceballtail]

RBT. Why do you so easily believe it. I'm gonna vote on you.

But you didn't.

I agree with plums arguments against you yesterday, but think you generally slipped under the radar yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. It's helpful to do such things as town, as they do not look to me for their suspicion.

Points for you to argue against.
[quote:"RBT"]So far I like Spyre. Not a fan of the Lowell/KoC thing.
[/unquote]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this?

It's pretty straight forward if you ask me.

It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them?

Not on page 3...

I also dislike that you are selective in your suspicion. You have ALL the reason to doubt CABOOSE's claim

and we have plenty of reasons to believe the claim too.

and KoC is absolutely correct to want to discredit it within reason.

And I can't find it suspicious that he wants to discredit it so quickly?

Why do you believe Cabooses claim so easy?

I see no reason not to.

And can you post longer than five lines?

Good luck on that.

That said,

VOTE:Lowell

almost entirely for 158. Voting someone you agree with is awfully scummy.

[Plum]

My thoughts here in

indigo

. Not messing with the Mod's chosen color here .

RBT. Why do you so easily believe it. I'm gonna vote on you.

But you didn't.

I agree with plums arguments against you yesterday, but think you generally slipped under the radar yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. It's helpful to do such things as town, as they do not look to me for their suspicion.

But as town your number one priority is scumhunting. Avoiding suspicion is a secondary priority. As scum, your first priority is avoiding suspicion. And my main problem with you is that you seem to be playing from a scum mindset, not a town mindset, as evidenced by your attempts to slip under the proverbial radar instead of do much scumhunting at all.

Points for you to argue against.
[quote:"RBT"]So far I like Spyre. Not a fan of the Lowell/KoC thing.
[/unquote]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this?

It's pretty straight forward if you ask me.

It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them?

Not on page 3...

Couldn't you have explained a bit more about why you distrusted them? Also, you claimed to have answered that question yesterday. Honestly I do not see where you stuck it. Point it out, please?

I also dislike that you are selective in your suspicion. You have ALL the reason to doubt CABOOSE's claim

and we have plenty of reasons to believe the claim too.

and KoC is absolutely correct to want to discredit it within reason.

And I can't find it suspicious that he wants to discredit it so quickly?

Why do you believe Cabooses claim so easy?

I see no reason not to.

And can you post longer than five lines?

Good luck on that.

Contribute substance in your <5 line posts, then?

That said,

VOTE:Lowell

almost entirely for 158. Voting someone you agree with is awfully scummy.

Bull. Just because I take the same stance as another player on one facet of the game (like whether to believe Caboose's claim or not) does not mean I can't find another player scummy for other things. That said, was Lowell's reason for voting you adequately explained? Not really. I plan to ask him about that specifically at the bottom of this page. For example, I myself am inclined to believe the claim, just like you seem to be. That doesn't change the fact that I suspect you (that said, some factors may be inducing blindspots, and I'd like to do a reread specifically investigating this subject).

@ Lowell - explain what you didn't like about RBT's post 154? Your own posts early Day 2 look somewhat similar - so what's the difference?

Would someone like to summarize the case on Lowell (briefly, if you're so inclined)?

More later (I have conjunctivitis!).

[Plum]

EBWOP:

Vote: Riceballtail

[Lowell]

RBT. Why do you so easily believe it. I'm gonna vote on you.

But you didn't.

I agree with plums arguments against you yesterday, but think you generally slipped under the radar yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. It's helpful to do such things as town, as they do not look to me for their suspicion.

Points for you to argue against.
[quote:"RBT"]So far I like Spyre. Not a fan of the Lowell/KoC thing.
[/unquote]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this?

It's pretty straight forward if you ask me.

It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them?

Not on page 3...

I also dislike that you are selective in your suspicion. You have ALL the reason to doubt CABOOSE's claim

and we have plenty of reasons to believe the claim too.

and KoC is absolutely correct to want to discredit it within reason.

And I can't find it suspicious that he wants to discredit it so quickly?

Why do you believe Cabooses claim so easy?

