The Sixth Annual Scummie Awards (Now With Extra Nonsense!)

[PokerFace]

Where did I even mention Kinetic? Heck I helped nominate Kinetic for that. All I said towards him was that I didn't just mean empking and SSK. Hell I actually feel glad I didn't win right now because I think I lurked too much at times. I'm always too busy in real life.

I guess I'm just underwhelmed with the state of play and things I precieve mafiascum to be in. In various games alot of people look to one player for and most of the time they don't have it or they are scum. Why are you trusting them? What happened to looking at your self to do the work? Where is the trusting yourself and perservering? If that one guy gets killed, what you gonna do? It feels like people are slacking in general as I read games. I suppose you can't be at your best in every game, but that doesn't mean you can't try to be. Don't even spend time enjoying where you are because you should be trying to take it further.

Maybe I'm not even sure what I'm saying but I guess what I'm saying is you shouldn't be satisifed with just stopping so far. I'll try to explain what I'm saying further when I get off work if you guys thinks its necessary. If someone wants to throw this in another thread or try to decipher what I've got so far, they can go right ahead.

[elvis_knits]

Well I think the state of play is great and there are a lot of good players out there. I think the site has steadily improved as time has gone on. When I went away and came back again I felt very stupid... like the play level had increased a lot.

[Glork]

Meh, felt more so egotistical than joking but yay i do see how that could be funny now, glork

No, I was flattered that JD (or anyone) would really think such a thing, and making light of it. 'S all good.

[PokerFace]

Well alright if that's what you say glork

Well I think the state of play is great and there are a lot of good players out there. I think the site has steadily improved as time has gone on. When I went away and came back again I felt very stupid... like the play level had increased a lot.

And I guess this is true and good. But that doesn't mean it can't be greater. It doesn't mean you can't be greater.

I guess I just have and percieve high expectations for things that I don't think are being met. I think we can all do better than just this. And I'm not really able to fix or feel or be challenged by them right now. I've gotten really bored going through all this stuff in real life I have to to do and am doing it but I wish I had time to have fun and I expect others to well manage there time and skills so that we can move forward to something really cool

Let's fix some of the problems and not just dance around them. Its like we're trying to get enough votes on an obv scum and everybody is just pissing around. can I get a hammer here? Can't you post and pull the weight you expect yourself to give. The weight generally expected you to give. I guess I'm just not impressed. You can win by lurking and getting everyone else to lurk. Wow that sounds like awesome fun. Let's all slack off and do nothing. That guy will self hammer. Or you can win by getting off your ass and being somebody. And even if you loose, would you rather win lurking or loose playing? I think I rather loose playing then win by lurking or taking the easy way out. Quit taking the easy way out riding off of any success or opinions everyone else has gained of you. Take it further. "Hey everyone thinks X is town again. They always think X is town as any alignment." X shouldn't be able to get away with that same tactic everytime. I'm looking for some evolution. Wow a survivor win condition kept me alive. it keeps alot of people alive. Why can't it be more easily always seen through. It feels all the same and simple. Where is challenge? I want to see someone get away with a nk immune miller vig claim. Hell I want to see a setup where there actually is an nk imune miller vig. Let's destroy any meta we have and make this an ever changing challenging game. I want a crazy scenario where there is nothing and no one you can trust. Eveybody is a fucking Jester but no one knows it. I want the next game i read or play to actually be worth it, not I giant snorefest. I want to see a wagon with 7 guys on it with a cop investigation and i want to see them all unvote because the mafioso convinced them the cop was random or insane. Let's all kick some ass!

I think I may have gotten off course a little. Somebody send this stuff to another thread till i feel like actually sorting this. Call the thread Great Future Expectations or PF Ranting or And tell me if you at least got something out of what I was saying

[Brutal Assassin]

Another year, another snubbing.

But my orca posting did make its way into the scummies. Good enough I guess.

[Belvedere]

Congrats to everyone who won! X3

[Porochaz]

Another year, another snubbing.

But my orca posting did make its way into the scummies. Good enough I guess.

That was you? We put it in there because we thought BBM started it all...

[Brutal Assassin]

Another year, another snubbing.

But my orca posting did make its way into the scummies. Good enough I guess.

That was you? We put it in there because we thought BBM started it all...

Nope. Just a copycat.

[PokerFace]

Yay even I know BA started it all and he does kick ass.

