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Slicey Mafia Scum
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ortolan Mafia Scum
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Slicey is looking more and more obv-scum with this indecisive crap (he said in about 3 posts that he "had a bad gut on me", which just happened to coincide with me being wagoned with crap logic by BSG and others. Rather opportunistic.) Shame it took Kmd to make essentially the same arguments as me but in more detail to get his wagon off the ground, but it needs more votes before an incompetent town mislynches the pair of me and increasingly obv-town Empking.
Don't understand Raging Rabbit defending Slicey so strongly either in not one but two posts. He should know better.
Vote: Slicey
Consider me to have a permanent vote on Slicey at this point i.e. even if Empking changes my vote I can still hammer him if necessary, unless he should present me with reason not to. Ironically enough I don't actually disagree particularly with Empking's vote either.
Narsis is also a fan of crappy aged wagons featuring craplogic.
You swallow the crap argument pushed by BSG earlier and regurgitate it in a somehow even worse form. You do this by quoting something said on Page 2 for which I've already had my name repeatedly dragged through the mud for based on craplogic. Couldn't find any posts made by me more recently to quote to make me look scummy? Funny that.Narsis (416) wrote:hmm...to be honest i'm not sure who to vote for. i find Santos kind of distracting. that's not something i see as very townie like. besides Slicey's contradiction and early claim i don't really see him as scum either. empking is being well...empking, although ort is giving me a wierd vibe, especially this post:
if empking really is scum and you are town you should be more then willing to sacrifice yourself for the town. even so, empking is just being empking.ortolan wrote:just a quick comment to avoid Empking possibly taking me to the gallows with him:
He has a scummy (very scummy) meta, please read his recent games and see how likely he is to be lynched versus how many times he actually is scum (no offense, Empking). Yes, I am trying to save my own skin here
without the two-headed thing my vote would most definitly go to Santos. however, with the two heads...i'm feeling a little more inclined towards an Ort/Emp lynch.
It's pretty obvious I made myself a scum-target by my, admittedly premature, cautioning of Empking's meta. This allows scum like yourself to run amok and interpret a "meta defence" scum-tell into my words even though that's not actually what I said- I said beware of Empking looking scum cause he's often townie in that scenario (which I have said in other games also and only have more reason to say so in this game). This is not saying "Empking looks town", how the fuck would I have known whether he was town or not on page fucking two?FoS: NarsisandBSG
That said, Empking actually does look more town to me this game than he usually does, he is voting for scum-meister BSG after all.
IronTurkey is a neutral read but Slicey is so obv-scum that I'll take the 95%/~35% chance of scum pair, the alternative is simply to no lynch which as an option does not seem to be in favour presently.-
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julienvonwolfe Mafia Scum
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So, then, you appear to like BSG.Narsis wrote:without the two-headed thing my vote would most definitly go to Santos. however, with the two heads...i'm feeling a little more inclined towards an Ort/Emp lynch.
I'm still in the process of reading through, so forgive me if I've missed something blindingly obvious; but what about BSG makes you not want him dead?-
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Empking Empking's Alt's Alt
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Slicey Mafia Scum
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This paragraph is full of fail. Empking has done nothing to prove that he's obv-town. Yes, I said I had a bad gut on you, but I decided to vote for Santos because I feel he's more scummy than you. I'm not so sure now after this paragraph.ortolan wrote:Slicey is looking more and more obv-scum with this indecisive crap (he said in about 3 posts that he "had a bad gut on me", which just happened to coincide with me being wagoned with crap logic by BSG and others. Rather opportunistic.) Shame it took Kmd to make essentially the same arguments as me but in more detail to get his wagon off the ground, but it needs more votes before an incompetent town mislynches the pair of me and increasingly obv-town Empking.
I will, however,Unvote, because I feel BSG is town. Not that it will matter at this point, cause you guys are about to lynch (probably two) townies. >_>-
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Do you guys sometimes have that little voice in your head, saying that something happened in the past which would be funny to quote right now? Of course, it could be the penguin, but anyway, that voice is talking to me right now. See here, said quote:
And look who's bringing it up again. Don't blame me that I get the feeling now that this is just to give us an impression that you've read this game, while not doing so.Ortolan wrote:It's getting boring talking about it (my meta defence of Empking) now, really.
As for the reason why this is funny, I haven't said a thing about it lately, yet you FoS me for it. After a long time, you decide to FoS me, for something you tried to wave away. And then I would like to know why that is. I can even find a nice quote of yours in that post which can be applied here as well.
