Mini 756: La Cosa Nostra - Over!

[PhilyEc]

/confirm!

[PhilyEc]

5 more to go! Sweet avatar by the way Archon~

[PhilyEc]

Vote: Ztife

for having a name I'll never understand...

[PhilyEc]

Lawl~

Perhaps people should add some sort of note to a post when its not serious =P

[PhilyEc]

@Seraphim

LETS ABREVIATE >:] AVINS (Above Vote Is Not Serious)

Its actually suprisingly catchy! o.O
Okies CAKE and MOVEMENT

Trumpet is at L-4 not too bad but three people are holding back on their randoms

Thus~ ZTIFE IS A GOOOOOON~!!

AVINS ;]

[PhilyEc]

[Shakes Goon-dar at Ztife's face]

Need I? >:3

Also, Rice is at L-4, my bad. =P

[PhilyEc]

People people, its obvious the cake isnt a lie!

...but the icing ontop is...

[PhilyEc]

L-2, ho noes!

Where'd the urge come from Archon? Plus is it possible you could just copy the top of your message (date and sender) then slipped in the role that KoC already quoted at the beginning of the game?

Odd joke if it is one .o.

[PhilyEc]

L-2, ho noes!

Where'd the urge come from Archon? Plus is it possible you could just copy the top of your message (date and sender) then slipped in the role that KoC already quoted at the beginning of the game?

Odd joke if it is one .o.

[PhilyEc]

[Sorry for the double post earlier!]

@ThAdmiral

What if its a fake?

[PhilyEc]

Archon, your move doesnt make much sense concerning pro-towniness, though I'm gonna read the rules again because your last post made me think I'm forgetting something.

Perhaps AWA is sad because the cake was a lie? SCUMTELL mwahahaha.

[PhilyEc]

Since its a closed type game, role wise. Im gonna watch more first.
Could be anything really. Though this is my first proper game in Little Italy.

I know from more fast paced versions of this game that those with the role 'Fool' enjoy getting lynched.. Its in their objective.

Thats the best I want do for now Archon

[PhilyEc]

B-but hes happy about it...

[PhilyEc]

Tsk Tsk Finchy boy. Why do you want to rush the lynch?

[PhilyEc]

It may be a big joke but peopl, seriously. L-1 is an unsafe position to come to. Anyone bringing down the hammer will be voted off next afterall.

As for Finch, I'm assuming his role is one that's goal is to be lynched asap. I think its called the Fool.


Also @ Seraphim
Im bringing it up because roles are closed, doesnt that mean anything could go?

[PhilyEc]

Well why else is he acting so obvious? It seems too easy a lynch to me. I'll discourage any attempt to lynch without proper answers.

Why would you want to see Finch go? What has he done exactly besides act like a caveman and lie? It obvious he'd get corrected so I'd say his role is fool or jester, or something similar, goal being to get removed.

Wouldnt it be a waste of a lynch to do so?

[PhilyEc]

Also, phily is earning scum points from me for being this active, but yet not really pointing out anything or posting any good discussions yet. So what do you think of me putting rice at L-1? Do you think this action is pro-town or pro-scum? Do you think a hammer for rice is going to happen?

Since when has being eager to play one's second game EVER been scummy? I'm the new type thats always checking his games and posting asap, I still have a ton of fun doing so.

I think putting Rice at L-1 is extremely anti-town, not pro-scum. To be politically correct you've either made a bad choice or else you truely are playing in a pro-scum manor. We're just past the joke phase so I dont realy feel I have enough to go on yet to accuse anyone, especially since roles seem to be very various due to Rice not objecting strongly to this instant wagon, Finch talking like a caveman and lying, Archon posting his role, and Seraphim questioning me for searching for a jester when hes the one who brought that role up.

Does anyone want to explain their actions or can I keep tilting my head at these weird posts?

[PhilyEc]

Oh and sorry for not answering your last question Ztife, the thing is, in my other game going on (Newbie area) the hammer DID come down very quickly on Day One, though it happened on Page 10 it was still very unexpected since 3 players made it clear we dont want a hammer to happen.

