remember, before he linked me to tubby, Korts linked me to someone else:
Korts in 738 wrote:afatchic wrote:Adel- BoW may have been the scummiest play i have ever read through. he def. ranks up in the top 3 or 5. and reading through i was astounded he wasn't lynched a few pages into day 1. however if you look at it assuming he is town, i believe there is a very logical explanation, which i expect to hear from Adel later in the game. If i don't hear the explanation i am waiting for, i may be inclined to vote him based on how badly BoW played, but right now i think he is a townie.
This paragraph seems particularly wishy-washy, even for you, afatchic. You first state that Adel's predecessor is definitely scummy, then you assume he's town, then you demand an explanation from Adel; and finally you conclude that right now she's probably a townie. I sense a connection; such uncertainty makes me think of a partnership where you can't decide whether to bus, distance or defend.
Korts in 805 wrote:tubby216 wrote:so ecto are you saying adel is scum??
cause i tried that on one of my re-reads and then dropped it cause all i found is WIFOM arguments that weren't pro town,
and if somone claims to have the gun would you then want rage to track that person to confirm that they indeed shot that person?
what if there are two guns out there??
i mean if we are playin what if letts throw it all out there right?
Note: tubby is defending Adel. If tubby flips scum, Adel has a slightly higher chance of being scum herself.
tubby, have you finished the case on me and Rage yet?
he is the first time Korts linked me to tubby.
Korts in 824 wrote:Adel wrote:who has actually done some research over there, and what were your conclusions?
Unfortunately I haven't had much time or patience for that. Nevertheless, tubby has more than enough on him for a lynch IMO.
Why vote IP when as far as I gathered your top suspect is tubby?
Korts in 828 wrote:afatchic wrote:Just an idea, but since right now it seems that tubby will be lynched, can everyone give their second suspect if:
a)Tubby is scum
b)Tubby is not scum
- In order:
- Rage
- Adel
- Rage
so Korts was still more suspicious of Rage than me at this point, even after Rage had claimed tracker.
Rememebr that Korts stayed on the Rage wagon longer than others, and voted for tubby only after Kison, Ecto, IP and I did, and then only once Ecto and IP and I had unvoted. tubby only had one vote when Korts placed a second vote on him at 681.
Korts in 681 wrote:Kison being on both wagons is a very minor point.
insanepenguin's argument that he couldn't have voted darkdude if he was scum is either extremely thick-headed or scum being at a loss as to how to react to speculation (which makes him thick-headed to a lesser extent). IP, why did you consider the implied connection between you and darkdude something which you had to reply to, other than acknowledging the theory?
The lessening of pressure on tubby is a sad thing; unfortunately I haven't had the time to go through his games, so I have nothing new on him.
I also notice my vote is still on Rage, who I think answered the case on him pretty well. Let's correct that.
unvote, vote: tubby
The reasons: tubby's appeal to role-specific meta; his passive role in scumhunting; frequent bandwagon hopping on the most popular wagons and application of general pressure wherever the most people are turning.
and tubby fired off a quick reply in 682
tubby216 in 682 wrote:so are you trying to relieve pressure from your partner IP there korts or what?
it seems like an easy thing to do since i am a popular target and people would surely jump back on.
but you cleverly give yourself an out cause you suspect him of being thick headed and kinda scummy?
after 682 Korts and tubby exchange some brief words over ad hom. attacks.
tubby216 in 686 wrote:because i am working a post with a case on you as well as ip, but i felt your post needed attention, since thats what i got when i read it
Adel in 687 wrote:vote:tubby
I want to see this alleged case of his.
Note that tubby never posted his alleged case on Korts.
and then IP jumped aboard the wagon, setting Korts at lynch -1 in post 692.