Anyway, your meta argument that you've meta defenced Empking before is bogus. See here, your quote from Alpha:
As someone who has played with Empking before, I'm aware of his meta (long time ago Emp.) But that shouldn't be a reason to not lynch him. Or even worse, defend him. As for the neutral part of this quote, it didn't look like that in the other ongoing game (not allowed to quote from that one).Ortolan wrote:About Empking: yes, he looks scummy. I have previously played with him in a game where we were scumbuddies, and he also looked scummy in that. I'm in I believe two ongoing games with him (this and another, there might be one more I can't think of also)and think he looks scummy in both of them. I do also recall someone specifically saying he has a scummy meta. So currently I'm probably neutral on him.
As for your blatant misrep of:
Read what I've said again. Because I didn't say this at all.Ortolan wrote:This is not saying "Empking looks town", how the fuck would I have known whether he was town or not on page fucking two?
I'll also let Narsis have a go at you before I respond to that part.
Also, Julien, DIE!
If you're still wondering why, it has something to do with pink!
EDIT: What's AtE? O.o-
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Why? Would you like to see her again
Of course I know . School and such. I don't know when she gets back, but I think soon as we're having a holiday in less than a week. You know, you could have just PM'ed her as she gets online once in a while (she's having her turn soon at modding and she's in one mish mash game if I'm correct).
But I think that you'll be one of the first who will know when she gets back-
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Slicey Mafia Scum
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Kmd4390 I lost a bet.
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Slicey wrote:
Yeah...no. >_>Kmd4390 wrote:Appeal to emotion.
Yeah.Slicey wrote: cause you guys are about to lynch (probably two) townies. >_>
Just /in'd.BSG wrote:Why? Would you like to see her again
Of course I know . School and such. I don't know when she gets back, but I think soon as we're having a holiday in less than a week. You know, you could have just PM'ed her as she gets online once in a while (she's having her turn soon at modding and she's in one mish mash game if I'm correct).
But I think that you'll be one of the first who will know when she gets backKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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ShadowGirl Mafia Scum
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Why does this seem to me like scum trying to instill WIFOM?Santos wrote:Furthermore, if we fail in a lynch today (no lynch, or town lynch) scum will probably NK UR which will make it a great reason to have me lynched by saying I now have a personal vendetta against UR; I don't.
If we hit scum, then, well, you know...hurray!
I didn't realize the both of you were close to lynch. As well, aren't the two votes on you from people who haven't checked in for awhile? Seems a little bit like you're a little too concerned for self-preservation.ort wrote:Shame it took Kmd to make essentially the same arguments as me but in more detail to get his wagon off the ground, but it needs more votes before an incompetent town mislynches the pair of me and increasingly obv-town Empking.
I do however agree with you that Narsis doesn't seem to be producing any original ideas.
My mind isn't quite in tune with this game at moment - I need to do a small reread and see exactly who I want to vote for.-
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Because that is most likely what it is...ShadowGirl wrote:
Why does this seem to me like scum trying to instill WIFOM?Santos wrote:Furthermore, if we fail in a lynch today (no lynch, or town lynch) scum will probably NK UR which will make it a great reason to have me lynched by saying I now have a personal vendetta against UR; I don't.
If we hit scum, then, well, you know...hurray!
They had the most votes at the time of posting, I believe...ShadowGirl wrote:
I didn't realize the both of you were close to lynch. As well, aren't the two votes on you from people who haven't checked in for awhile? Seems a little bit like you're a little too concerned for self-preservation.ort wrote:Shame it took Kmd to make essentially the same arguments as me but in more detail to get his wagon off the ground, but it needs more votes before an incompetent town mislynches the pair of me and increasingly obv-town Empking.
I do however agree with you that Narsis doesn't seem to be producing any original ideas.
My mind isn't quite in tune with this game at moment - I need to do a small reread and see exactly who I want to vote for.
Also, I'm gonna go ahead and stick my (And Budja's) vote on Slicey for pressure, as I doubt Budja will have any problems with it...Vote: Slicey
I need to re-read Narsis prolly, didn't pay much attention to him...ShowI OWN PANTS!
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Santos Mafia Scum
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In this post scum realises it's now definitely down to a me/Empking lynch or a Slicey/IronTurkey lynch and wants to pave the way to get himself off the block by voting us.Slicey (434) wrote:This paragraph is full of fail. Empking has done nothing to prove that he's obv-town. Yes, I said I had a bad gut on you, but I decided to vote for Santos because I feel he's more scummy than you. I'm not so sure now after this paragraph.
