Mini 756: La Cosa Nostra - Over!

[ThAdmiral]

Lied about what? I don't believe I lied at all, I just didn't clarify anything until a much later time.

Denying it is not going to do you any good.

[Simpor]

Well I'm ready to vote for finch.

I agree with Ztife's post 147 and so far he is the most suspicious one.

[Atticus.Finch]

Lied about what? I don't believe I lied at all, I just didn't clarify anything until a much later time.

Denying it is not going to do you any good.

Well, not pointing out specifically what I lied about isn't doing me much good either..soo...can't really do anything until I know what I lied about.

I'm not denying anything. I don't know what I am supposed to confirm/deny in the first place..so help me out?

[Atticus.Finch]

I have to go right now. I REALLY want to respond to some more things, particularly Ztife's post, but I can't for another few hours. so..patience.

[Archon]

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
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[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
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Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and

Archon

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@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

Explain

[PhilyEc]

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
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[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
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Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and

Archon

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@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

Explain

You're suppost to isolate what you want explained. If its about the entire post then, I like this game thus I post. *teehees before receiving a smack*

[Atticus.Finch]

I kinda figured that AF was gambiting...but, seriously, there was no reason to lie in order to gambit. There are a lot easier(and less rule-breaking) ways to gambit in this game.

Missed this part, but first off, I had no idea what I did was against the rules. In this mini theme game I read, this townie faked a PR the entire game, and it worked out well. The mod was in that game, actually, which is how I found it.

In order to gambit, you kind of have to lie or confuse the town, in order to get results.

From the wiki:
"A gambit is a gamble, isn't it? Something harmful/risky to one's agenda which hopefully pays off?"

What I did was risky. It did make me look bad. But what I did wasn't really scummy. I figured if I faked a PR, the worst that could happen is that scum would waste a nightkill on me, instead of killing someone much more important than myself. I never SAID I had a PR (even though I wanted to hint at it with the "mod made me" line) but figured the reactions I would get from the players during Day 1, when I would fake it, and then on Day 2, when I was planning on stopping, I would catch something. But I had this really good plan, and then the mod kind of swooped in and put a stop to it. I guess I should've asked first, but I didn't know better, but now I know for future reference, you know.

[PhilyEc]

@Finch

I see a thought process, I'm willing to believe you on it. It seems like the genuine truth.

[Atticus.Finch]

Lets all read and comment this "really important post." My responses will be in bold, okay.

@Finch, that was a lousy gambit, if not, i'm beginning to see how it actually distracted town from good discussions.

It was lousy because I didn't get to pull off. The only good gambits are the ones that are successfully done. I am inexperienced, I only read about gambits after I joined. Gambits are hold to pull off, but I felt ambitious. Because it failed, yes, it did distract the town..FROM THE RVS...which is what we needed, to get the game started, but I doubt we would've got any better discussions than the one we're having currently, right?

Reactions are good, but not when they have little potential to hold any true content.

"Little potential to hold any true content". Not sure what this means, but every reaction is good. They might not be of much use day 1, but..let's say hypothetically..we're on Day 4. We have lynched Scum A. We look at his reaction from this stage. It could be very helpful and might help us catch Scum B.

Your gambit gameplay was to the point of

stupidity

, without the possibility of being a fool, no townie will even want to have you around, unless there is a much better high chance mafia lynch today.

Thanks for calling me stupid. It wasn't stupid. It was well thought out. Poorly educated. Stupid? Maybe for my own status for the game, because I seem the most likely to be lynched at the present. I don't understand why there is so much discussion about a fool, or why that is even a likely thought in anybodies minds. I have greatly stepped up my gameplay, and once people discover that I am a benefit to the town, they will want me around. Your last line makes me think that "I am the lynch, until a stupider townie comes along and makes for an easier lynch for us to kill you". It is really scummy.

The debate was more on whether you are a fool or not, since being a fool will be bad for both scum and town, therefore it does not help in drawing a line to determine who was scum or town.