I advise at least one of you unvote now before we end up losing what could be a cop or doctor.

(Sorry for triple posting )

[PhilyEc]

Wouldn't be a waste of a player space to keep him alive?

My policy for Jesters: kill them and get them out of the way. If we hit LYOL, we do not want a neutral role like that lying around. Scum will not kill him as he is a waste of an NK...in fact, optimal scum strategy is to keep Jesters lying around for that specific purpose.

Best to kill him now.

FoS: PhilyEc

for blatantly defending AF on the grounds that he might be a Jester.

I'm defending our first vote. Finch would be a waste of it.

How bout we try to find scum before we go lynching someone we know isnt scum,that is, if you agree with my theory that hes looking to be lynched.

We might have a clash of opinion here because I think identifying Jesters is important, it lets us identify Scum more easily.
Seraphim, you seem like you're in a rush to lynch quickly, getting rid of a 'Jester' on Day One instead of looking for scum seems redundant and ineffective.

As for Scum keeping around Jesters, I dont really get why, can you explain why thats an optimal strategy for them? Am I missing something here about how its good to lynch Jesters before looking for scum?

[PhilyEc]

Where to start...I am not protecting the guy, you seem to think I am. I

think its a bad idea to go after someone who's lied about someone the Mod could confirm easily. It would take a very smart scum player to figure acting so anti-town would make them look like they want to be lynched but then not get lynched because this too was obvious.

I said Finch MIGHT be fool, for wanting to be lynched. This isnt utter bullcrap, why do you think this role isnt possible in a closed role game?

Since I think he might be a fool (call it Jester if you must) and this is a very strong might to me, I think we can take scum points away from him. Is it in the Jesters goals to get lynched by the way? Because in the Mafia games Ive played (they were like application/Java multiplayers) Fool Roles' goal is to be lynched.

What do you think he is according to his actions? You did vote for him afterall.

[PhilyEc]

Where to start...I am not protecting the guy, you seem to think I am

But you are. You're saying we shouldn't lynch him even though he faked a PR, which is very, very scummy...which is protecting him.

I said Finch MIGHT be fool, for wanting to be lynched. This isnt utter bullcrap, why do you think this role isnt possible in a closed role game?

Jesters are very unpopular on this site, and while it is possible, I find it very unlikely that he is a Jester.

Since I think he might be a fool (call it Jester if you must) and this is a very strong might to me, I think we can take scum points away from him

So, he's less scummy because he's acting scummy? Acting like scum and faking a PR is scummy. Regardless of whether or not it's blatant, we should still lynch him unless he has a good explanation for why he did what he did.

Is it in the Jesters goals to get lynched by the way?

Yes.

What do you think he is according to his actions? You did vote for him afterall.

I think he's Mafia.

1. You're jumping the gun here. I'm protecting the vote thats there to lynch mafia. Not Jesters. You still havent convinced me as to why we should get rid of a Jester instead of scumhunting.

2. Fair enough, i'll take your words for it but is it possible a custom role has been created? Or maybe hes just acting very drunk? His actions dont completely indicate hes scum. With the theme of the game I'm now thinking hes more likely to be terribly drunk (perhaps Mod informed him he'd drank too much in a PM, no idea).

3. Its extremely blatant, and instant, that leads me to think such strange behaviour has some unique motive behind it. How could anyone make such an obvious mistake?

Note: I think Finch is most likely 'Role orientated to want to be lynched' or else

extremely

drunk. Why else did he talk so weird? I wont dismiss the fact that he could just be a terrible mafia player, its possible but I dont think its likely.

Seraphim, you dont seem open to my opinions, instead you dismiss them as being acts scum would undertake. This is as good as ignoring my input and not good for the town. Listen to what I have to say and give me something more constructive please.

[PhilyEc]

Oh cmon! XD

Mod: Is there some PM you're sending around informing players as to when to behave in a drunken manor?

[PhilyEc]

Pain happy not good. Archon suspicious because bad. We have a month. Lets lynch riceballtail scum.

