Open 121: Two of Four (b9) - Over! before 752

[Kmd4390]

Okay so DO NOT LYNCH zwetschenwasser for whatever silly reasons you guys who put him at L-1 felt, that was pretty stupid in my opinion. Zwets has been 100% consistent in this game with his gameplay from my past experiences with him so while I agree he's not really helpful this is just how he is so chill out.

Other then that there's not really much to go off so far but I'm pissed that we put our claimed cop at a position where he's vulnerable to scum attacks.

I went after him at first based on past experiences, and told him I wouldn't unvote him until he changed. He still hasn't changed, so my vote remains.

Ok, I like the idea of going after a generally unhelpful player, but did you see his claim? NEVER lynch an uncountered claimed cop in an open game. (No, I don't want a real cop to claim if Zwet is scum. If a real cop flips or has to claim later, Zwet becomes an obvious lynch.) So Zwet stays alive today. Unvote now.

[hewitt]

Okay so DO NOT LYNCH zwetschenwasser for whatever silly reasons you guys who put him at L-1 felt, that was pretty stupid in my opinion. Zwets has been 100% consistent in this game with his gameplay from my past experiences with him so while I agree he's not really helpful this is just how he is so chill out.

Other then that there's not really much to go off so far but I'm pissed that we put our claimed cop at a position where he's vulnerable to scum attacks.

I went after him at first based on past experiences, and told him I wouldn't unvote him until he changed. He still hasn't changed, so my vote remains.

So basically you're not voting on who you think is scummy but on some silly personal vendetta thing.

[SensFan]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

[hewitt]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

You and the three other people who put zwets at L-1 have also been ridiculously helpful if you're scum as well.

[SensFan]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

You and the three other people who put zwets at L-1 have also been ridiculously helpful if you're scum as well.

That's not going to fly. Are you saying that because he's decided to CLAIM Cop it means it was retroactively a bad idea to wagon him for not playing?

[hewitt]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

You and the three other people who put zwets at L-1 have also been ridiculously helpful if you're scum as well.

That's not going to fly. Are you saying that because he's decided to CLAIM Cop it means it was retroactively a bad idea to wagon him for not playing?

SensFan...you have done absolutely nothing but repeat the same b.s. so far. You aren't playing either, or contributing anything of substance to this game in any way, shape, or form at all.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

And DCJ, my vote wasn't due to the contradiction (and there was definitly one, and if there wasn't one, it's only worse), but for your reason for your vote against Zwet.

Voting just for a lynch (with the only exception at deadline) is very scummy.

Not where I'm from. Where I'm from, we have 48 hour days, 24 hour nights, and if you don't vote at all, or vote the wrong person, yer scummy.
So I always vote. Even if it's a random vote Day 1. After all, if you don't lynch anyone, you learn nothing.
If Zwet is truly town, and is what he claims, I think we have a new target.

But seeing as he's claimed, for now I'll

Unvote

.

Even if it was really stupid.

And Emp, I have no idea what you are talking about. Did you really ask me a question?

[SensFan]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

You and the three other people who put zwets at L-1 have also been ridiculously helpful if you're scum as well.

That's not going to fly. Are you saying that because he's decided to CLAIM Cop it means it was retroactively a bad idea to wagon him for not playing?

SensFan...you have done absolutely nothing but repeat the same b.s. so far. You aren't playing either, or contributing anything of substance to this game in any way, shape, or form at all.

Why is it BS? I am actively going after someone who has been promoting the usage of so-called 'randomness' in lieu of going after people.

It may help if you know that I consider anyone doing ANYTHING randomly (yes, that includes random voting) to be the biggest scumtell there is.

[Kmd4390]

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

Um.

Yes it is...?

Not where I'm from. Where I'm from, we have 48 hour days, 24 hour nights, and if you don't vote at all, or vote the wrong person, yer scummy.
So I always vote. Even if it's a random vote Day 1. After all, if you don't lynch anyone, you learn nothing.
If Zwet is truly town, and is what he claims, I think we have a new target.

First off being wrong is NOT a scumtell.

Second, we need a new target REGARDLESS of if we believe Zwet or not. If he's fakeclaiming, we'll know later.

[hewitt]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

You and the three other people who put zwets at L-1 have also been ridiculously helpful if you're scum as well.

That's not going to fly. Are you saying that because he's decided to CLAIM Cop it means it was retroactively a bad idea to wagon him for not playing?

SensFan...you have done absolutely nothing but repeat the same b.s. so far. You aren't playing either, or contributing anything of substance to this game in any way, shape, or form at all.

Why is it BS? I am actively going after someone who has been promoting the usage of so-called 'randomness' in lieu of going after people.

It may help if you know that I consider anyone doing ANYTHING randomly (yes, that includes random voting) to be the biggest scumtell there is.

It's b.s. because you're basically going after someone due to a clash of playstyle instead of scumhunting on solid grounds.

[SensFan]

Nope, not at all. What he's doing is ridiculously helpful if he's Scum, and completely useless if he's Town.

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

You and the three other people who put zwets at L-1 have also been ridiculously helpful if you're scum as well.

That's not going to fly. Are you saying that because he's decided to CLAIM Cop it means it was retroactively a bad idea to wagon him for not playing?

SensFan...you have done absolutely nothing but repeat the same b.s. so far. You aren't playing either, or contributing anything of substance to this game in any way, shape, or form at all.

Why is it BS? I am actively going after someone who has been promoting the usage of so-called 'randomness' in lieu of going after people.

It may help if you know that I consider anyone doing ANYTHING randomly (yes, that includes random voting) to be the biggest scumtell there is.

