Korts - 1 (freeko)
Prom King - 1 (BSG)
Not Voting - 8
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
No. I paraphrased everything I got.BSG wrote:@Korts
Was there nothing else mentioned besides that?
Huh. It's not like you won't have someone else watching next night to confirm my story.freeko wrote:Its more of a check than anything else. and to that extent i think its real simple (and pretty much wifom as well). Either korts is telling the truth and he flips town, or he is not and he is a scum. I am very heavily leaning twoards teh scum side right now. Problem is there is only one way to truly find out.
I had no decision in it. I never received any notification of abilities or request for a choice, all I got was a PM at the end of the night containing what I have already paraphrased in my first post of today.Rhinox wrote:Prom king, I want to hear what your role PM says about your association with freeko. You still haven't confirmed his claim.
Korts, why weren't you watching when Occam disappeared last night?
-In his fifth post he mentions that he thinks Occam was killed by Mafia, I have a different theory on this (see Occam's section).freeko 172 wrote: cannot directly quote my role pm, so I cannot really answer it better. He knows my alignment (town), but I do not know his it seems. The last line of my pm says something to that effect. That I am not sure of his alignment.
Occam 186 wrote:I can actually confirm that the two (or one tonight, one the next night) are town. I don't think I should fully claim but I can if necessary.
Maybe his role is shepperd? What actions would be associated with a shepperd? I don't want to be accused of rolefishing but I think since he is gone if he comes back he will have to explain it anyway so we can maybe get a jump on the conversation and try to figure it out?Occam 197 wrote:And I don't want to look like a shepherd here but I do think at least a couple more people should join this wagon.
-In his most recent vote he voted Prom King "based on his last post". Could you explain this vote a little better?BSG wrote:Precisely. It's printed right up there. And you missed it. The only way how you could have missed it is if you didn't read it. And that's scummy.
Besides, I find it very scummy that you posted without knowing the exact details.
Korts 219 wrote:unvote
This was all irrelevant because the L-1 vote was really the hammer but it just seems as if you unvoted and then when you noticed everyone else wasn't really following suit you reversed your tracks. If you really thought there was even a remote chance of him being a doctor, why revote?Korts 222 - Two hours and two posts later wrote:I think cleric is supposed to be doctor applied to the theme. But on second thought, I can't imagine sheep as clerics.
vote: MonkeyMan
Um Really?...Prom King...the guy you cant confirm as innocent or scum? This is anti-town. I believe you should be suspicious of Prom King because you yourself said your role says you cannot confirm his alignment.freeko 253 wrote:Now that I think about it, it might be better if I suggest prom king over myself as the person who does the night watch.
Rhinox 168 wrote:I shouldn't have to ask you to spell it out, but just to be sure...freeko, does your role state that you know PK is town? Same for PK... do you know for sure freeko is town? Without that certainty, the mason claim doesn't mean much.
Well, someone thought I was scum that game you're referring to... I did get vigged N1...Juls wrote: I have to start Rhinox with a disclaimer. Rhinox is VERY good at this game. I was in the game where he was serial killer and totally thought he was town (I was the cop btw, but replaced out). People who can be so convincing at anti-town roles make me nervous.
The only thing I want to note for future study is that he seemed to lead the charge on putting doubt into the freeko/Prom King masons claim. I want to note it because it will be interesting to see in the long run if this was intented to make town doubt them or if it was good townie discussion. To be determined.
The post that started the discussion:
This is about the worst reason I've ever heard for lynching someone...What reason do you have to suspect korts is scum? This is no different than singling anyone else out and saying, "eh, their either scum, or their not". If this is really the route you want to go, we'd be much better off lynching either you or PK... at least that way, we might confirm a townie (or catch a second scum).freeko wrote:Its more of a check than anything else. and to that extent i think its real simple (and pretty much wifom as well). Either korts is telling the truth and he flips town, or he is not and he is a scum. I am very heavily leaning twoards teh scum side right now. Problem is there is only one way to truly find out.
