Mini 707: Cops and Robbers Mafia (Game Over)

[charter]

Vote Count:

Fuzzyman - 1 (corporate)
Green Crayons - 1 (Empking)

crywolf20084 - 3 (Mizzy, Green Crayons, Fuzzyman)

mykonian - 1 (q21)

Mizzy - 3 (Ether, crywolf20084, mykonian)

Not Voting: (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Looking for a corporate replacement STILL!!!!!!!!!!!! If anyone knows someone who would be willing to replace let me know!

[Ether]

I've been cursing for the last few days anyway, so I'm not really sure how to articulate that my annoyance is increasing, but it is.

I have literally banged my head into my desk out of sheer annoyance. More than once.

Aww. ♥

I'm seriously getting tempted to give Crywolf an ultimatum, but everything

except

her own behavior in this game just adds up better if she's town. Sigh.

[Ether]

So because I clearly haven't taken enough drastic measures like Mizzy yet:

Mykonian, remind me what it is you dislike about me that I haven't already successfully countered/demonstrated to be a town tell for me.

[Mizzy]

I'm seriously getting tempted to give Crywolf an ultimatum, but everything

except

her own behavior in this game just adds up better if she's town. Sigh.

She could just be really shitty town...but I don't think so, obviously.

[Fuzzyman]

If I get lynched, the game will probably go into lylo, if I counted correctly, so be careful.

I don't like the appeal to fear on this one. Maybe

you

should be careful, Mizzy.

[Mizzy]

I don't like the appeal to fear on this one. Maybe

you

should be careful, Mizzy.

I am completely and totally serious, here. If I get lynched, I

will

come up town and then unless something prevents it, there would be another NK, leaving us in lylo.

Go ahead and lynch me, I'm not any sort of power role.

[mykonian]

Ether: your crywolf vote without reasons, and I have to see what you come up with on mizzy. I don't know if this is a scumtell now...

[Fuzzyman]

Miz: Do you even know what an appeal to fear is?

[crywolf20084]

I'm going to reread the last pages to see what I think about the CW case but CW is acting very scummy. I really don't like the claim at three votes thing.

I love how this flew under the radar.

Emp, I was at L-1, and there were several people willing to hammer me otherwise. I didn't care that I only had three votes right there.

[Mizzy]

Miz: Do you even know what an appeal to fear is?

Yes, it is. And this isn't it. Go ahead and lynch me, I'm fine with it. It's a warning for tomorrow. I didn't say it to appeal to anything, I said it because it's important.

[Mizzy]

Erm, I mean, Yes, I do. Sorry, not much sleep.

[Ether]

Mizzy's 940 is how she always talks; I wouldn't worry about it either way. Her actually saying "go ahead and lynch me" does set me further on edge.

Ether: your crywolf vote without reasons, and I have to see what you come up with on mizzy. I don't know if this is a scumtell now...

Both alignments would eventually have to give a reason. But in the meantime, other players should try to think about what those reasons are. I have given reasons--process of elimination, all her many many bandwagony (and OMGUSy) votes, reactive behavior...and, well, gut. Gut was definitely a factor. My vote was a way of expressing my opinion, not a sly attempt to slip onto an already-active bandwagon unnoticed. I don't see the sinister motive you do. (There are very few instances in which I'd vote someone who had recently accumulated votes from other people as well--I always feel better when my votes make a statement.)

The reactions I cited are a "you try to feel out where I got my position from and then I try to feel out your efforts to see things from my position" sort of thing. Like I said, I don't think unexplained votes are scummy, so I don't agree that this boils down to "oh, I was doing something scummy for the reactions!" And it should be obvious that I would not hammer a claimed cop without a damn good reason--being a cop in an open setup with only one cop

might

qualify, but of course the hammer wouldn't be a reaction thing then. I agree that that's making it absurd.

Do you have a problem with any of this?

The longer Crywolf stalls, the more bored I get. Very unfortunate.

[mykonian]

yes, kind of. It is very general, and even then, I don't know if that is conclusive to be scum. I am not completely happy with it.

[Ether]

yes, kind of.

It

is very general, and even then, I don't know if

that

is conclusive to be scum. I am not completely happy with

it

.

I'm not really clear on what you're mulling over. Elaborate?

My second paragraph was a counterpoint to your trying to make reaction-hunting sound ridiculous; the first was more relevant to the actual vote.