You see the Pavlik Fight, BA? That was good. Ohio rules!

[Brutal Assassin]

No, I missed it Was working. Big Pavlik fan though.

[PokerFace]

Big Pavlik fan though.

That and orcas and ohio and the fact you are a humourous, good scumchat mafia player are why you kick arse!

[PokerFace]

Back on topic

Who judges the scummies anyway?

Wasn't there a most improved award? It should have gone to Xtoxm if the award still exists.

[gorckat]

Who judges the scummies anyway?

I'd also be curious to see what the judges thought of the winners- what set them apart and put them in the top spot.

I admit it's part vanity/ego, but I'd like to know what worked so well in my game so I can do it next time. Was it a cool mix of roles, a good ruleset, the flavor, a good batch of players that gelled well, etc...

[PokerFace]

I'm not very observant
[quote]The Scummies, 2008

Hosted by:
mith

Judges:
CarnCarn
Yosarian2
Lord Gurgi
forbiddanlight
Porochaz
farside22
Vel-Rahn Koon

Thanks to:
animorpherv1
AniX
DrippingGoofball
elvis_knits
KaleiÃ

[mith]

gorckat, you are more likely to get that from your players; the judges do an excellent job given the time constraints and number of nominated games, but I don't think anyone expects they will be as familiar with an individual game as those who played it.

PokerFace, there's a reason the judging is private. If everyone who nominated someone that didn't get an award started demanding the judges justify their actions, it would inevitably lead to bad feelings. The Scummies are not intended to be a definitive list of everything positive on the site, and I think most people understand that. If you think a particular player deserved an award, letting them know and encouraging them to keep up the good work is a more useful expression of that.

[PokerFace]

I know they are private and should be for those reasons

Why did we get rid of that award though? I thought it was a good award to be given out to somebody.

MS having fun games is important

gorckat, you are more likely to get that from your players; the judges do an excellent job given the time constraints and number of nominated games, but I don't think anyone expects they will be as familiar with an individual game as those who played it.

so I guess that gets it accross.

[Mr. Flay]

The year I was a judge, a couple of awards just didn't have anybody nominated/under consideration that were up to what we thought the Scummie deserved. I don't know if that was the case here...

[Raging Rabbit]

lol, I got mentioned because Skruffs ripped on me in the post that won Funniest Player. In my defense, the plan Aimless and I pushed worked, and after mislynching Skruffs for disagreeing with it so strongly it ended up winning the game for us.

Congrats to all winners!

[shaft.ed]

Who judges the scummies anyway?

I'd also be curious to see what the judges thought of the winners- what set them apart and put them in the top spot.

I admit it's part vanity/ego, but I'd like to know what worked so well in my game so I can do it next time. Was it a cool mix of roles, a good ruleset, the flavor, a good batch of players that gelled well, etc...

Players are the most important aspect of "most enjoyable game." For some reason the mods get the credit.

[orangepenguin]

I really thought I had a chance at getting Best Supporting Penguin. *sigh* Maybe next year, if Penguins of the Serengeti doesn't take it away from me with her altyness.

[iamausername]

Players are the most important aspect of "most enjoyable game." For some reason the mods get the credit.

Even with the best player lists, poor modding can significantly detract from the enjoyment of a game, though. The mods deserve some of the credit, at least.

Still, I'm happy to accept my 1/13th of an award.

[Mirth]

Who judges the scummies anyway?

I'd also be curious to see what the judges thought of the winners- what set them apart and put them in the top spot.

I admit it's part vanity/ego, but I'd like to know what worked so well in my game so I can do it next time. Was it a cool mix of roles, a good ruleset, the flavor, a good batch of players that gelled well, etc...

Players are the most important aspect of "most enjoyable game." For some reason the mods get the credit.

Cause you gave us alpaca sex and fruit defense strategies?

[PokerFace]

Mirth is right. It was an awesome theme that was modded well.

Thanks to shaft.ed, I now know what a logan berry is.

And I also learned how to pick up hungarian chicks.

Lift with your legs. Not your back.

[shaft.ed]

Thanks guys, but I still maintain you were an awesome group of players to mod. And I didn't realize that game started the alpaca meme. Thanks for carrying it on elvis! (it actually wasn't even sexual to start with)

[elvis_knits]

shaft.ed... I think the exact words were "Will you pet my naughty alpaca?" We all know that is code.