Open Setup Certification Group

[Lord Gurgi]

If I had the time right now this post would be a list of the open games in numerical order, with a link to each game, name of the setup, number of players, ect...

or I would edit this page on the wiki to contain that information.

the page for Open 5 http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Open_5
is pretty awesome. Should it be the model for other open games?

Am I alone in thinking that we should do the setup's wiki page (w/ links to examples) as well as each specific game page (w/ link to setup page) before we certify any?

I endorse this product or service.

[Mr. Flay]

Am I alone in thinking that we should do the setup's wiki page (w/ links to examples) as well as each specific game page (w/ link to setup page) before we certify any?

You could probably guess that I think it's an excellent way to clarify/collaborate on making the setup Just So.

[Adel]

Flay, I can't remember, what was the problem with California? Why was it dropped as the newbie setup? Was it a balance issue?

[shaft.ed]

Flay, I can't remember, what was the problem with California? Why was it dropped as the newbie setup? Was it a balance issue?

There is a bug that Kison picked up on in which the town auto wins with a Roleblocker lynch day 1.

[Adel]

meh. If the scum let their Rb get lynched day 1 they totally deserve to lose. Just like if the town let their cop and doc claim (without lynching the RB) on day 1 they deserve to lose.

[mith]

That's Pie E7 (or the part of F11 with both power roles), not California. (But I agree with Adel.)

The main reason for the move in the newbie games was to move to 9 player games (which are inherently less swingy and won't have a D2 lynch-or-lose). Not sure what the balance is on California (almost certainly in the scum's favor, and would probably be a better game with 9 than 7, but not unplayable with 7). That reminds me of a thread I want to start.

[Lord Gurgi]

Is there a reason that 2:4 nightless is a horrible idea?

[Adel]

That's Pie E7 (or the part of F11 with both power roles), not California. (But I agree with Adel.)

er... is there a RB in California?

California is a new 7-player setup being tested in Newbie Games; it contains only one power role, a Sane Cop, along with two Mafia Goons and four Townies. The name comes from a suggestion by xyzzy, based on the code for C9.
See also California Trilogy, an unrelated game series being run by mith.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... California
appears to be the same as "Cop C9" which was run as Open 4 http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Open_4
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4098

Pie E7 is an Open Setup game which features a Day Start and consists of the following roles:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker (for balance reasons, the Roleblocker should also be able to nightkill even if the Goon is dead; see this thread for arguments on the matter)
1 Sane Cop
1 Doctor
3 Townies
This setup was used for a time as a Newbie Setup as a replacement for the somewhat unbalanced C9, but turned out to be somewhat unbalanced toward the Town.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pie_E7

yeah, this just convinces me that it is necessary to compile all of the information on existing setups and games before we worry about setup analysis, debate and certification.

[shaft.ed]

Is there a reason that 2:4 nightless is a horrible idea?

I thought 2:10 was already difficult for town

[Lord Gurgi]

Is there a reason that 2:4 nightless is a horrible idea?

I thought 2:10 was already difficult for town

That has nights.

[shaft.ed]

Is there a reason that 2:4 nightless is a horrible idea?

I thought 2:10 was already difficult for town

That has nights.

...I knew that...
Wouldn't that equate to 2:5-6 nightless then?

[Lord Gurgi]

Is there a reason that 2:4 nightless is a horrible idea?

I thought 2:10 was already difficult for town

That has nights.

...I knew that...
Wouldn't that equate to 2:5-6 nightless then?

Not really. The best townies will die a horrible death in 2:10. Also there's kill WIFOM. 2:4 nightless would have purely day-analysis. It would be the ideal strategy to comb over what has been said, look at relationships, and go over meta, rather than deal with any night WIFOM. I say it is fair, because each side can suffer one mislynch.

[Lord Gurgi]

So you guys know which nightless setups (vanilla and non-vanilla) have already been run?

Not a clue. Do you want to hock Lovers Mafia again?

[Adel]

hock?

(sorry for deleting my post. I was trying to say something different, and failed.)

[Lord Gurgi]

hock?

(sorry for deleting my post. I was trying to say something different, and failed.)

Sell for

crazy

low prices.

[mith]

Adel, I know there's no RB in California; you asked about California, shaft.ed answered about Pie E7.

[Adel]

Adel, I know there's no RB in California; you asked about California, shaft.ed answered about Pie E7.