I am not sure of their claim...my comment about you was just to note it. It could be scum trying to confuse town or it could be a very good observation. I am leaning toward the latter at this point.Rhinox wrote:I'm also wondering... Why is it a problem if I was "leading the charge on putting doubt into the freeko/Prom King masons claim" (which I wasn't doing), if you are doubting their claims (i.e. you're voting PK and you say freeko is slightly less suspicious than PK.)? Why do you doubt their claim?
I took a couple months away. I am trying to just not be so sensitive this time around. :p Sucks being a girl sometimes.Rhinox wrote:Also, Juls, I thought I remembered you saying a while back you were through with mafiascum... I'm glad to see you decided to stick around.
I dont like this, what information would "you" get that would make their lynches worth it? This seems more like a case just to lynch someone instead of lynching scum. What did they do that you do not see a town player doing?freeko wrote:The reason you vote for PK is that I cannot confirm PK while PK can confirm me. I also got NOTHING from PK in the night discussion, which worries me slightly. Either he is going to be replaced, or he is hiding something from me.
So my scumdar goes something like this. I will gain information by the lynching of RS,Korts, or PK. Obviously maybe the replacement for RS could offer up something, but until then... Maybe I am way off but those are the ones that stick out to me as doing something that I do not particularly see as being a town player.
You really think other people would let you move along with the game? Why can we not pick the most townie like person to watch the following night and they can confirm that Korts was telling the truth or lieing.freeko wrote:IF player X is town aligned, then I am obviously wrong. THEN I admit my mistake and move along with the game.
PK, seriously, participate. You've claimed to be a town role, so start acting like it. Quit giving us reasons to doubt you.Rhinox wrote: Prom king, I want to hear what your role PM says about your association with freeko. You still haven't confirmed his claim.
Its only fishing and speculation. Why don't you try making a case against someone?Prom King wrote:Did anyone get any valuable info last night??
Also, I'm assuming Occ was killed by the mafia.
For the first part, what are you talking about the L-1 vote being the hammer? As for the justification, I explained it quite clearly I thought. The claim of "cleric" seemed to fit only marginally with the theme, like a fakeclaim made up on the spot.Juls wrote:This was all irrelevant because the L-1 vote was really the hammer but it just seems as if you unvoted and then when you noticed everyone else wasn't really following suit you reversed your tracks. If you really thought there was even a remote chance of him being a doctor, why revote?
And the second thing is deciding to watch while discussion was ongoing. I find it questionable but I am not necessarily sure I classify it as scummy yet.
So explain how lynching him would be the best thing for town to do? He did the same thing RS did it seems.freeko wrote:Korts, if you read the flavor of his lynching, It only required 6 of us (or one less than normal) to lynch him. At least that is what it looked like to me. It just seems that you are doing nothing but making decisions in this game that are totally one sided. You are thinking about yourself and not the good of the "town" as a whole, I think.
Are you saying I should have forseen that?freeko wrote:Korts, if you read the flavor of his lynching, It only required 6 of us (or one less than normal) to lynch him. At least that is what it looked like to me
Explain the plural, please. Other than the watching incident, was there anything else? Also, if youfreeko wrote:It just seems that you are doing nothing but making decisions in this game that are totally one sided. You are thinking about yourself and not the good of the "town" as a whole, I think.
From the way I read, and I guess I could be reading wrong because I joined late and wasn't there as it transpired, but I was under the impression that the L-1 vote that you cast was actually the hammer vote unbeknownst to you or anyone else. When you removed your vote and then replaced it, it did not matter because he had long been dead. Is that correct?Korts wrote:For the first part, what are you talking about the L-1 vote being the hammer? As for the justification, I explained it quite clearly I thought. The claim of "cleric" seemed to fit only marginally with the theme, like a fakeclaim made up on the spot.