Oh, we do have to lynch right today, that's not in dispute. And the only chance of that happening is an Occam/Claus lynch. It is of course slightly possible RR is scum but as I said I don't see his motivation at all for clearing you if he is. Plus it's not like anyone would vote for him over me anyway. Thus I am assuming you both are town.charter (849) wrote:Crap. I just reread win conditions. I was thinking of some scenarios where the worst case would be everyone dying (desired by no one), but I think a lot of them still wind up with a town loss because mafia or SK still win if they go to night with themself and a townie alive. I was thinking I could vig them if we lynched wrong, but that will still result in a loss, sooooo...
I think we have to lynch right today.
This is besides the point. It's obvious at this point that if I'm scum I'm going to lose. I will either get lynched today or vigged tonight if I am scum. I have absolutely nothing to gain by offering myself up for a vig- as I said, all it accomplishes if I am scum is causing town to lose, but I also lose in the process.RR (852) wrote: ortolan's suggestion made him look very good at first glance, but then I figured he's the obvious vig target for charter anyways if he decides to vig after a mislynch, so it can also be an attempt at the "he's too willing to die to be scum, so I won't kill him" WIFOM game. So it doesn't tell me much, really.
This is quite unfair. Most of my posts have been to get the heat off Gremwell, as a huge number of people suspected him when I replaced in. My posts were in response to people like charter wagoning the fuck out of me. So if you thought Gremwell was town then finding me scummy is rather unfair because my posts were in response to others perceiving him as scummy. I don't think I've done anything properly scummy the whole game.RR (853) wrote:I reread Gremwell and ort's early posting, Gremwell I find odd but not the least bit scummy (I think unlike MM, he seemed totally aware that the "let's kill 'em both" plan will attract bad attention and can't see how that's a good thing for him as scum to pull off), and ort feels town but it's sorta a mafia tell that he says very little about Oman and Cephrir in his big catch-up posts.
I remember having slight SK vibes from both DP and Occam, will reread them both and take another look at ort when I'll have the time.
Scum-you has absolutely nothing to lose, either. It's obvious you're by far the most likely vig target if we mislynch today (assuming charter chooses to kill), whether you offer yourself up for it or not, so it's definitely a viable option for you to offer yourself up in order to maybe get charter to reconsider.ortolan wrote:This is besides the point. It's obvious at this point that if I'm scum I'm going to lose. I will either get lynched today or vigged tonight if I am scum. I have absolutely nothing to gain by offering myself up for a vig- as I said, all it accomplishes if I am scum is causing town to lose, but I also lose in the process.
I was talking how about your long catch-up posts say very little about both Oman and Ceph, which makes you slightly more likely mafia since they have a tendency to ignore their buddies.ortoaln wrote:This is quite unfair. Most of my posts have been to get the heat off Gremwell, as a huge number of people suspected him when I replaced in. My posts were in response to people like charter wagoning the fuck out of me. So if you thought Gremwell was town then finding me scummy is rather unfair because my posts were in response to others perceiving him as scummy. I don't think I've done anything properly scummy the whole game.
That's obv crap logic. I clearly said I am willing to assume RR and charter are town because town is screwed if they are not- thus lynching me is as bad as lynching either of them.Occam (860) wrote:Yeah I really don't like the way ort is putting himself up as a vig target. If you were town you'd want to live through a night that could potentially equal a town loss if we mislynch today - so you clearly aren't too concerned about the town winning.
I don't think this logic works, killing emp basically means that whoever in the alternate reality in which he survives is considered second scummiest and forced to hammer emp, simply gets lynched instead. I was actually quite surprised to see emp NKd.charter wrote:Ort, can you explain that last paragraph there? I'm not sure I follow it. Empking was the obvious choice (in my opinion) for both their kills. We could have forced one of them to hammer Emp, and when they invariably didn't do it, we could just lynch them. Eerily close to Cephir..
Well, we have 5 people alive. I know I'm town, and I know you're town. So the SK and mafia are two out of ort, Occam and Claus. I'm wavering on ort right now, barring another reread I'll go with Claus as SK and Occam and ort being about equally likely to be the last scum.charter wrote:RR, can you give me (as of right now) the two people you think are LEAST likely to be SK/mafia please?