War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)
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xyl - are you against the hurting of hoopla? if not, why not join us in hurting hoopla?soi soi soi
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I'll save you the trouble of playing 20 questions here.roflcopter wrote:xyl - are you against the hurting of hoopla? if not, why not join us in hurting hoopla?
People Xyl Is Against The Hurting Of
Xyl
Seraphim
The Fonz
The answer to the second question is "because I have a better target who also has a wagon".#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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"Xyl's ruthless policy lynching won the game." -Vi-
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Kinetic Mafia Scum
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# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,Kinetic(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopterx2?(2?) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)
# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic (3) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)
# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)
# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,Drench(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim (2) Healed by: (0)
There has been no secret damage as of post 356.
Waiting for a mod damage update to determine whether roflcopter's attack on Hoopla counted double.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Pot meet kettle? You have literally written nothing in any of your posts that contain any merit or added anything new to this game that has not already been stated. I am not sure what you feel your contribution has been to scumhunting, but I don't see it.... Your post seems extremely opportunistic and contain nothing more than vague statements to cover the fact you are doing nothing more than joining a bandwagon.Nuwen wrote:
I can support a WaltWishbone hurt now; his most recent attempt at 'scumhunting' focuses only on Xyl, supplemented with a chain of "I agrees." He's just responding to received attention and plucking out convenient stances to support.
Hurt: WaltWishbone - by flavor be purged!
In theory it is a great idea, and it is what most people did to begin the game. However we are just not getting anywhere near a consensus or agreeing on proceeding with a fakevote. The town is mostly splintered; I am going to make the best use of my hurt/heal based on whats been posted thus far.The Fonz wrote:
This is insanely antitown.WaltWishbone wrote: Thank you for the clarification. At his point I am going to return the favor and...
Heal: vIQleS
I propose from now on we masshurt anyone who heals without town consensus.Consider it a policy lynch. THe Walt/ViQ counterhealing is just delaying the death time for TWO of the town's top suspects.
There is a case on Xyl; his play has been extremely erratic since the start of the game and counterproductive. His entire strategy is based on acceptable town casualties, however when you do the math his idea is an epic failure. He has not taken into consideration our power roles and assumes he knows the set-up of this game... In fact he seems to at times slip into statements that would indicate he has full knowelege only scum would know. His case against me is non existent and yet he won't listen to the other people who keep telling him he is wrong.Seraphim wrote:Intent to heal: Xyl
There is no case on him and the people attacking him have no basis and are some of the scummier players in the game. If Zwet flips scum, Juls is next.
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More than 1-liners, by themselves, are not worth town points. What did he sayAlbert B. Rampage wrote:
He posted more than 1-liners.Xylthixlm wrote:Please point to what WaltWishbone has done that gives him town points.inthe more than 1-liners that is worth town points?
One of the main topics of discussion through the course of the first 36 hours was how we would approach this game as a town. There was a lot of input from several different players and I explained my positions on each of these matters (fakevote, hurt/helps, ect) within my posts. I further went into detail on what I think of your strategy and the errors in your formula. I made opinions know on other matters that were and to a small degree still being debated regarding Kinetic, ABR, Tajo's, ect alignments... I am not saying I deserve any town points, I am just saying if MY post is on your barometer for scum, you all need to take a serious look at some other players and Nuwen, you need to take a serious look at yourself.Nuwen wrote:When did post length become indicative of town alignment?
Small post density and sparse analysis are really anti-town in this game, but that doesn't make the opposite pro-town. The likelihood of a long post being written by town or scum is no higher than random. Read what Walt actually posted - it's vacuous position-mongering.
...and this is what's gonna cost the town the game. You are hurting people without any kind of case and I am town. It is a fail strategy, in no uncertain terms. You are not taking into account that if you kill all the townies yourself, scum doen't need to do a thing. You are not considering power roles and making assumptions on things you don't know.Xylthixlm wrote:
No I don't. Here's a peak into the spinning gearwheels of my brain:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Xy, you need a better case on Walt than this:
I start off wanting to killeveryone.
As people do townish things, I move them down the list of people I want to kill. People who don't do townish things stay at the top.
Then I do my best to get the people at the top of the list killed, by whatever means necessary.
So far, WaltWishbone has done almost nothing to move him down the list.-
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Yeah I saw one of your posts earlier telling someone to read Hoopla in isolation. I am gonan do that now or in the morning, as well as look at shinnen and zwet. Although, someone earlier wrote that they either did a meta on him or played with him before and this was zwets normal play style?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Walt, you better hurt shinnen, hoopla or zwet.-
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walt stop stalling and use your hurt, preferably on hooplasoi soi soi
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That's it right there, folks. "You're scum because you're attacking me and I'm town". A complete, 100% OMGUS attack.WaltWishbone wrote:...and this is what's gonna cost the town the game. You are hurting people without any kind of case and I am town. It is a fail strategy, in no uncertain terms. You are not taking into account that if you kill all the townies yourself, scum doen't need to do a thing.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Um no. That quote is saying how if you kill off the townies, the scum don't have to.Xylthixlm wrote:
That's it right there, folks. "You're scum because you're attacking me and I'm town". A complete, 100% OMGUS attack.WaltWishbone wrote:...and this is what's gonna cost the town the game. You are hurting people without any kind of case and I am town. It is a fail strategy, in no uncertain terms. You are not taking into account that if you kill all the townies yourself, scum doen't need to do a thing.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Hurt: Roflfor creating groups of "sure-protown-buddies", very scummy.