What do you mean? Mod made me. Trying my best. You are bad man.

unvote, vote: Archon. Do not trust scum.

Aha. vote: PhilyEc

All his posts are incoherant and if pronounced to yourself in your head, either sound like the words of a caveman or else a drunk.. Anyway, I'm gonna try confirming with Cydonia.

Btw, Finch, unvote first then vote for me.

I dont think I'm understanding either, I've made it clear I think hes more than likely not scum for being too scummy, I dont deny this. Finch, gargle if you're under some sort of influence O_o

Seraphim, please explain to me why he is scum. I'm all ears.

[PhilyEc]

Mod: Dun' ignore my question T_T

I'm guessing this is the effect you were going for.

[PhilyEc]

Thanks for fixing my post <3

Question:Is there some PM you're sending around informing players as to when to behave in a drunken manor?

Answer?:May I remind players that an unvote must be made in bold before any subsequent vote will be counted.
There are currently 0 Post Restrictions in effect. If y'all keep pissing me off, this number may rise as punishments for jackasses.
Please have fun. As valued members of LaCosaNostra Corp, we want you to have fun.

Meep ._.

[PhilyEc]

Drunk? No. PR? No

unvote, vote: PhilyEc

Thinks I am jester. Only scum say that. Bringing up is scummy. What else?

It isnt scummy trying to figure why you claimed the Mod was restricting your votes, but I think you already know that.

I'm allowed

think

whatever I like of you until I know why you're playing so strangely.

[PhilyEc]

restricting your words**

Apologies for the typo.

[PhilyEc]

Riceball, what do you think of the fact that in Finch's 8 posts hes accused at least one person of being scum?

I'm going to the Roles list to see which description he matches O_o Hes really trying to entice people into voting for him.

Post 0. Confirmation
Post 1. He accuses Riceball + Vote
Post 2. He accuses Archon
Post 3. He rushes a lynch on Riceball
Post 4. He accuses Archon (bad man) and claims Mod is restricting him.
Post 5. He accuses Archon + Vote
Post 6. He accuses PhilyEc + Vote
Post 7. He accuses PhilyEc + Vote

Who would possibly play like this if they were just normal mafia? Why is he acting so insanely?

[PhilyEc]

The Fool can only vote randomly.

In some werewolf implementations, the Fool is a random-sanity Seer (a cop that detects werewolves).

If this isnt Finch's role I will eat this shirt I'm wearing. Hes dont nothing but vote around randomly and use bad grammer. Acts of a fool.

[PhilyEc]

@Trumpet.

Read my last two posts.

Finch is acting like a fool not Jester, this is something implied by Seraphim

Now that thats been established. I have to agree with you about getting rid of Jesters, but what makes you think hes Jester? Seraphim also confirmed as well as Juls that its unlikely that he is one.

He behaviour fits the description of a fool to the tee with all his random voting and strange talking.

I feel like everyones going mad right now, seriously!

[PhilyEc]

Wait that sounds wrong O_o'

Seraphim brought up the Jester term, not I.

[PhilyEc]

His voting lacks good backing, he merely moves on from one person to another. I find this random. His words are those of a fool also.

"Me Tarzan." Kinda talk deserves attention.

[PhilyEc]

Since this is a closed set up, there really is no way of knowing. Jester's in a pub seems unlikely but a fool in one is more probably. Just a third party to make things a bit more diverse I'd say.

We can't decide if Finch is a Fool by just assuming Knight is unlikely to pick such that role. Its very possible due to our scene's location. Locked up together, a Fool seems a good choice in such an enviroment.

This is all just my opinion.

[PhilyEc]

Ich, you're right to point that out, I was thinking of mykonian's game I'm playing at the same time. I'm finding it hard to remember what page I'm looking at (damn tabs).

Ignore the 'locked up' & 'pub' parts, its from a different game. This is Spanish town, great depression, gotta remember that.

@ Juls
Whats your opinion on Finch's role? Which seems more likely, Third-Party or Mafia?

[PhilyEc]

You are either being a) stupid scum or b) distracting townie; either way, its not good for town.