It's b.s. because you're basically going after someone due to a clash of playstyle instead of scumhunting on solid grounds.

I don't consider 'doesn't contribute and supports randomness' to be a legit playstyle, or one that I will allow. It plainly benefits Scum more than Town.

[zwetschenwasser]

DarkCoffee, this isn't "where you're from". We find policy lynching usually scummy if it can be avoided. I don't understand why you refuse to let go of this and try to scumhunt, and I find this reluctance also scummy on your part.

Confirm vote: DarkCoffeeJazz

. In other news, I am now officially ignoring all of SensFan's posts until he stops his random rantings.

[hewitt]

You started your attack on zwets with your first post. If you really go after those who aren't being as serious as you apparently see fit in determining you could have easily started your attack with Darkcoffeejazz, ZazieR, Kmd, or BlondeSoWut. You came into this game with a target already in mind and that to me feels like you decided that Night 0.

[zwetschenwasser]

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!

[hewitt]

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!

And you were right.

[SensFan]

You started your attack on zwets with your first post. If you really go after those who aren't being as serious as you apparently see fit in determining you could have easily started your attack with Darkcoffeejazz, ZazieR, Kmd, or BlondeSoWut. You came into this game with a target already in mind and that to me feels like you decided that Night 0.

I've seen KMD play, he's fantastic.
I've never seen DCJ, Zaz, or BSW play, I don't judge.
I've seen zwet play, he promoted the idea that a Cop and Vig should target the same person.

[Kmd4390]

DarkCoffee, this isn't "where you're from". We find policy lynching usually scummy if it can be avoided.

And using that to your advantage to be intentionally scummy in every game is even worse than policy lynching.

I've seen zwet play, he promoted the idea that a Cop and Vig should target the same person.

I've seen him fakeclaim as town, but ongoing game...

Anyway, I'll put an analysis up on everyone later today. I have class at 10:30 and I'm catching up on other stuff first, so I'll get to it after class.

[SensFan]

DarkCoffee, this isn't "where you're from". We find policy lynching usually scummy if it can be avoided.

That's bullshit and you know it. I can't go into details because the game is ongoing, but I can find plenty of finished games where people were pressured due to their playstyle.

[Empking]

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

Um.

Yes it is...? .

Its semi-open.

Dark: Yesw I did, also why do you play?

[hewitt]

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

Um.

Yes it is...?

Not where I'm from. Where I'm from, we have 48 hour days, 24 hour nights, and if you don't vote at all, or vote the wrong person, yer scummy.
So I always vote. Even if it's a random vote Day 1. After all, if you don't lynch anyone, you learn nothing.
If Zwet is truly town, and is what he claims, I think we have a new target.

First off being wrong is NOT a scumtell.

Second, we need a new target REGARDLESS of if we believe Zwet or not. If he's fakeclaiming, we'll know later.

I partially agree with you saying being wrong is not a scumtell. Obviously people are going to make mistakes and not just scum made up a bandwagon on a lynched townie but if a townie is ever lynched I believe that all players who voted for that townie should go under intense scrutiny.

[ZazieR]

Sens, you've played one game with me before, although I wasn't very active back then.

Anyway, I don't agree with you on post 142. Normally it would be the case, but not this time. He has already seen in a different game, that we have much time to discuss things. His excuse in this game is just weak.
Also, have you seen his reason to unvote? In case you haven't:

But seeing as he's claimed, for now I'll Unvote.

He's unvoted, because Zwet has claimed, not because of what Zwet claimed!


@DCJ
What's your reason for suspecting me?

[SensFan]

Anyway, I don't agree with you on post 142. Normally it would be the case, but not this time. He has already seen in a different game, that we have much time to discuss things. His excuse in this game is just weak.
Also, have you seen his reason to unvote? In case you haven't:

But seeing as he's claimed, for now I'll Unvote.

He's unvoted, because Zwet has claimed, not because of what Zwet claimed!

Huh? My 142 is saying zwet's point about policy lynches is bullshit.

[ZazieR]

Oh sorry, I thought you were saying that DCJ's defence is legit.

[Kmd4390]

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

Um.

Yes it is...? .

Its semi-open.

Ok, Sens was right. Looking back, we may or may not have a cop...

I partially agree with you saying being wrong is not a scumtell. Obviously people are going to make mistakes and not just scum made up a bandwagon on a lynched townie but if a townie is ever lynched I believe that all players who voted for that townie should go under intense scrutiny.

Very true. A mislynch is very likely to have scum on it.

Also, I was mid-post on that analysis and had to go. I saved what I had, but haven't finished. I'll try and get not lazy and post it today. It will be up tomorrow at the latest.

[SensFan]

KMD, I agree. This isn't Open, though, we don't know that we have a Cop.

Um.

Yes it is...?

Not where I'm from. Where I'm from, we have 48 hour days, 24 hour nights, and if you don't vote at all, or vote the wrong person, yer scummy.
So I always vote. Even if it's a random vote Day 1. After all, if you don't lynch anyone, you learn nothing.
If Zwet is truly town, and is what he claims, I think we have a new target.

First off being wrong is NOT a scumtell.

Second, we need a new target REGARDLESS of if we believe Zwet or not. If he's fakeclaiming, we'll know later.

I partially agree with you saying being wrong is not a scumtell. Obviously people are going to make mistakes and not just scum made up a bandwagon on a lynched townie but if a townie is ever lynched I believe that all players who voted for that townie should go under intense scrutiny.

You do just that. Don't expect me to defend why I voted for [insert hypothetical dead Town that was lynched], though, unless I quickhammered.

If you don't have an issue with the wagon while the player is alive, you shouldn't have an issue with it if said player flips Town.