Open 121: Two of Four (b9) - Over! before 752

[SensFan]

@sens - where am I on your list????

I have three lists:

"People that should be pressured D1 unless they play better than usual"
*For the sake of political correctness, I won't name names

"People that should be looked at D3 if they haven't caught Scum"
*Poor Glork...

"The rest"

[hewitt]

So then where did I go wrong D1 in your opinion SensFan since I'm assuming I'm in that first list of yours.

[veerus]

Vote Count XVI:

Kmd4390 (0):
Primate (0):
hewitt (3): SensFan, Kmd4390, Empking
Empking (0):
sekinj (0):
SensFan (1): hewitt
ZazieR (0):

Not voting (3): Primate, sekinj, ZazieR

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch

Deadline: March 25, 2008, 2100 CST

[hewitt]

Well since I'm at L-1 I'm going to throw in that if I do get lynched I would have to urge the rest of the town to get rid of SensFan who would've have now gone after two town players.

[hewitt]

I think it's very obvious that I'm not an anti-town player, I'm pro-town and that hammering would just add another loss for the town.

[SensFan]

So then where did I go wrong D1 in your opinion SensFan since I'm assuming I'm in that first list of yours.

Your Day 1 play was decent, and not list-worthy. Your play changed DRASTICALLY to anti-Town and anti-Sens RIGHT AFTER I HAMMERED SCUM.

[SensFan]

Well since I'm at L-1 I'm going to throw in that if I do get lynched I would have to urge the rest of the town to get rid of SensFan who would've have now gone after two town players.

For fuck's sake. You never answered my previous post about your 3 options as it pertains to talking about the zwets wagon.
You also seem to have conviniently forgot to mention that zwet wasn't lynched.
You

ALSO

seem to have conveniently forgot to mention that I hammered Scum.

[SensFan]

I think it's very obvious that I'm not an anti-town player,

Which is why you are at Lynch-1...

I'm pro-town

Refer to my and Emp's comments about DCJ's Post 0.

and that hammering would just add another loss for the town.

Refer to my comment on the above portion. Also, some nice Appeal to Emotion. Also, no claim.

[hewitt]

First of all my my play did not change once you hammered SCUM and that is was revealed I was upset after you hammered. I showed I was upset before it was revealed not after. And on top of that you didn't hammer because of the reasons you stated later you hammered out of spite of me.

I've stopped talking about the zwets wagon so I obviously picked option c and the reason why is because the fact is zwets claimed cop and then scum nightkilled him because he turned out to be the cop. But that wouldn't have happened if he didn't think he was at L-1 and claimed. So take responsibility for the fact that your actions caused zwets to claim and then in turn scum killed him.

And it's not appeal to emotion it's the truth and I haven't been telling anything but it all game, if you want me to claim then fine I'm vanilla.

[SensFan]

First of all my my play did not change once you hammered SCUM and that is was revealed I was upset after you hammered. I showed I was upset before it was revealed not after.

Right. But my point is that you KNEW he was Scum...

And on top of that you didn't hammer because of the reasons you stated later you hammered out of spite of me.

I hammered because I thought he was Scum, not out of spite for you.

I've stopped talking about the zwets wagon so I obviously picked option c

Oh really? Because 2 posts ago you brought up the fact that if you are hammered, I will supposedly have wagonned 2 pro-Town people...

and the reason why is because the fact is zwets claimed cop and then scum nightkilled him because he turned out to be the cop.

Yep. That's generally what happens when someone claims Cop.

But that wouldn't have happened if he didn't think he was at L-1 and claimed.

I know its a technicality, but he didn't claim at L-1. But sure, he was wagonned to a claim. In case you didn't notice, that happens every day in a game of Mafia. And more often than not, especially Day 1, the wagonee is Town.

So take responsibility for the fact that your actions caused zwets to claim and then in turn scum killed him.

Nope. I take no responsibility for that whatsoever. If he played the fucking game, he wouldn't have had to claim.