Korts in 698 wrote:insanepenguin wrote:For one, you have been in this game from the first day so should have no reason not to follow the game play. But it seems that as time as gone by, you have been separating yourself more and more from the game, not being as analytical as you were before, etc. This makes me wonder why. I guess that I shouldn’t say that I think it is scummy it is just interesting. Interesting because with less analysis and activity, you start to lose that pro-town feel that you are looking out for the best of the town. I wish I could get more here but I’m having trouble reading into you much more than that…
I've said this multiple times. I have exams in January and studying takes up the majority of my time; and the overnight walls of text in this game make it a hard read. I'm sorry if my activity is lacking, and I will correct that once I'm through with the exams (if I don't have to go again, the last one's on jan. 7th)
is this the post of a scumbuddy letting his partner know that "I'm bussing you, and I'm going to be lurking, so please don't freak out that my vote is on you"?
Kison in 795 wrote:Tubmeister, what happened to this :
tubby216 wrote:sorry catching up, i appologize for my absence sick kids,
thing is owe, case on IP and case on Korts _ probably post by tonite
tubby216 in 796 wrote:i completely lost track of it,
was tubby planning on building a case against his scumbuddy and one Other player? Did he decide to bail on that idea? Why didn't he ever present his case?
The most simple answer I can think of is that OP is his partner, and the game totally looked lost.
Adel in 833 wrote:remember this?
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and the way that insaneP joined the rage and tubby wagons without what I consider to be good reasons, leads me to suspect that he is more likely to be scum than tubby.
Korts in 834 wrote:Hmm. Adel makes a fair point. But after the implied connection between tubby and Adel, I'd really like to see tubby lynched; if he does flip scum, the connection is now slightly more strongly implied.
I'm confident enough of Adelscum's skills to presume she wouldn't outright defend tubby, and she did vote him to L-1 recently; but I also think Adelscum wouldn't turn down the opportunity to lynch someone else over an incriminated partner, if she thinks she can make a strong enough case. And IP is the perfect target in case of a tubby-Adel scumteam.
hmmm.... after this post I hammered tubby as soon as afatchic placed tubby at lynch -1
the next day...
Korts wrote:First off, I support massclaiming tomorrow rather than today. It's pretty clear we're not in lylo yet.
Second, Adel is suspicious for suggesting two godfathers. Such a setup would render any cop practically useless, and since we know there was one cop at least, I'm more than prepared to rule out such a thing. I get the feeling you're just trying to avoid narrowing the field of suspicion down; Ecto is near-confirmed at this point.
Ecto wrote:I dont think we should mass claim. They still have to kill me, because regardless of what my power is, Im confirmed town.
You're nearly confirmed, but I wouldn't call you 100% confirmed yet. There's some chance of a 4-player scumgroup, with you and ThAdmiral as scum, however unlikely.
Adel wrote:Ectomancer wrote:I dont think we should mass claim. They still have to kill me, because regardless of what my power is, Im confirmed town.
or a godfather.
Pushing this theory is not constructive. It is more than unlikely that there would be two godfathers.
Adel wrote:Vig kill of Rage, but no scum kill would indicate another town role of roleblocker or protector. Would it really be best to mass claim in that situation?
Yes, we would have PR + who he protected as confirmed innocents.
Unless enough of their confirmed innocents are dead to make claiming unprofitable. If they haven't claimed yet, they shouldn't now.
As for Adel and tubby's previous interactions; if the connection that was implied by tubby's defense of Adel was one-sided, I would doubt my read and have to consider that tubby may have been tying himself to town, but Adel's voting pattern late into yesterday very much implies half-hearted support of the tubby-wagon (i.e. distancing/bussing). She also started pressuring IP when tubby came alarmingly close to the lynch threshold; there's no real doubt in my mind about her.
vote: Adel
I think that any theory that has be as scum needs to explain:
1. why I am so active (both in posting and in voting), and drawing so much attention to myself
2. why I built the wagon on tubby
3. why I hammered tubby.
If there are any other reasons anyone has for thinking I am scum, please let me know, so I can address them.