A fool role is VERY unlikely. The debate was stupid. It just seems like a poor attempt at lynching me based off of nothing, rather than evidence, no?

In fact, since the discussion was more about fool or not, and that goes to show that most people were ready to lynch you, if not all. The reasons I can see from defending you is because of your "language barrier", and about "fool" or not. That has

nothing to do with scum-hunting

imho. Perhaps I haven't checked properly, if you could see any reason that might help us suspect scum/town, please let me know.

Most people were ready to lynch me? Yeah, about less than half, otherwise I'd be gone. That is hardly most and very far from all. If I were you, I wouldn't speak on behalf of the other players. They have a voice too. Speaking of, people are defending me much more than because of the language barrier, or the fool thing, it's because they see through the poor attempt at an easy lynch and see that I am town. I really don't understand the rest following the "That has..please let me know" part. Sorry. You worded it very confusingly.

Oh, and you were asked to give an

analysis

, but posts 134 and 142 is what I call giving an opinion, they tell me 0 about how you consider scummy or not, where your suspicion comes from, etc. In fact, most of the posts is ranting about how "wonderful" your "little trick" was etc.

I was asked. Did I say I give one? No. I gave my thoughts on stuff, which is kind of what we're supposed to do in this game. I assume you mean who rather than who? Well, I was getting to that. My little trick wasn't really wonderful. Not at all. It was poorly educated, sucked, and put me in this godawful predicament. Do you think I wanted it to end up this way? lol.

Im more inclinced to think that you were being random and all, and then come up with an excuse to try to shrug it all away since your "joke" wasn't even funny to most people.

Nope. It wasn't an excuse, nor was a joke. Maybe that's why it wasn't funny. It wasn't supposed to be.

Im addressing this to

all the rest

. Look at post 99. Its obvious that sordos is bandwagoning. How is his act of bandwagoning help us identify how more or less of a scum sordos is? Just purely on this post and action alone, you can't even tell anything.

Bandwagoning IS scummy. Oh wait..this is not addressed to me. But anyways, Bandwagoning without reasons is scummy, especially when you don't back up your vote with solid reasons (preferably ones not recycled from other players). I disagree entirely with your last post.

Votes are extremely important on D1, since the only tool town has is votes and discussion, because mafias can basically say anything that a townie can, but will seldom lynch their own fellow mafias.

Um..Mafia can buss day 1. It's kind of pointless if they are doing it unless they have a scummy partner, but mafia lynch mafia all the time. Town lynch town. Town lynch mafia. Votes are important. So is discussion. AND SO IS REACTIONS to the discussion. Which was the point I was attempting.

If you were a mafia, then the rest of the people who didn't vote for you are most likely mafias, and then this is a good strategy to confuse the townies into thinking each other as mafias. If you were townie, like I said all your gambit did was to cause confusion for town, I don't see how people who voted for you or not seem more scummy or not. Your gambit was ineffective and really, pardon me for using this word,

extremely stupid

.

I am not mafia. Even if I was, the people not voting me aren't necessarily mafia. It seems like..because YOU were on my wagon, you're trying to shift attention to them and to keep it on me. I don't see how that is a good strategy for scum at all. My gambit didn't really do anything to the town, except bring me to the center of the stage, and now my life is on the line, and people question my motives, my reasonings, and why I did everything. Well.. I had my reasons, which I've explained, which I thought would've - if executed successfully, would've helped the town significantly. But it wasn't executed at all. So no go. But I am still alive, and intend to hunt scum as long as I have my voice and vote. So I am voting you.

unvote? (not sure if I am voting anyone, but if I am..), vote: Ztife

[PhilyEc]

@Ztife

Quick and simply;

1. How many bandwagons have developed during this game in your opinion?
2. Were you in support of all of them?
3. Comparing wagon trend in suspicion to Ztife trend in suspicion, they seem to be moving together. Can you explain how I may be wrong?