I will, however,Unvote, because I feel BSG is town. Not that it will matter at this point, cause you guys are about to lynch (probably two) townies. >_>
And just because you don't have enough experience generally/with Empking specifically to realise he is more than likely town this game doesn't mean I don't (this conclusion is separate to my initial cautioning of Empking's meta, despite what BSG would have you believe).
Yer, that's real convincing. Pre-emptive OMGUS, too.Slicey (434) wrote:Yes, I said I had a bad gut on you, but I decided to vote for Santos because I feel he's more scummy than you. I'm not so sure now after this paragraph.
WaitBSG (436) wrote:And look who's bringing it up again. Don't blame me that I get the feeling now that this is just to give us an impression that you've read this game, while not doing so.What?Where does this even come from? Highly ironically me bringing this up resulted directly from re-reading the entire game. You spent a lot of time attacking me for a null-tell rather than doing any good scum-hunting today, don't think it will go unnoticed. If not today then later.
Amazing. You actually go to the effort of looking this up, but then are oblivious to the fact that it very, very, very strongly supports everything I've said this game, and in absolutely no way contradicts it. Yes, the argument I made is that "Without the benefit of meta, Empking looks objectively scummy. He always looks like this though, so he is a neutral read." The fact he looked scummy as he always doesBSG (436) wrote:Anyway, your meta argument that you've meta defenced Empking before is bogus. See here, your quote from Alpha:Ortolan wrote:About Empking: yes, he looks scummy. I have previously played with him in a game where we were scumbuddies, and he also looked scummy in that. I'm in I believe two ongoing games with him (this and another, there might be one more I can't think of also)and think he looks scummy in both of them. I do also recall someone specifically saying he has a scummy meta. So currently I'm probably neutral on him.doesn'tmake him town, but it makes him not really more likely to be scum than the prior, setup probability." So please tell me any way in which what you quoted contradicts what I said this game, or were you hoping no-one was actually paying attention and further crap-logic is what you needed to take the wagon to a lynch?
Meta is in some cases extremely valid. In many games, including this one I would be reluctant to lynch Empking based on my previous experience with him. So no, you are outright wrong here.BSG (436) wrote:As someone who has played with Empking before, I'm aware of his meta (long time ago Emp.) But that shouldn't be a reason to not lynch him. Or even worse, defend him.
Strictly speaking, you are allowed to neither quote nor reference it. You slip in that "it didn't look like that in the other ongoing game", knowing the point will stick because I can't quote it to potentially prove you wrong. Nice play, scum.BSG (436) wrote:As for the neutral part of this quote, it didn't look like that in the other ongoing game (not allowed to quote from that one).
Bullshit. Here's what happened. I say something about Empking's meta, because I was none too happy about being paired with him to begin with- a general cautioning that he looks more scummy than he probably is (based on fact people are town about 75% of the town, and Empking looks scummy ~90% of the time, odds are him looking scummy does not entail him being scum strongly at all), which anyone who's played with him should be aware.BSG (436) wrote:As for the reason why this is funny, I haven't said a thing about it lately, yet you FoS me for it. After a long time, you decide to FoS me, for something you tried to wave away. And then I would like to know why that is. I can even find a nice quote of yours in that post which can be applied here as well.
A whole bunch of people, not all of them opportunistic scum probably (;)), criticise me for this, probably rightly initially. Then when the issue should be over and done with I get several people later in the day suggesting a vote on me because of it (Slicey, others IIRC, possibly Narsis and yourself implicitly). Obviously I still need to defend myself, if I'm going to be lynched for such a crappy reason. Then BSG the hero comes in and accuses me of dwelling on something "everyone had moved on from", except they were going to vote and potentially lynch me for it.
I'm yet to see a good reason for what I said about Empking in the opening stages of the game actually being scummy either, which just deepens my conviction that BSG is being highly, highly, highly disingenuous. Scum.
Pretty sure theBSG (436) wrote:Read what I've said again. Because I didn't say this at all.