(If you're interested, I could also give you links to more instances of me voting without explanation as town, but that feels like the lazy approach when I could just be chipping away at your mafia theory and enlightening you for future games to come.)

[mykonian]

mostly the first paragraph. There are some general statement that you give as reasons for your vote. Bandwagony, omgusy votes. Reactive behaviour. And if they are true, does it make crywolf scum? If I was scum, a proces of elimination would be quite easy to fake. And gut, well gut as a reason is pretty weak, isn't it?

So I'm not thrilled by post 881.

[Mizzy]

mostly the first paragraph. There are some general statement that you give as reasons for your vote. Bandwagony, omgusy votes.

This goes along with the lack of scumhunting point against her.

A scum does not have to look for scum, they have to look like they are scumhunting when in fact they are trying to get townies lynched. To these ends, scum will a) bandwagon, b) vote without a case or without adding anything original of their own to a case, c) react in certain ways to situations, d) try and direct suspicion onto those suspicion of them, e) not actually offer any content to the game and instead try and

look

productive, f) question-dodge, etc. You get the drift.

Now, townies are often guilty of some of these things, too, but when they add up time and time again, that's when you have to draw the line. Cry has not yet given a good defense of her actions (calling something bullshit is not a defense) when, if she were town, it would be in her best interest to do.

My vote is still on her and will remain on her mostly because of this last point. If she were town, she would be doing everything in her power to defend against the points brought against her and she would be scumhunting right now in order to give town a better target for their votes. She's not defending against cases on her and she's not making cases on anyone else. In fact, she's barley responding at all. That is the biggest reason why, to me, she's scum.

[Empking]

I'm going to reread the last pages to see what I think about the CW case but CW is acting very scummy. I really don't like the claim at three votes thing.

I love how this flew under the radar.

Emp, I was at L-1, and there were several people willing to hammer me otherwise. I didn't care that I only had three votes right there.

You weren't at L-1 when you claimed though.

Vote: CW

I think the case on her is strong and everything she's done sinse Ether accused her has been scummy.

[charter]

bionicchop2 replaces corporate, and there was much rejoicing.

Vote Count:

Fuzzyman - 1 (bionicchop2)

crywolf20084 - 4 (Mizzy, Green Crayons, Fuzzyman, Empking)

mykonian - 1 (q21)
Mizzy - 3 (Ether, crywolf20084, mykonian)

Not Voting: (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[mykonian]

yay!

[Ether]

On one hand, maybe this'll spur Crywolf to actually do some shit.

On the other hand, I kinda wish Canary or Fuzzyman would unvote. (I am playing waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of my hand here.)

mostly the first paragraph. There are some general statement that you give as reasons for your vote. Bandwagony, omgusy votes. Reactive behaviour. And if they are true, does it make crywolf scum? If I was scum, a proces of elimination would be quite easy to fake. And gut, well gut as a reason is pretty weak, isn't it?

I cited a pattern that is indeed more likely for scum to follow than town. Clearly, though, I've changed my mind; I think I've seen something even stronger in Mizzy. Process of elimination is still a valid reason, and "if I was scum [...] would be easy to fake" wouldn't make my interpretation any less valid a train of thought for me as town. Gut is

not

a weak reason (especially when it's backed by general patterns like I've pointed out). You aren't being fair here--you're running on confirmation bias at this point. You

want

my behavior to be scummy.

[Mizzy]

Clearly, though, I've changed my mind; I think I've seen something even stronger in Mizzy.

You've always sucked at reading me, though.

[Ether]

Your effort to discredit me is incorrect. I was wrong about you for the first day of PYP2, when I had never seen you play before and you replaced someone who I had also found scummy; obviously I didn't have to keep trying to read you after Day 1, since you masonized me overnight. In Mini 594, I used my meta from the then-ongoing Packrats to correctly conclude that you were town at the beginning of Day 3, despite your heavy lurking in that game, without giving you significant pressure before that. (It was only after metaing you that I realized by process of elimination that you

had

to be the governor, and, therefore, town.)

[bionicchop2]

*rejoices*

My reading will focus on day 2. With 6 days until deadline, don't expect super-analysis from me.

[crywolf20084]

A) Hi Bionic.

B) Post coming after my math class which I'm leaving for in less than ten minutes.

[Ether]

Thanks. But filtering Charter's posts here, there's no mention of a deadline.