I'd feel distracting townie could be third party and in that case my question really isnt answered.

Which seems most likely to you right now?

[PhilyEc]

Oh.. I get what was meant by random now.. I thought it was just the fact that he kept turning on people. That does eliminate Fool in ways, unless the random is during wider intervals..

Still, this leaves me more sided with voting for him, I'd do so if Mod hadnt messed up the vote count. Juls' vote was ignored, thus he's at L-1 right?

[PhilyEc]

I tend to agree. I can see AF point on behaving erratically and waiting to see mafia jumping at him, but I think it would be hard to differentiate from annoyed townies who jump on a scummy character who is not helping much, unless his brilliant gambit exposes blatantly some mafia scum.

Agreed.

Its an inaccurate strategy and depends on how well informed players are. Those who voted could be suspicious townies rather than mafia. That said a wagon piled up very quickly, L-1 was approached and I doubt it was all town voting either.

I think theres at least one mafia members within "Seraphim, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls"

Unvote

[PhilyEc]

I quoted Mafia's wiki. At the time I was working under the theory that Finch was a fool and not scum.

Now I think otherwise since he 'fessed to a weak gambit attempted at the very start of the game.

[PhilyEc]

Fool Role = Random Voter Role

I quoted Wiki earlier to make this clear. Do you want the link? Because I copy and pasted the text to describe what a fool's goals are and how one behaves.

[PhilyEc]

Juls, I dont see how this isnt clear, where are you going with this because it looks like you're over analysing my words into the wrong context. Its very clear what I stated Fools do and what Finch did.

[PhilyEc]

I quoted Mafia's wiki. At the time I was working under the theory that Finch was a fool and not scum.

Now I think otherwise since he 'fessed to a weak gambit attempted at the very start of the game.

You have yet to answer the question. Does no one else see what I see? You said a fool is someone who wants to be lynched in 4 posts. Then, you quoted a wiki that said nothing like that for the fool role. Please explain the discrepancy.

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
---
[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
---

Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and Archon~

@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

[PhilyEc]

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
---
[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
---

Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and

Archon

~

@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

Explain

You're suppost to isolate what you want explained. If its about the entire post then, I like this game thus I post. *teehees before receiving a smack*

[PhilyEc]

@Finch

I see a thought process, I'm willing to believe you on it. It seems like the genuine truth.

[PhilyEc]

@Ztife

Quick and simply;

1. How many bandwagons have developed during this game in your opinion?
2. Were you in support of all of them?
3. Comparing wagon trend in suspicion to Ztife trend in suspicion, they seem to be moving together. Can you explain how I may be wrong?

[PhilyEc]

Little Italy
Moderator: List Mod

Users browsing this forum: Riceballtail, Trumpet of Doom

Latest post from the two combined was almost 2 hours ago yet they seem to be lurking. I'd like both of you to input soon since you both seem avaliable.

[PhilyEc]

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
---
[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
---

Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and

Archon

~

@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

Explain

You're suppost to isolate what you want explained. If its about the entire post then, I like this game thus I post. *teehees before receiving a smack*

*coughIboldedmyname.whatdoyouthinkIwantexplainedcough*

Well you were part of the finchy wagon, simple as~ You even asked me why I originally didnt put your name up and now you ask why I have.

I missed you on the vote count because you unvoted while the others didnt. :3

*coughIdontthinktalkinglikethiscoughisgoodforourlungscough*

[PhilyEc]

@ Ztife

1. Thanks, that does help and its good to summarise this event into a single text, itll be a good point of reference later on.

2. You're making alot of sense rather than trying to confuse, the basis of pro-town behaviour is good logic in my mind. Even though scum can go about logically with their behaviour it turns out logical only if a townie has been acting very scummy. Either way the town doesnt have perfect knowledge of eachothers roles thus making me think 'lynching a possible-maf or useless townie is better than lynching any other possible-maf or useful townie'.

3. Nevermind, the question is irrelevant now.

---

@ThAdmiral

You seem to think Finch has lied but with all thats gone on I'm a bit confused as to what he did. Was it about the post restrictions? Please elaborate for myself and those possibly interested in knowing what you're getting at.