[PhilyEc]

Little Italy
Moderator: List Mod

Users browsing this forum: Riceballtail, Trumpet of Doom

Latest post from the two combined was almost 2 hours ago yet they seem to be lurking. I'd like both of you to input soon since you both seem avaliable.

[Archon]

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
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[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
---

Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and

Archon

~

@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

Explain

You're suppost to isolate what you want explained. If its about the entire post then, I like this game thus I post. *teehees before receiving a smack*

*coughIboldedmyname.whatdoyouthinkIwantexplainedcough*

[Juls]

Posting this in all my games...I will do a reread and post as needed during the weekend. I have gotten behind by playing the Marathon games and finishing up some last minute school assignments before spring break...

[Trumpet of Doom]

I have gotten behind by

playing the Marathon games and

finishing up some last minute school assignments before spring break...

This. I'm working on something for this game, but I'll probably have to wait until tomorrow to put it up. (Walls of text don't make it easy for me to write quick posts, people.)

[Riceballtail]

Few posts that are of good quality is worth far more to the town than many posts of which contain a lot of useless text. If I truly had something to add at any point in time, I would have posted it. Also, I suggest looking into finding something better to do with you time than hunt down people who had posted within the last 36 hours.

[Ztife]

Its a little hard to quote everything, if you need me to i'll redo this post later...

>Reactions/Bandwagoning
Imagine a situation when you are 100% a scum, maybe made a slip, and everything voted for you for that one same reason. Does that make everybody scummy/bandwagoning? Bandwagoning is a very vague term, and what I'm saying in this sense is because of your confusing gambit, everybody could have voted for you for the same reason. That does not make them possibly more or less scummy very effectively, and the reactions generation have little potential from true content simple because there was only more or less the same thing to talk about you.

>Lynching
Nobody wanting to do a hammer does not mean that less than half the people wanted to vote for you. And the hammer in question was mostly due to the fool role, whether you believe that it is possible or not. I also don't know why you twisted my words, I said if we have a good discussion to lynch a mafia, otherwise you were coming up as the most scummy.

You have also gone back to the same point. Your posting your opinions, mostly which I'm disagreeing with. I failed to see how your reactions generated is helping town, since you keep saying your gambit has failed when I asked you for specific reactions that were obvious scummy or we can bring out a discussion now (for "harvest" of your gambit), but yet you keep refering to how bandwagoning makes people scummy etc. What is happening in the theories in your head is not happening in this game.

As for me being scummy, I was considering hammering you, since your actions were obviously distracting and not helping town. Now that we can see that you are capable of more coherent posts, that situation has changed a little. Which is what I have also mentioned in post 122. I don't even know what case you are making against me, to me it seems more like a "gut-feeling-go-for-it" kinda vote, so I have no idea what I would want to say to explain my actions. Which I don't feel a need now since its such a lousy case. If I were mafia, if anything, I would post much less and lie low to not draw so much attention. Which is precisely what hewitt and sordos are doing now.

[Ztife]

Which is precisely what hewitt and sordos are doing now.

Edit: What sordos is doing now... hewitt is in my other game sorry lol.

[Ztife]

@Ztife

Quick and simply;

1. How many bandwagons have developed during this game in your opinion?
2. Were you in support of all of them?
3. Comparing wagon trend in suspicion to Ztife trend in suspicion, they seem to be moving together. Can you explain how I may be wrong?

1. I count about 8. Check post 144 for 6 of them, post 100 for trumpets wagon (but not hammering), and mine at 122. There are possibly more, im sure people like simpor was ready to vote for a.f as well if not for the "language barrier" excuse. Philly was extremely concerned if A.F. was being fool or not, but probably drawn to voting for A.F. himself. That makes a total of 6 votes, 2 votes-but-not-wanting-to-hammer, and 2 neutral/not-voting for other reasons. That makes a total of 10, + a.f himself, and AWA who was lurking, its almost the entire town bandwagoning, or discussing about A.F. Which, is distraction discussion with no reasons. Like I said earlier, how does his gambit helped? What were some of the reactions that was wanted?

