These are the connections I see between afatchic and populartajo
-Tajo's votes afatchic in RVS then confirms his vote on him. Then afatchic gives rationale about being fearful that tajo would have been lynched in the first couple of posts. Tajo accepts this and moves on.
-Beginning with post 32, tajo is finished looking at afatchic as possible scum. Done. Post
32
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-Beginning in post 49 tajo begins making excuses for afatchic.
-Post 82 afatchic declares tajo as pro-town.
-Post 86 afatchic says that tajo is scum-hunting.
-Post 90 afatchic says yet again tajo is protown
-Post 132: tajo says Afatchic is obvtown.
-Post 142: tajo defends afatchic suggesting it is not possible for him to have a master plan as scum because he is townie playing poorly. @tajo: I don't see it as a master plan at all...I see afatchic as scum playing poorly.
Various questions/comments directed at Tajo
In post 35 you said "I'm waiting for Slicey for next question". Did that next question ever come? I may have missed it?
In post 162 you say that "in the majority of my games there are town players playing poorly that become easy targets for scum, at least for one post". You are saying that but you are basing your whole case that afatchic is town on one post where he asks who he should vig. A total of one posts! You did the same thing on War in Heaven with Cybele. The only thing that I get from this is a meta from you that all someone has to do is say something very pro-town early in the game and you are done looking at them.
Analysis of afatchic's town game that tajo wanted me to read
This is the stuff I get from that game:
1) He tried to pull a town gambit. He put gecko @ L-1 to see if he would try to force a counter claim from one of the power roles. It was a good thought but poorly executed. I actually have more respect for afatchic based on this and I honestly think it weakens tajo's argument that afatchic is just a terrible player. So I
2) He has outbursts as town. That gives afatchic a minor townpoint since he had a little outburst in this game too.
3) Scumhunting. This gives afatchic big fat scumpoints in this game. He has yet to scum hunt. Period. My biggest reason for suspecting him. He at least scumhunted in that game. Show me where he has done it in this game? Again, tajo's argument that afatchic is town playing poorly is weakened.
Responses to tajo's post 202
Can you read any game he plays as town, specially the ones I played with him?
Done.
I appreciate your effort but you dont have a case other than null-tells and things you consider scummy but that in my experience arent exact indicatives od scum
Do you realize that you are asking me to ignore what I find suspicious and only look at what you find suspicious?
Have you ever been in a wagon of a townie playing poorly before?
Yes. I am not sure I see the point?
Could be the questions I made at the beginning, couldnt be?
Your questions were about experience and how someone scum-hunts. Those could have been just as easily made by scum.
Like you are doing?
I'm not dismissing your points, I just disagree with you and have been showing counter example after counter example. In mathematics (which I am minoring in) you cannot make a proof by
n
number of examples that show it to be true but you can disprove by giving 1 counter example. I have given way more than that. I understand this is not mathematics but you get the analogy I hope.
Responses to tajo's post 209
I usually play that way and you and Crazy have an idea how I play as town. If I think someone is town (even worse, if I peg him as town playing poorly) then its very probable that there is scum in the attacks. Doesnt this make sense to you?
Have you ever been wrong?
There is not the possibility of me town preventing a potential mislynch of someone I think its town?
Of course, there IS the possibility but I see a lot of connections between you two and its hard to ignore them.
Responses to tajo's post 211
If I am right about her he made the typical scum mistake of going against the easy target, all-attack mode.
Read my masonry game (link in my wiki)...I went all attack mode on a townie as a townie. This is how I play when I feel strongly about someone. If you want to know how I play as townie, Artem has played with me as townie in my newbie game. I did the same thing there. I went all attack mode on not one but TWO townies. Sometimes I miss, sometimes I hit.
Crazy has a trend of backing off arguments when pushed a little. In Post 51 he starts down a line of questioning with Artem then in post 55 he changes his mind and stops. Another instance is when in Post 117 he changes his vote to afatchic after Artem and I pressure him for having it on tajo and keeping him at L-1. Somewhat akin to that is when he says he thinks Artem and I are a scumteam in Post 183 and then never really goes anywhere with it. It seems as if he may have been testing the water a bit to see if anyone would bite.
Although I get town vibes from Crazy for the following posts:
-Post 88: points out that afatchic was previously concerned with quick lynching but now is complaining about people not voting.
-Post 119: Points out and questions why afatchic thinks tajo is protown.
@Crazy: In post 98 you were on board with an afatchic/tajo scum team...what has happened to change your mind?
Regarding my views on Artem.
I have been asked a couple times why I believe Artem is town. The following posts give me a strong townie vibe from him:
Post 37 - Calls tajo on asking questions without providing analysis of his answers.
Post 61 - Townie explanation of why he voted afatchic then later unvoted him.
Post 95 - solid analysis of what afatchic and tajo is saying/doing especially regarding the vig threats.
Post 169 - Excellent catch of a potential tajo scum-slip.