[PhilyEc]

Always a good first question over something that important, why?

Why have you claimed already Porkens? Lets get it straight before chaos unfolds.

[PhilyEc]

@ Porkens

Both I and Finch ask you the same question yet you only point me out as being neutral? I wanted clarification and technically I got it.

As a compulsory Vig, I've got no choice anyway. I'm not going to try to hide the fact that I'm murdering folks. It would just come back to haunt me anyway. Would you believe me day 3 if I came out and claimed this? I think not.

With that said, your claim is believable.

@Seraphim
What makes you think I'm

incredibly

scummy? You seem to be exagerating as up until now the only reason I can think of is the fact that I pushed the idea that Finch could be scum, other than that I've not done much else. Your vote is being wasted right now, assuming you have the towns best interests at heart.

[PhilyEc]

@Porkens, I believe he was talking in the third person, like Gollum does. o.o

@ Juls, I've said this twice to you now havent I? I thought he was a fool at first and relied on my knowledge of what fools goal is from 'epicmafia.com' then Seraphim challenged that idea, insisting that I meant Jester, it made me look up the difference between the two and in that pursuit I learnt fools dont attempt to get lynched , they random vote constantly.

I've listed the thought process that went through this confusion, I guess the closed set up had me a bit too restless.

Back @ Porkens,
Whats a scum billboard? something like obviousness?

[PhilyEc]

-.- I wanna make a kebab outta you now.

Anyways, I'd like to point out Seraphims behaviour when I suggested Finch might be fool.

Sera isolates the following part of my post

Since its a closed type game, role wise. Im gonna watch more first.
Could be anything really. Though this is my first proper game in Little Italy.

I know from more fast paced versions of this game that those with the role 'Fool' enjoy getting lynched.. Its in their objective.

What I said above the italics was that he could be anything thus the fact that hes acting so suspicious and earning himself a ton of votes indicates this could be his goal. I threw in a maybe, he made it seem like I was 'positive'.

...why in the world are you bringing Jester up?

I had brought up fool, you brought up the term Jester.

As for Finch, I'm assuming his role is one that's goal is to be lynched asap. I think its called the Fool. (Edit:Yes Juls, this is where I was mistaken about the goals of the role, suprised it earned me a vote though)

@Seraphim
Im bringing it up because roles are closed, doesnt that mean anything could go?

Or the Jester...and once again, I have to ask...why are you searching for the Jester? Are you trying to discourage his lynch already?

Again implies that I'm saying Jester when Im using the role fool as reference since the two are different!

Well why else is he acting so obvious? It seems too easy a lynch to me. I'll discourage any attempt to lynch without proper answers.

Why would you want to see Finch go? What has he done exactly besides act like a caveman and lie? It obvious he'd get corrected so I'd say his role is fool or jester, or something similar, goal being to get removed.

Wouldnt it be a waste of a lynch to do so?

Trying to be diplomatic here, I say fool OR jester OR something similar (i.e. third party)

Best to kill him now.

FoS: PhilyEc for blatantly defending AF on the grounds that he might be a Jester.

Protecting our vote, and used the term once since you kept insisting its what I was saying. You're misleading the town and trying to draw suspicion on me and Finch at the same time, hence the votes and FoS's.

To address his claim that I was basing my defense of our vote on the grounds that its a waste to get rid of a 'Jester' I took the diplomatic route and used this word Sera kept insisting on;

I'm defending our first vote. Finch would be a waste of it.

How bout we try to find scum before we go lynching someone we know isnt scum,that is, if you agree with my theory that hes looking to be lynched.

We might have a clash of opinion here because I think identifying Jesters is important, it lets us identify Scum more easily.
Seraphim, you seem like you're in a rush to lynch quickly, getting rid of a 'Jester' on Day One instead of looking for scum seems redundant and ineffective.

As for Scum keeping around Jesters, I dont really get why, can you explain why thats an optimal strategy for them? Am I missing something here about how its good to lynch Jesters before looking for scum?