With an divine glow, Shinnen unsheathes her longsword, with the speed of a lighting, and swiftly yet precisely strikes the fallen Rofl's back, leaving a trial of fire as the edge cuts both the air and the flesh of the heathen.
I also read back Walt's post, and I couldn't really find a case on him. Xyl accused him of scumlurking, but I don't think anyone with a life can keep up actively to the post rate of this topic. The same happened with Hoppla. Yes, there are a few strange things, but nothing as scum like Rofl's and Fonz' attitude.-
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ABR: Read that post again. His case against me is that I am "counterproductive" and have a strategy based on "acceptable town casualties". You are supposed to infer that I am trying to kill townies, but he doesn't come out and say it. Then he raises the fear of "gonna cost the town the game", and his evidence is thatI am attacking him and he is town.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Read his posts again, but instead of looking for obviously scummy things, look for anything which someone could point back at and say "you were wrong!" later. Then share your results.Shinnen_no_Me wrote:I also read back Walt's post, and I couldn't really find a case on him. Xyl accused him of scumlurking, but I don't think anyone with a life can keep up actively to the post rate of this topic. The same happened with Hoppla. Yes, there are a few strange things, but nothing as scum like Rofl's and Fonz' attitude.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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"Xyl's ruthless policy lynching won the game." -Vi-
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and shinnen just won the award for most obvious scum eversoi soi soi
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ok, once i'm recharged, either shinnen or hoopla is getting another wallop, whichever one is closer to death.soi soi soi
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Or that people don't think there's enough on him, and would rather kill someone already injured so we don't end up with half the town hurt?roflcopter wrote:i'm taking the fact that the only person who has even bothered to comment on what i said about seraphim was xyl, and he's only defending him as town based on some whack meta, as evidence that i am right on the money
Shinnen just hurt a previously uninjured player. KILL HER!Shinnen_no_Me wrote:Hurt: Roflfor creating groups of "sure-protown-buddies", very scummy.
According to your earlier definitions, I'm a moderate.Seraphim wrote:BTW, it's clear that tajo is leader of healer movement and the Fonz is leader of the aggressive movement...actually, I take that back, but he's definitely on the far end of that spectrum. At this point, I doubt either of them are scum.
Fair point.roflcopter wrote:
dude. i never healed anyone and i actively campaigned against this whole stupid healing thing in the first place. dgb healed me, but it was non consensual.The Fonz wrote:Albert B. Rampage, Nuwen, populartajo, q21, roflcopter, vIQleS, WeyounsLastClone, and Xylthixlm
THe above are guilty of partaking in the scum-favouring healing up plan. Putting this here to remind myself in future.
The answer should be 'don't heal.' (Once we have dead scum, we might consider healing damage caused by said scum. And we need to heal Rofl after Shinnen is dead, as per the guidelines on 'lone wolf' attacks I set out earlier. But certainly not yet). Counterwagon.Xylthixlm wrote:
The answer is not "don't heal". The answer is "Every intent to heal cancels out an intent to hurt. Don't hurt someone unless you have more than enough intent to hurts to cancel out all the intent to heals. Don't heal someone unless you have more than enough intent to heals to cancel out all the intent to hurts."
Swing and a miss. I've set out why his plan is hugely detrimental to town- but sticking his neck so far out for it is a protown tell. I'm certainly not ruling it out, but I think he's wrong rather than scum, and that the actual scum will be found in the large group of players much lurkier than Tajo.roflcopter wrote:fonz already broke down why tajo's plan makes him scum,and i already broke down why you two are scum together, and with hoopla no less. since hoopla will be dying this aeon, i'll get back to you next aeon.
Again, who is actually pushing that? If Rage works asKinetic wrote:I'm going to laugh when town loses because the aggressive idiots are pushing the "hurt everyone, what is the worst that can happen" agenda...
If rage works how they think it does, I'm just waiting for the multiple scum kills incoming. -,-Ithink it does- on a time basis- then the scumkills are a worse threat the more we stall.
Does anyone know, PRECISELY, how rage worked last time?
NO NO NO! It is a bad idea IN THEORY!WaltWishbone wrote: In theory it is a great idea, and it is what most people did to begin the game. However we are just not getting anywhere near a consensus or agreeing on proceeding with a fakevote. The town is mostly splintered; I am going to make the best use of my hurt/heal based on whats been posted thus far.