I'll also let Narsis have a go at you before I respond to that part.onlyargument you have against me relies on continually misquoting me then basically implying I'm not allowed to defend myself. So let's not get too sanctimonious about our "wording".-
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You wanted to stop this talk as it 'bored' you. Yet, you're the one who brings it up after a re-read. Not only that, it's what you mostly discuss. You talk about Slicey, a post from Narsis and you mention that you see Empking as Town, and that you have a neutral read on IT. The first two is due to something you don't see as a scumtell, while I do (and apparently Narsis and Slicey as well) and the other two you don't state a reason for. And no, the reason why you see Empking is town isn't a reason as he voted Santos. I'm included in that one.Ortolan wrote:
WaitBSG (436) wrote:And look who's bringing it up again. Don't blame me that I get the feeling now that this is just to give us an impression that you've read this game, while not doing so.What?Where does this even come from? Highly ironically me bringing this up resulted directly from re-reading the entire game. You spent a lot of time attacking me for a null-tell rather than doing any good scum-hunting today, don't think it will go unnoticed. If not today then later.
As for not scumhunting, look at your own posts first. It has most of the time been you defending against the attacks of the meta defence. You haven't even stated why you FoSed me after all that time. This just comes across as OMGUS.
Of course, I'll look it up. You used it as a defence. A defence should always be checked as it could easily be bogus. You actually did find him scummy in those games. But because he's scummy in all his games, he would be neutral. You're just giving him a free pass each game, which is unacceptable, but that is a difference in our opinion and shouldn't be discussed here.Ortolan wrote:
Amazing. You actually go to the effort of looking this up, but then are oblivious to the fact that it very, very, very strongly supports everything I've said this game, and in absolutely no way contradicts it. Yes, the argument I made is that "Without the benefit of meta, Empking looks objectively scummy. He always looks like this though, so he is a neutral read." The fact he looked scummy as he always doesBSG (436) wrote:Anyway, your meta argument that you've meta defenced Empking before is bogus. See here, your quote from Alpha:Ortolan wrote:About Empking: yes, he looks scummy. I have previously played with him in a game where we were scumbuddies, and he also looked scummy in that. I'm in I believe two ongoing games with him (this and another, there might be one more I can't think of also)and think he looks scummy in both of them. I do also recall someone specifically saying he has a scummy meta. So currently I'm probably neutral on him.doesn'tmake him town, but it makes him not really more likely to be scum than the prior, setup probability." So please tell me any way in which what you quoted contradicts what I said this game, or were you hoping no-one was actually paying attention and further crap-logic is what you needed to take the wagon to a lynch?
But anyway, in both other games, you brought it up after Empking got some heat. Yet, you brought it here up at the start of this game. Only because you two are sharing one body. However, Slicey could have used a lurker defence of Ani. IT could have used a defence of Slicey as he was lynched in two games day 1. I could make up a defence of Santos. Yet none of us did, while these would be valid as well. You even admitted that Empking could still be scum, yet you defended just to save yourself. And then this defence of Alpha becomes bogus. Because you have two different goals. Alpha was to let other players know that Empking has been scummy, but is in all games. In this game, it was to save yourself.
You're wrong. You're not allowed to discuss any ongoing game outside said game. And we're not discussing it right now. But I think that the players should know how bad your defence actually is. As I'm not allowed to quote it, I'll let them look at it themselves. And you're not the one who is allowed to give comments about this.Ortolan wrote:
Strictly speaking, you are allowed to neither quote nor reference it. You slip in that "it didn't look like that in the other ongoing game", knowing the point will stick because I can't quote it to potentially prove you wrong. Nice play, scum.BSG (436) wrote:As for the neutral part of this quote, it didn't look like that in the other ongoing game (not allowed to quote from that one).
Yes, it's very scummy to have a life besides mafia. Hello, Penguin to human, I talked about this on the same day you came with your defence. So your accusation in this quote makes no sense.Ortolan wrote:A whole bunch of people, not all of them opportunistic scum probably (;)), criticise me for this, probably rightly initially. Then when the issue should be over and done with I get several people later in the day suggesting a vote on me because of it (Slicey, others IIRC, possibly Narsis and yourself implicitly). Obviously I still need to defend myself, if I'm going to be lynched for such a crappy reason. Then BSG the hero comes in and accuses me of dwelling on something "everyone had moved on from", except they were going to vote and potentially lynch me for it.
Braeden becomes scummy-KMD doesn't defend.Ortolan wrote:Pretty sure theonlyargument you have against me relies on continually misquoting me then basically implying I'm not allowed to defendmyself. So let's not get too sanctimonious about our "wording".
Slicey becomes scummy-IT doesn't defend.
Santos becomes scummy-BSG doesn't defend.
Empking isn't seen as scummy-Ortolan does defend.
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