No, I never said that AF was a Jester. I'm saying that AF isn't a Jester and your blatant defending of him by saying he is a Jester is complete and utter crap. Of course I'm going to wait for him to defend himself but faking a PR is scummy, no matter what you say.

From the guy who was force feeding me this word constantly just so I'd start using it and then to pounce on me the second I do, I think its a bullshit way of finding anti-town. You insist my goal is to defend Finch even when I state otherwise and provide my logic behind that attempt and tell me that I'm saying hes a Jester.

There is a difference between a Jester and a Fool. I care little for someone trying to gambit compared to how noticable I find your attempts to throw suspicion on me are, either you are tunneling on me for the sake of the town or else to ignore the fact that I've already explained what it was I was defending.

I said Finch MIGHT be fool, for wanting to be lynched. This isnt utter bullcrap, why do you think this role isnt possible in a closed role game?

Jesters are very unpopular on this site, and while it is possible, I find it very unlikely that he is a Jester.

Sera's quote is a reply to mine. 'What the hell' is all I can entitle it.

Phily: I don't think you understand. I'm not open to your suggestions because you seem dead-set on not lynching a scummy player because he's acting scummy. That's your defense of him and it doesn't make sense.

Big twist of the situation AGAIN. I'm dead set on preventing common placed lynches on town players in day one, seems to be the case the majority of the time. MY defense on him doesnt exist.
I am defending our vote yet you keep dragging down my posts into a context that I want to see Finch safe from a lynch, as long as theres credible proof through analysis and conclusion I have no problem voting Finch. In this case everyone simply jumped him for taking up a poor strategy early in the game, I think he was being ambitious. Fact is, you and most of the town leapt on him till he was close to being lynched. I didnt want to see our lynch get wasted so early into the game so I protested and explained Finch may be acting out on his role.

Vote:Seraphim

his misleading behaviour is something I find scummy. Hes confusing what it is I'm doing for the town and I think it was deliberate.

[PhilyEc]

Also, what do you think of Phily defending AF since almost the beginning of the game by saying that AF is a Jester/Fool/whatever...?

My god man, show some discrepancy at least! You've just repeated yourself AGAIN.

I wasnt defending Finch, I was trying to stop scum from highjacking our vote. A wagon developed on Finch extremely quickly which tells us that scum hopped onboard. To prevent us making the classic mistake of eliminating someone for simply standing out in Day One I tried reasoning. In response my words got twisted by Seraphim.

I think he wants this lynch to occur due to ill intentions. Hes not convinced Finch is scum yet he is convinced Phily is scum for not being convinced Finch is scum.

Your wordplay doesnt hide the fact that your suspicions are backwards.

[PhilyEc]

How did you know that AF is town? You seem convinced I'm scum but you also seem convinced that AF is town or a third-party...the idea that he might be scum never crossed your mind?

Q1. Did I say he is town? No, I dont know what he is thus I aint voting for him. I think third party is pretty much out the window since I was mistaken about the fool roll and the meaning of random votes.
Q2. I'm pretty convinced you're scum yes, but I havent the foggiest idea as to what Finch really is (mainly because I was stuck debating with you while the important stuff happened). The idea that hes scum crossed my mind but your behaviour afterwards took all my attention and made me very suspicous of you for obvious reason.

This brings me to the point where I am second guessing my decision. I am suspicious of Seraphim for insisting I am defending and insisting I wanted to use the term Jester. Its more of a personal effect on my vote which is why I'll retract it for now, not really enough to want to see you lynched for.

Unvote

Ztife's post makes me want to re-read through Finch's excuses. Seraphim, we might be able to get along afterall if hes right <3

[PhilyEc]

Hmm Finch thinks Ztife is scum, Ztife thinks Finch is scum.

Finch thinks PhilyEc is scum, PhilyEc thinks Seraphim is scum, Seraphim thinks Finch is scum.

Could all the above be town? It would explain the lack of posting after Porkens claimed.

Note for reference:

If I were you, of course 1stly I would kill somebody whom I have a very strong suspicion for being maf. If not, I would lynch lurkers or people who possibly trying to lie low, since I guess most mafias would not want to attract too much attention, and by lynching a lurker townie the damage wouldn't be as severe as a participating townie.

