Isacc wrote:
@Kmd: Your argument IS that you feel I am scummy. You have NOT explained that it isn't circular logic (because it IS), in fact I have shown quotes of you where you word for word made a circular argument.
You have no case because you have not given any reason to suspect me of lying. That means, you have no case.
About your "If Des knew you wanted a reaction," If you read the quote you JUST quoted, I said that Destructor couldn't have known what reactions I was looking for, so they
wouldn't
be crafted. Christ, you have no clue what you are even saying. It's like arguing with Empking. No wonder Dahill found you scummy earlier.
Yes, I feel that you are scummy. No, it's not for no reason. It's because of your plan to get Des Modkilled/lynched. No, I don't feel your explanation that you were after reactions was truthful. BUT, I'm not trying to say that your plan was scummy BECAUSE your explanation is untruthful. I'm saying it was scummy because it would result in Des's death regardless of what happened. If you don't get it now, I'm done explaining. It should make sense by now that there is no circular logic because your scumminess doesn't depend on your explanation that you were after reactions and it's more the plan itself.
I think if Des knew you wanted reactions, the reactions would be crafted based on a WIFOM guess at what you were after. There's no way you could get an accurate read from that.
@Des, I've seen the argument you are presenting about Glork before. You are saying that the game is in LYLO early because he can't vote (or at least not for real players). This is true. What is also true is that by lynching him, we put ourselves in basically the same situation. If he is town, it's a mislynch and likely a scum kill. That's 2 dead townies and another step toward LYLO. Basically, lynching him is counterproductive unless you think he is scum.
Des wrote:Actually, in Weasles Mafia, undo had a role that required L+2 votes to lynch. Anyone up for trying to put more votes on Sly to see what happens?
I was thinking maybe it would take a unanimous vote. I'd be willing to try it. If he survives with everyone, including himself, voting for him, I think it basically confirms him as unlynchable which I don't think could be a scum role.
Des wrote:Also, there seem to be two "plans" that get referred to. The first is the one he proposed - that I stop posting German and get lynched if I do. That was a bad plan. The second plan is his gambit - that he would use the manner in which I agreed to it to gauge my alignment. This wasn't a great plan either, but doesn't come across as scummy either.
I think kmd and co. are arguing that plan 2 never existed and that plan 1 was scummy.
"Plan 2" was his explanation for "Plan 1" after we found "Plan 1" scummy. It looks like you see the argument though.
hasdgfas wrote:
Fraud: half-joke/half role-related
Is there a reason you are softclaiming like this?