Thanks. My memory failed me (I only recalled liking the setup) , and between the responses from shaft.ed and you I was totally confused. I even had to look at some setups run as "California" in Road to Rome just to make sure I was no longer confused.

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this is the direction I think we should take:

1. Name steering committee.
2. Compile completed Open Game information (including open games run by mods in the mini-normal queue?) on the wiki to enable evidence-based discussion.
3. Identify "least controversial" setups for the first round of certification.

[shaft.ed]

why is this starting to feel like genetic nomenclature?

And I think I'm rapidly demonstrating my lack of qualification for this endevour.

[Lord Gurgi]

this is the direction I think we should take:

1. Name steering committee.
2. Compile completed Open Game information (including open games run by mods in the mini-normal queue?) on the wiki to enable evidence-based discussion.
3. Identify "least controversial" setups for the first round of certification.

Why is name steering important?

[Adel]

er, name the members of the steering committee.

[Lord Gurgi]

This is the format I was planning on using for when I go through all these games to catalog them. Any recommendations or changes would be best before I set out to do it all.

Open 1

- Pie E7

Overview:

• ¬ Patrick (
  Mafia Roleblocker
  )
  ¬ Rosso Carne (
  Mafia Goon
  )
  spectrumvoid (
  Townie
  ) - Lynched Day 1
  ShadowLurker (
  Doctor
  ) - Killed Night 1
  klebian (
  Townie
  ) - Lynched Day 2
  ChannelDelibird (
  Cop
  ) - Endgamed
  Primate (
  Townie
  ) - Endgamed

Synopsis:

Day 1

• spectrumvoid: 4 (Patrick, Primate, Rosso Carne, ShadowLurker)
  klebian: 2 (ChannelDelibird, spectrumvoid)

Night 1

• ChannelDelibird investigated klebian (Blocked).
  Patrick blocked ChannelDelibird.
  Rosso Carne killed ShadowLurker.
  ShadowLurker protected Patrick.

Day 2

• klebian: 3 (ChannelDelibird, Patrick, Primate)

[Lord Gurgi]

er, name the members of the steering committee.

Ah, yes, that would be one of the necessary steps.

[Adel]

LG: a minor suggestion:
for the night actions, how about the uniform format: name (role) action: target (role) (result).

example:

• ChannelDelibird (Cop) investigated: klebian (Townie) (no result -- blocked).
  Patrick (Mafia Roleblocker) blocked: ChannelDelibird (Cop) (blocked investigation result).
  Rosso Carne (Mafia Goon) killed: ShadowLurker (Doctor) (dead).
  ShadowLurker (Doctor) protected: Patrick (Mafia Roleblocker) (protected).

I know that for many of these games that much detail will be seen as unnecessary, but I think that the extra information will go a long way towards prevention future confusion.

[Lord Gurgi]

This is the format I was planning on using for when I go through all these games to catalog them. Any recommendations or changes would be best before I set out to do it all.

Open 1

- Pie E7

Overview:

• ¬ Patrick (
  Mafia Roleblocker
  )
  ¬ Rosso Carne (
  Mafia Goon
  )
  spectrumvoid (
  Townie
  ) - Lynched Day 1
  ShadowLurker (
  Doctor
  ) - Killed Night 1
  klebian (
  Townie
  ) - Lynched Day 2
  ChannelDelibird (
  Cop
  ) - Endgamed
  Primate (
  Townie
  ) - Endgamed

Synopsis:

Day 1

• spectrumvoid: 4 (Patrick, Primate, Rosso Carne, ShadowLurker)
  klebian: 2 (ChannelDelibird, spectrumvoid)

Night 1

• ChannelDelibird (Cop) investigated: klebian (Townie) (no result -- blocked).
  Patrick (Mafia Roleblocker) blocked: ChannelDelibird (Cop) (blocked investigation result).
  Rosso Carne (Mafia Goon) killed: ShadowLurker (Doctor) (dead).
  ShadowLurker (Doctor) protected: Patrick (Mafia Roleblocker) (protected).

Day 2

• klebian: 3 (ChannelDelibird, Patrick, Primate)

Fixed.

[Adel]

looks good. Should there be a line that states that the game is over?

are you going to use the gamebox template?

Code: Select all

{{gamebox
|sort=05
|thread=4229
|forum=Little Italy
|mod=Yosarian2
|mod2
|modtext
|setup=Switch
|outcome=Mafia
|outcome2
|status=Completed
|notes
|}}

from http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Open_5