You'll have to learn to type at some point, y'know.

^ Me likes.

[PhilyEc]

ack farzil@srsv['[~#@*^&%$&']]]]]]]]]]]].

Mod, fix meh quote above please T_T

[PhilyEc]

Seraphim: 2 (PhilyEc, Juls)
ThAdmiral: 1 (Atticus.Finch)
Porkens: 1 (Simpor)
PhilyEc: 1 (Porkens)
Ztife: 1 (PhilyEc)
Atticus.Finch: 5 (Seraphim, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Ztife)

Not voting: Trumpet

That is correct, right? I think its needed right now. Hope it helps~

[PhilyEc]

Well in Finch's case, he accuses ThAdmiral of wagoning with poor reason.

I've asked ThAdmiral for his reason, if it is valid then doesnt that put Finch at a disadvantage. Also* People accusing you or me of being scummy usually provide reason(s). I dont agree with your post =\

I don't think it matters that much if people thought who was mafia and such if there was sufficient reason.

Not really getting what you mean here. Are you saying it doesnt matter much if people thought someone was scum for good (sufficient) reason?

[PhilyEc]

Lies~

>:3

[PhilyEc]

And I now see two votes by me

God PhilyEc cant even see who I'm voting for! >:[

*coughwhatanoobcoughlasttimeyoulltrustmeforacountcough*

[PhilyEc]

Quadruple Vote: Knight of Cydonia for editing

Grr! >:[

@Ztife

Okay that makes alot more sense, I believe Archon doesnt know whats going on and I don't blame him, its very wishy washy behaviour in my eyes.

Sordros seems to be getting quiet as has Simpor. They laid down votes and now havent said a thing, me no likey.

[PhilyEc]

@Trumpet

I've made it very clear where the disagreement was at and you've warped it into an arguement of likelihood, I wasnt going 'What the hell' at his approximation of likeliness of Jester, I was using 'What the hell' at the term Jester being brought up constantly. Point given that the way I was describing fool was wrong but I was simply mistaken there.

Anyone who has read my previous post will most likely cock their heads at 218.

You're reaching for a reason to vote me. Either way, I support the idea Sera has, AF does seem scummy and if he turns out town I really dont mind being voted next, this games gone batty and I ain't havin' fun.

FoS:Trumpet

if lynching of me comes to be.

Unvote

if I havent already and

Vote:A.Finch

[PhilyEc]

*Watches cadburies add as we await ze result*

...I want that balloon...

[PhilyEc]

Sorry to see ya go influenza buddy Gong to reread game to refresh my memory on whats happened. For now I'll post this crappy/quickie of an evaluation.

---

Well at least Archon's contribution helps. There is 1 roleblocker and 1 goon left as well as 6 innocents (best term I can think up).

[reads Simpors posts in isolation]

Hmm..pretty useless. Only thing I see is that he leeches off of Ztife's posts. Could be buddying, could be trying to look town.

[reads Ztife's posts in isolation]

All the posts are helpful and informative, allow progress into the game and have densely packed content. Pro town points added.

Leeching is the case, Ztife is pretty much cleared to me.

[PhilyEc]

Ridiculous.

PhilyEc and Ztife are my picks for the other two scum

You don't think his posts have helped the town in identifying scummy behaviour?

[PhilyEc]

Oh, sure they have. But stating that he's next to cleared for posting well is...hey, we went over this.

Lookin' at the vote count makes me think otherwise. I'd be suspicious of those pushing for the Finch lynch rather than suspicious of two players because one considers the other 'pretty much cleared'.

