Open 121: Two of Four (b9) - Over! before 752

[SensFan]

Wow SensFan that was completely unneccessary. I don't think the bandwagon on him was sound whatsoever, that's all I've been saying and that's my standpoint on that issue obviously. You freaking out on me isn't going to change that.

The only things you've brought up to back up that argument are (a) 'his meta said he was pro-Town' and (b) 'you killed our Cop'

(a) Show me fucking games where he was Scum and played even half-decently
(b) Respond to "The fact he was Cop means shit all"
OR (c) Shut up about the zwet wagon being scummy

[sekinj]

Sens is just saying that we can't double guess ourselves. If DCJ had flipped town I'm sure you'd be all over the rest of the players about that one too, but he played scummy (in some ppl's opinion), and flipped scum. zwet, played scummy (in some ppl's opinion) and flipped town. okay. let's move on.

[sekinj]

^^@hew

[hewitt]

Sens is just saying that we can't double guess ourselves. If DCJ had flipped town I'm sure you'd be all over the rest of the players about that one too, but he played scummy (in some ppl's opinion), and flipped scum. zwet, played scummy (in some ppl's opinion) and flipped town. okay. let's move on.

Okaaay well do you think he was playing scummy?

[SensFan]

Answer my post, hewitt. It was posted before the one you quoted, and you seem to have conviniently ignored it.

[hewitt]

At this point I've decided it's over with and my opinion is known so that's pretty much all I care about. I don't think you're a very smart player and you were playing with a personal vendetta against zwets. I don't think that was a clever move and it ended with a bad result, again, obviously.

[sekinj]

Sens is just saying that we can't double guess ourselves. If DCJ had flipped town I'm sure you'd be all over the rest of the players about that one too, but he played scummy (in some ppl's opinion), and flipped scum. zwet, played scummy (in some ppl's opinion) and flipped town. okay. let's move on.

Okaaay well do you think he was playing scummy?

that's not the point. enough people though he was playing scummy to get him at L-1. that's the point. That has to mean the majority of the townies thought he was scummy.

[hewitt]

True but I asked for your personal opinion. And doesn't have to be just townies who voted for him.

[Primate]

we killed our cop when we lynched zwets.

Pssst...Town didn't 'lynch' or 'kill' zwet...Or did you mean that you killed him at Night?

And because you keep bringing it up, maybe this will get the message through...

THE FACT THAT ZWET WAS THE COP HAS NO BEARING ON THE SOUNDNESS OF THE BANDWAGON ON HIM.

HET FEIT DAT ZWET COP WAS HEEFT GEEN INVLOED OP DE GEFUNDEERDHEID VAN DE MUZIEKWAGEN OP HEM.

LE FAIT QUE ZWET ÉTAIT LA CANNETTE DE FIL A LE NON PORTANT SUR LA SOLIDITÉ DU MOUVEMENT SUR LUI.

DIE TATSACHE, DASS ZWET DIE SPINDEL WAR, HAT NR. MIT NACHDRUCK AUF DIE STICHHALTIGKEIT DES FAHRENDEN WAGENS AUF IHM.

ΤΟ ΓΕΓΟΝΟΣ ΟΤΙ ZWET ΉΤΑΝ Η ΣΠΌΛΑ ΔΕΝ ΈΧΕΙ ΚΑΜΊΑ ΣΧΈΣΗ ΣΤΗΝ ΥΓΕΊΑ ΤΗΣ ΜΌΔΑΣ ΣΕ ΤΟΝ.

IL FATTO CHE ZWET ERA LA SPOLA HA NO RIGUARDANTE LA SOLIDITÀ DEL CARRO SU LUI.

ZWETが警察官だったという事実は彼の楽隊車の安定度に関係ない。

ФАКТ ЧТО ZWET БЫЛО ПОЛИСМЕНОМ НЕ ИМЕЕТ НИКАКОЙ ПОДШИПНИК НА ЗДРАВОСТИ ГРУЗОВИКА С ОРКЕСТРОМ НА ЕМ.

EL HECHO DE QUE ZWET FUERA EL POLI TIENE NO CONCERNIENTE LA VALIDEZ DEL CARRO DE LA BANDA DE MÚSICA EN ÉL.

*Note: Only the first sentence (English, in Dark Red) should be taken as an official statement. The other sentences are translations of the first, using BabelFish, in the hops you will understand one of them.*

I think I like you.

[SensFan]

At this point I've decided it's over with and my opinion is known so that's pretty much all I care about. I don't think you're a very smart player and you were playing with a personal vendetta against zwets. I don't think that was a clever move and it ended with a bad result, again, obviously.

Sorry, but I consider myself quite the 'smart player', and I have no 'vendetta against zwets' whatsoever.

[hewitt]

Mmmhmmm so that's why you said you were going to vote against zwets until he changed his playstyle for you?

[sekinj]

how does this line of questioning help us scumhunt?

[SensFan]

Mmmhmmm so that's why you said you were going to vote against zwets until he changed his playstyle for you?

That's not a fucking vendetta. That's wanting everyone to pull their fucking weight.

[ZazieR]

ITT Sens proved that Babelfish sucks...
Do you want to read the real translation in Dutch ?

Sekinj, that wasn't the only reason why DCJ was seen as scummy. So what did you think of his other actions?
Primate, can you give some reasons why you saw DCJ as scummy?

[sekinj]

zaz - as I said, I probably would have excused his piling on votes and voting for bad reasons as just not being used to mafiascum. If you have something particular you want me to comment about, please say which post.

[Primate]

Primate, can you give some reasons why you saw DCJ as scummy?

Sure I can. Purely out of interest though, why should I be spending time doing that when I could be improving and posting my reads on players who are alive? Genuinely curious, not trying to be flippant.

[ZazieR]

@Sekinj
I just want to hear your opinion of DCJ in general. However, so far you've only talked about one part of his posts. There were other things DCJ has said or done as well. You don't have to respond to a specific post of his as long as you give a general opinion that isn't based upon only one part.

@Primate
Because I'd like to know everyone's opinion of DCJ. Especially as BSW (the one you replaced) never gave her opinion, I'd like to see what you have to say about him.

[sekinj]

zaz- he had a total of 10 posts, he really didn't have a huge stake in the game or do a ton of things. My general opinion of him is that he seemed scummy, but I probably wouldn't have voted him because I would have believed his bit about not being used to mafiascum.

that is my general opnion of dcj. I really don't know what else you are trying to get. Please point out a specific action or example if you want more.

[ZazieR]

You've got nothing to say about his contradiction? Or his reason for the unvote? And you might want to look again at his defence, to see why his defence was bad.
You can also look at the reasons Sens had given. What do you think of those?

Also, if you wouldn't have voted DCJ, who would you have voted day 1?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Hewitt

Hewitt's last posts have been unbeleivably scummy.

Sekinj: If they're just here to follow grudges or mess around (Hohum and Hewitt) then maybe. If they're trying to scum hunt then hell no.

[hewitt]

Unvote

Vote: Hewitt

Hewitt's last posts have been unbeleivably scummy.

Sekinj: If they're just here to follow grudges or mess around (Hohum and Hewitt) then maybe. If they're trying to scum hunt then hell no.

How have I been following grudges?

[SensFan]

Pretty sure you're in the second category.

Oh, and for an ironic note, if you flip Town, you will join zwet on my list of players.

[hewitt]

Pretty sure you're in the second category.

Oh, and for an ironic note, if you flip Town, you will join zwet on my list of players.

Am I supposed to care?

[sekinj]

@sens - where am I on your list????

[sekinj]

@zaz - thank you for mentioning specific things you want me to address, I'll look at those and let you know.