And it's not appeal to emotion

Saying 'OH NOES I'M TOWN DONT LYNCH ME PLZ!!!" is Appeal to Emotion.

it's the truth and I haven't been telling anything but it all game

*points to above*

if you want me to claim then fine I'm vanilla.

I support a hewitt lynch.

[hewitt]

Yes you're right in that I did know he was scum but I urged not to hammer yet because I wanted to get more information out of him in hopes that it would lead to connections with his buddies and now D2 we obviously have no idea who that would be. And I didn't say you wagonned two pro-town people I said you wagonned two townies. The problem I had with you wagonning zwets was that it was so fucking early in the game that it was unnecessary.

And I would just love to point out how you made a correlation between me becoming anti-town once I started becoming anti-SensFan.

[SensFan]

Yes you're right in that I did know he was scum but I urged not to hammer

(You're not supposed to admit that you know people are Scum before they die...)

[hewitt]

Possible bad word choice but I was answering your question so I didn't think to change it.

[hewitt]

Ooooh actually I didn't understand why that word KNEW was bolded until now. It's saying that I knew he was scum because you're saying I'm scum as well, gotcha. I thought you were saying that I agreed with you that thinking Darkcoffeejazz was scum when he got lynched which would be true.

Clever.

[sekinj]

Zaz - I looked back at dcj and sesn and I'm just not seeing these big events you want me to see. DCJ's play seemed weird and scummy, but it also just seemed very foriegn to mafiascum. he always refered to "where he came from". and the only think i could see sens doing was the hammer of dcj.

and I don't know who I would have voted day 1, I can't second guess that given the D2 info I have now. I can just point out people I think are scummy now which is what I am working on next.

I don't think this line of questioning is going anywhere. If you have a point please make it.

[Primate]

@Primate
Because I'd like to know everyone's opinion of DCJ. Especially as BSW (the one you replaced) never gave her opinion, I'd like to see what you have to say about him.

No, I won't, then. It's not relevant currently. Would have been previous to his lynch, now? no.

[sekinj]

@hewitt - I see nothing in your meta that shows you are against policy lynches. so, why this big fight with sens regarding his voting of zwet?

i am very ready to hammer

[hewitt]

@hewitt - I see nothing in your meta that shows you are against policy lynches. so, why this big fight with sens regarding his voting of zwet?

i am very ready to hammer

Because I really don't think zwets deserved it, based on my past experiences with him I don't think he's the strongest player but I don't think he's exactly useless and especially right out of the gate.

[hewitt]

Okay before anybody hammers (because if someone does this could potentially be useful for later) who's honestly voting for me because they think I'm scum and exactly why.

I am a vanilla townie so if I do get hammered it's going to be the work of scum so for the town's sake answer the question.

[sekinj]

I think you are scum because you are being overdramatic in your reactions regarding dcj, and zwet. I cannot find meta to support your play in this game, and in fact the meta I do see is in direct contradiction. (no link because of ongoing games).

[hewitt]

Okay well before you hammer I'd really like to hear from the others who have their vote on me.

[hewitt]

And could you explain what the contradiction is?

[sekinj]

the contradiction is your stance on policy lynches. you seem fine with it in meta, but fought it (or somethign very similar) tooth and nail in this game.

[hewitt]

the contradiction is your stance on policy lynches. you seem fine with it in meta, but fought it (or somethign very similar) tooth and nail in this game.

I'm not dead-set on certain things I don't think you can play this game and say I'm going to policy lynch this person every game or I'm always against policy lynches. You have to play situationally and I don't think the policy lynch on zwets was founded enough in this game. And can you point out please what game you're talking about? Because if it's one of two games I'm thinking of then I actually have something to add to this.

[sekinj]

no, i can't, because I'm not going to discuss ongoing games.

I understand slight shifts of view depending on the game or situation. however, you fought SO HARD against sens, acting like you couldn't even fathom the idea. that's not a situational shift of thought.