Sordos fits the bill pretty nicely upon first look as next most likely scum. Shoot him in my place >_>

[PhilyEc]

Obviously I'm not going to suspect myself, I doubt all 7 of the votes are mafia either. In my opinion scum is down to the following:

Seraphim
RBT
ThAdmiral
Sordros

Obviously I dont intend for you to take it up, this is for the town to see. If I am lynched/NK'd I want these 4 to be highly suspected =\

[PhilyEc]

Hmm, its the only way of proving my point to be genuine and even if I'm dead, if town wins that puts me in the win. Lets go for it since even the almightly vig is convinced its a good deal~(only true confirm at the moment)

Vote PhilyEc

[PhilyEc]

Are you sure you're just not fearing some part of your pride being damaged after I turn up town? Why would scum encourage town to lynch him in this kind of situation? I think its a good way of dealing with this problem.

i) You get a 1 or 2 in 4 chance of knowing who the scum are when I turn up town.
ii) You get 1 scum left after voting off PhilyEc when I turn up scum.

Either way seems beneficial dont you agree?

[PhilyEc]

Reason is above you, its good for the town, when I turn up town that'll pop you in as wrong.

[PhilyEc]

Great leaping gazelles Seraphim! I said wrong not scum! Thanks for topping my suspect list with that assumption though Everyone that votes cant be discerned as scum or town as their reasons are all most likely the same.

I dont care if they vote me thinking its scummy, the result will be the same and its what I want.

[PhilyEc]

Town has absolutely no reason to vote for themselves.

Did the town say that? I thought only you did. That quote is incorrect as I am town and I have a reason for doing this. Sorry for confusing you, it really does suck.

The first four on the wagon are possible scum but the last three are cleared?

Scum can encourage a wagon (start) , hop on a wagon (middle) or even pull down the hammer (end). I know I'm not scum, I very much doubt Ztife is scum and Porkens is cleared. Thus you 4 are possible scum, at least one of you IS scum.

I like how you roll with events, very easy on the uptake for readers.

Thats the hammer yes? Quick wagon, very quick. I think I have narrowed things pretty well under such a reaction from part of the town.

[PhilyEc]

Few seconds more and you couldve gotten more valuable reactions, ah well. In any case. I was town, thus you don't need to wait as long.

I'd look at Sera/ThAdmiral for next scum~

[PhilyEc]

If you really are town Phily please don't self vote yourself like that ever again unless information will be gained from it....real information. There was nothing to gain from it so therefore it only seemed like a gambit to stop "seem" townie.

Had the hammer not been swung down so violantly I'd disagree. You'd have receieved a mix of reactions to work from out of Seraphim, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros.

Unfortunately ThAdmiral didnt want this to last very long and ended it within about an hour of postage. I dont mind being lynched, but I do mind Sera and ThAdmiral tearing apart the length of time avaliable for the rest of the town to get involved. Remove one of them.

[PhilyEc]

How is it my fault? You turned Porken's vote on you into a wagon.

There are two kinds of votes: votes to apply pressure and votes with intent to lynch. Seeing as you can't have been applying pressure on yourself, I certainly assumed you were voting to lynch yourself. And I was more than happy to oblige you as there is no good reason, even reactions, to vote yourself.

Ignoring that my point is about the time given to take in reactions. Pro-town behaviour would have been a calm and timely approach then a lynch, get some content for the day, y'know? You seem to have wanted the opposite. A quick lynch is always scum driven thus I think Admiral and or Seraphim are the last scum.

Hope I've helped, putting my faith into players I think can handle this.

[PhilyEc]

(Note: Porkens is obviously not scum, the f#@k Sera)
I AM reckoning, the people who are possible scum are:
You and Admiral as well as RBT and Sordros, quit BSing. Majorly first two, minorly second two after experiencing the quick lynch.

Notice the needless guess on who hes going to kill. He wants Ztife dead as well without scum taking it up. Vig directing ¬¬

Self vote was to get me lynched AFTER we hear from everyone. I hadnt planned scum would rush the vote unfortunately.

Seraphim, you're digging that hole there deeper and deeper. Unless town randomly decide to ignore you they'll see how badly you're manipulating facts.

[PhilyEc]

Setup for the game was awesome KoC, Porkens, gotta hand it to you, your spider-pig senses won the game for sure. I hope my quick lynch helped your aiming of Seraphim in some way even if it only helped point him out for further studying~

ThAdmiral, apologies for dragging you under the spotlight.