I see no reason not to.

And can you post longer than five lines?

Good luck on that.

That said,

VOTE:Lowell

almost entirely for 158. Voting someone you agree with is awfully scummy.

Wrong. We don't agree. I believe the claim, you passive-aggressively sort of agree with it.

[Kieraen]

RBT. Why do you so easily believe it. I'm gonna vote on you.

But you didn't.

I agree with plums arguments against you yesterday, but think you generally slipped under the radar yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. It's helpful to do such things as town, as they do not look to me for their suspicion.

Points for you to argue against.
[quote:"RBT"]So far I like Spyre. Not a fan of the Lowell/KoC thing.
[/unquote]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this?

It's pretty straight forward if you ask me.

It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them?

Not on page 3...

I also dislike that you are selective in your suspicion. You have ALL the reason to doubt CABOOSE's claim

and we have plenty of reasons to believe the claim too.

and KoC is absolutely correct to want to discredit it within reason.

And I can't find it suspicious that he wants to discredit it so quickly?

Why do you believe Cabooses claim so easy?

I see no reason not to.

And can you post longer than five lines?

Good luck on that.

That said,

VOTE:Lowell

almost entirely for 158. Voting someone you agree with is awfully scummy.

The only thing you are right about here is that I forgot to vote against you! There is no logic in your posting just arguments.

Slipping under the radar as a townie is poor town play. Who do mafia go after in the night...? Those who have no leads, like the quieter players perhaps?
How can we find mafia when you make no arguments? We can't.

So...

Vote RBT

[Kieraen]

Lowell I second that, I think before you criticise that play you need to explain your vacuous early posts.

[Kieraen]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this? It's pretty straight forward if you ask me. It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them? Not on page 3...

Can you explain the on page 7 then?....

[Atronach]

Lowell Post #45:

When I have a more complete take on things I'll share, I promise.

Still not there? If we're lucky, you'll have a more complete take on things before lylo /saracasm again. Point is, you still have yet to provide anything of substance. 12 posts, one or two sentences at most, signifying nothing. That was two days into the game and here we are on day thirteen. I think the votes on you currently say it all; post something useful or risk lynch.

Vote: Lowell

Riceballtail: 5 posts total. I believe what you said in Post #116, but since then you have only posted one-liners. No real scum hunting from you.

[Porkens]

I will be in transit all day tomorrow. I hope that I'll be able to check the thread again before the end of the day.

[Benmage]

Way to jump on the wagon. I express natural worry about a role-claim and "clearing" of someone in the first post of the day, by someone who admits he only claimed so early to pre-empt any (again, natural) suspicion of someone who was arguably one of hte scummiest players of Day 1 (himself), and suddenly it makes me scummy. Yay craplogic.

There were no votes on you, simply a FoS...so wagon move..not really.

That being said here is a wagon move:

Vote Lowell

Her posts are absolutely useless. Nothing of real substance. One to two lines.

Plus the move in post 157 agreeing with Caboose and than voting for Rice in post 154..while rice was also agreeing with caboose and thus questioning KoC..whom i still have my suspicions...so all in all quite happy with seeing Lowell eliminated today.

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The "Get over your pinkeye soon, Plum!" Votecount

Lowell (5) - EmpTyger, dejkha, Riceballtail, Atronach, Benmage

Riceballtail (3) - Lowell, Plum, Kieraen

Not Voting (2):

Caboose, Knight of Cydonia

6 to lynch

[Knight of Cydonia]

Benmage, stop lying. The post I quoted when I made that post, which you conveniently cut out, was of YOU voting for me. Now you jump on the Lowell wagon to put it at L-1?
This Lowell wagon is FAR too fast for it to be anything but scum-driven. I sure as hell won't hammer it, and if anyone town has any sense, neither will they.

Vote: Benmage

for out-and-out lying, and jumping on a bandwagon with a nearly non-existent, completely parroted reasoning.

[Atronach]

I believe the point of the L-1 is to get a claim from Lowell, or inspire activity. He need only provide something useful, and not do something scummy his next post to avoid lynch.