pops 370 wrote:But if i couldn't read you at all, i would certainly lynch you immediately. That's how people deal with K7, that's how you deal with any unreadable player.
I think that's a poor way to go through games if you want me to be perfectly honest.
pops 370 wrote:If [Rhinox's] town [RC's] next [to be lynched]. If he's scum, I'd be surprised at your accuracy enough to at least wait. I actually put Rhinox at even money right now (back at starting point 0), from BC's testimonies and his consistency with the WIFOM logic and AtE. He's consistent to himself.
Is there anyway I can force everyone in this game to read this statement?
Two major things I want to point out in this statement:
1) pops is lining up his lynches, and blantantly so. He doesn't seem to notice that we've been having a discussion for the past couple of pages that it's a fallacy to put me and Rhinox in a "good guy-bad guy" scenario.
2) pops also gets the same impression I got in post 369 that bionic's defense of Rhinox is very meta-based. When I brought this up, bionic confirmed his vote on me.
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bionic 371 wrote:You wrote absolutely nothing that indicates I have a town read on Rhinox
based off of meta
.
Newbie 696 is officially part of Rhinox's meta now, whether you acknowledge that or not.
I mean, for goodness sakes, you brought it up. You said you were using it to analyze Rhinox. Now you're trying to play gotcha games with me because, "lololol never said specifically I got a town read meta
"?
I'm calling entrapment here. I've made an absolutely valid syllogism.
bionic uses meta to analyze players, bionic thinks Rhinox is town, therefore, bionic's meta-read of Rhinox is town.
I'm calling entrapment because I think you were setting me up to bring this point up just to try and make your vote look better.
Now you can't argue that you didn't refer to Rhinox's meta because, one, you've made it clear that meta is part of your hunting strategy, and two, you've referenced Rhinox's meta multiple times in this game.
If you argue that Rhinox's meta-read gives off a scummy vibe, then your vote is contradictory to your meta-read.
bionic 371 wrote:When the initial statement in the question was pointed out as incorrect, you decided it was best to spin into a whole side thing about how I am reading Rhinox and because I use meta as a factor, I must have a town meta-read on him.
No, it is correct. I didn't spin anything, I used specific statements that you made about Rhinox and your interaction with him. You even brought up, and linked, the game y'all were recently playing together.
Moreover, I'd like you to reread pops' statement that I quoted above and tell me what you think of it.
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Rhinox 374 wrote:are you telling me I should roll over and play dead because I'm just a townie and I shouldn't care if I get lynched D1, or are you accusing me of doing nothing but defend myself? I think I've been doing a good job of doing things besides defend myself.
No, but you claiming before you had to prematurely puts this town in a more awkward position than it needs to be. username is correct when he says it's difficult to argue against lynching someone who claimed vanilla townie.
And when I say take a more offensive stance, I certainly don't mean "roll over and play dead", I'm not sure how you could equate the two as they are essentially opposites of one another.
Further, although I do agree with your sentiments against OGML, until he begins to post some more it might help to consider other scum possibilities.
Rhinox 374 wrote:So, AtE is only an attempt to cloud rational thought and judgement if I'm scum. So it is circular reasoning.
No, because I didn't think you were scum before you starting appealing left and right.
Rhinox 374 wrote:I'm arguing that it doesn't put you at the disadvantage you're trying to make it seem.
But you're not the one who brought this up.
Rhinox 374 wrote:Anyways, why did you ask me if you already knew the answer? I said I'm njot sure you're scum and don't trust myself to analyze you objectively. I gave reasons for suspecting OGML. Whats the point of even asking me?
To gauge your reaction as to why you don't want me lynched today.
Rhinox 374 wrote:I get the feeling that if you weren't being wagoned and close to a lynch, that you would much rather be voting pops.
How do you come to terms with this feeling knowing that I was the first, non-random vote on you as opposed to joining a bandwagon?
Rhinox 374 wrote:Keep in mind that if I were playing by your philosophy, you'd have already been lynched. You were at L-1. I could have hammered you, or at least pressured you into claiming and then hammered you, instead of speaking out against your wagon.
And? Should I unvote you because you "granted me mercy"? Any town worth its salt would've had the noose ready for you had you tried to sneak in a lynch before I could claim.
Rhinox 374 wrote:not scum != town. It just means, I haven't come to a conclusion that I think you're more likely 1 side more than the other. In other words, I have a neutral read on you right now.
I disagree with this, but I
don't want to press the point
because it will get to be another theoretical discussion.
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In regards to the claiming discussion, at the risk of sounding opportunist, I agree with username in post 382. I am willing for my position to be treated as null because of how this situation would put a bias on my decision, but I want to make it clear that I would certainly use it as a strike against Rhinox even if I wasn't in this position.
Now how username can preach this while sitting firmly on my wagon is a completely different discussion altogether.