Too many suspects are completely dismissing the objections to them as 'you have no case' which isn't getting us anywhere. For starters Walt, that little 'scratch my back, i scratch yours' thing is a good reason to think you are scum.-
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Oh, and while you're at it, look for anything in his posts which would make you think "I think X is scum" or "I think X is town" if he died and came up scum. Scum don't like making connections to their buddies.Xylthixlm wrote:
Read his posts again, but instead of looking for obviously scummy things, look for anything which someone could point back at and say "you were wrong!" later. Then share your results.Shinnen_no_Me wrote:I also read back Walt's post, and I couldn't really find a case on him. Xyl accused him of scumlurking, but I don't think anyone with a life can keep up actively to the post rate of this topic. The same happened with Hoppla. Yes, there are a few strange things, but nothing as scum like Rofl's and Fonz' attitude.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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QFT. I'm also betting that most of the scum either supported tajo's plan or didn't take a position.The Fonz wrote:Swing and a miss. I've set out why his plan is hugely detrimental to town- but sticking his neck so far out for it is a protown tell. I'm certainly not ruling it out, but I think he's wrong rather than scum, and thatthe actual scum will be found in the large group of players much lurkier than Tajo.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
"Xyl was completely berserk" -dramonic
"Xyl's ruthless policy lynching won the game." -Vi-
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I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to get sick of your complete hate of the healing mechanic...The Fonz wrote:
The answer should be 'don't heal.' (Once we have dead scum, we might consider healing damage caused by said scum. And we need to heal Rofl after Shinnen is dead, as per the guidelines on 'lone wolf' attacks I set out earlier. But certainly not yet). Counterwagon.Xylthixlm wrote:
The answer is not "don't heal". The answer is "Every intent to heal cancels out an intent to hurt. Don't hurt someone unless you have more than enough intent to hurts to cancel out all the intent to heals. Don't heal someone unless you have more than enough intent to heals to cancel out all the intent to hurts."
Its like saying "Everyone has unlimited votes, but you're not allowed to unvote, that is not townie..."
As far as I'm concerned there are some situations where healing is inappropriate (when there is a defined wagon in particular), but there are some situations when healing is not just appropriate, but is the most pro-town thing to do.
Some of these situations include, but are not limited to: Once a set "lynch" is decided, some of the players should heal up players who are not the lynch target. We need to have the highest average health among the town as possible.
I agree, we don't know exactly how rage mechanics work, but that doesn't mean we just ignore how they have worked in the past. A good counter strategy to how rage mechanics worked in the past that does not do ANYTHING to the town is to keep a high average health. And that also means healing players who are both not current lynch targets and healing former lynch targets.
I am getting SICK of players just doing things their own way with no regard to the town at large.
The fact that you are SO against healing and so FOR having a low average town health shows a COMPLETE and utter disregard for pro-town play.
There are points for aggressiveness, but there is no reason for recklessness, and some players, not just you Fonz, are toeing that line way too willingly.Large Theme List Mod Emeritus
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I'm not going to go dig through his posts now when I don't even suspect him at the moment.Xylthixlm wrote:
Okay. Please point out something in any of his postsq21 wrote:Admittedly, in WW's case town points may be too strong a term, but I've seen nothing to make me want to see him dead. If I'm reading him wrong at the moment and he is scum I'm not too worried. Because if he continues to make big/decent length posts he will trap himself. If he suddenly stops he'll be suspicious for that.so farthat could trap him in the future.
Tajo plan is not inherently flawed, but it does require the cooperation of close to the entire town and deadlines that are adhered to. If these are lacking it becomes a distraction. I argued for it for a while because it can work.The Fonz wrote:You've presented your opinion on why town lost many times, you miserable self-centred piece of shit. That doesn't change the fact that you're wrong, and your plan is incredibly scum-benefitting because it will slow the game down and allow the scum to rack up more rage points.
I REPEAT FOR THE HARD OF THINKING: TAJO'S PLAN = HANDING THE GAME TO SCUM.
I am SO fucking angry right now.
Now, though, it has become clear that the time it would take to convince everyone would be more detrimental than adopting any of the plans/conventions on offer. Hence Call to hut Zwet.
Each fallen angel got one rage point every week, Sunday noon if I remember correctly. They could store rage points up to a maximum of 3 and distribute them as and when they saw fit.The Fonz wrote:
Does anyone know, PRECISELY, how rage worked last time?
Shinnen_no_Me wrote:Hurt: Roflfor creating groups of "sure-protown-buddies", very scummy.
With an divine glow, Shinnen unsheathes herlongsword, with the speed of a lighting, and swiftly yet precisely strikes the fallen Rofl's back, leaving a trial of fire as the edge cuts both the air and the flesh of the heathen.
It would appear we have two seraphim, we'll need to wait for the next official hurt count to be sure. If it is the case I'm going to be all for killing Shinnen and if she comes up town rolfcopter is next. I don't see two town seraphim.roflcopter wrote:hurt: hooplawith a giant flaming angelswordof justice"I can't not give mad props to the murderbot 9000 that was q21." - Spyrex, after Scummies Invitational 2010.
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