Hes really trying to entice people into voting for him.

2. I believe the reasons are only 2. Faking Post-restriction, and for random/incoherent/drunk posts. I don't think faking post-restriction is anything serious in terms of scum-hunt, but its really annoying and distraction for town. It will be slightly pro-scum action. As for randomness, it was distraction the town from any other good decision, and

at that moment of time

it would be the best lynch, other than a possible fool role. Why? Cause a believe lynching a possible-maf or useless townie is better than lynching any other possible-maf or useful townie, since we don't have any good leads at the moment. The "or" is used refering to the same person but characteristics if we made a wrong lynch and he turned out townie.

3. I don't understand your question.

[ThAdmiral]

Lied about what? I don't believe I lied at all, I just didn't clarify anything until a much later time.

Denying it is not going to do you any good.

Well, not pointing out specifically what I lied about isn't doing me much good either..soo...can't really do anything until I know what I lied about.

I'm not denying anything. I don't know what I am supposed to confirm/deny in the first place..so help me out?

Don't play dumb, that's not going to help either. That's just further proof for me that you are trying to avoid answering/responsibility.

What do you think I am talking about?

However you have since answered any questions I had about why you did what you did, I just don't believe you.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Porkens replaces AWA, effective immediately

[Juls]

Oh man...I am goin to be soooo confused. In one game where Porkens is mod and KOC is player. Now in another game where KOC is mod and Porkens is player. I apologize in advance for cross-over confusion.

[Seraphim]

Mod: Note my sig! Limited internet access is possible, however.

[PhilyEc]

I knew the role fool from a game online, its another mafia game on this site with Java Script type rooms but each game lasts about 10 mins so lynching all liars is the case. The role fool in it is someone whos always trying to get themselves lynched. I have the site in my history but I dont remember the name. Ill check if you want to verify my claim of what a fool is before I'd checked wikipedia.

(Apologies, poor short term memory~ I'd most likely forgotten all about fools wanting to be lynched after finding out Fools

here

have a different objective..)
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[pouring a ton of ketchup on my shirt] Imma waiting till its fact that he aint fool if it means I gotta eat my shirt T_T
---

Also, @Archon. Ah yes, you did vote for him, but unvoted once the vote count had been talied, fair enough. 6 people on the suspision list. Sera, RBT, ThAdmiral, sordros, Juls and

Archon

~

@Finch, would I be correct in saying your gambit we're all putting it was in effect a was to tell whos scum from the very beginning?

Explain

You're suppost to isolate what you want explained. If its about the entire post then, I like this game thus I post. *teehees before receiving a smack*

*coughIboldedmyname.whatdoyouthinkIwantexplainedcough*

Well you were part of the finchy wagon, simple as~ You even asked me why I originally didnt put your name up and now you ask why I have.

I missed you on the vote count because you unvoted while the others didnt. :3

*coughIdontthinktalkinglikethiscoughisgoodforourlungscough*

[PhilyEc]

@ Ztife

1. Thanks, that does help and its good to summarise this event into a single text, itll be a good point of reference later on.

2. You're making alot of sense rather than trying to confuse, the basis of pro-town behaviour is good logic in my mind. Even though scum can go about logically with their behaviour it turns out logical only if a townie has been acting very scummy. Either way the town doesnt have perfect knowledge of eachothers roles thus making me think 'lynching a possible-maf or useless townie is better than lynching any other possible-maf or useful townie'.

3. Nevermind, the question is irrelevant now.

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@ThAdmiral

You seem to think Finch has lied but with all thats gone on I'm a bit confused as to what he did. Was it about the post restrictions? Please elaborate for myself and those possibly interested in knowing what you're getting at.

[Porkens]

readin.