Mini #717 - Alpha Centauri Smalltown (Game Over!)

[charter]

Emp's last post has just gone to the realm of beyond ridiculous.

[Empking]

You serious? Why?

Right now I'm all for making Cephrir place the lynching vote on Empking

Er, shouldn't we trying to lynch scum (DP) instead of town.

[charter]

What do you think of Ceph Emp?

[Empking]

Emp's last post has just gone to the realm of beyond ridiculous.

You don't find not wanting to make a stand scummy? Or is it that you think we should be looking for odd people instead of scum?

I think I already said about Ceph.

[iamausername]

"Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks--those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", Datalinks

-=Vote Count #21=-

Empking (2) - Occam, Raging Rabbit
Drunken Piper (1) - Empking
Cephrir (1) - charter
charter (1) - Drunken Piper

Not Voting (3) - Cephrir, MacavityLock, ortolan

5 to lynch.

-=MacavityLock's lack of access is noted, his prod-counter is on hold until the 20th. Now seeking a replacement for Drunken Piper=-

[charter]

I think there are other "not wanting to make a stand"s that DP has done that are scummy (namely his extreme opposition to popcorning). His response to yours I don't see any tell from alignment. The way I saw the whole thing go down went a little something like this
Emp asks DP a ridiculous question.
DP doesn't answer.
Emp keeps pursuing.
DP gets all mad.
Everyone else says the question was dumb.
Emp still keeps pursuing.

I don't see the whole exchange between you two as an indicator of alignment on either.
Would you mind reiterating for me your feelings on Ceph please.

[Raging Rabbit]

Emp, this isn't an issue of "taking a stand".

Nobody

supports random lynching, there is no risk factor involved in saying you don't. The answer to that question is so evident, it's not worth asking and not worth answering. You remind me of the people who join these "1000000 people against cancer" groups on Facebook, as if there's some sort of a "I *heart* cancer" group for them to protest against.

I think you're just trying really hard to throw suspicion DP's way.

[Empking]

Cephrir's recent posts are wierd and don't seem to follow the same thought. Slightly more scummy and he's still one of my big perople I'd vote for.

Charter I asked you a question. It was about you saying that my post in regards to RR's "story" was ridiculous?

[Occam]

as if there's some sort of a "I *heart* cancer" group for them to protest against.

Good point, I'll go make one right away.

Emp's looking worse and worse pushing this point so far beyond the point of reason.

[charter]

Cephrir's recent posts are wierd and don't seem to follow the same thought. Slightly more scummy and he's still one of my big perople I'd vote for.

Charter I asked you a question. It was about you saying that my post in regards to RR's "story" was ridiculous?

RR's post was to show you that you're being ridiculous. The fact that you gave a serious answer is just taking it too far.

[Cephrir]

I'll have time for the case at some point, but I think I should point out that it would be kinda dumb to get me killed without allowing me to use my ability as an investigation.

[charter]

I'd also like to point out if you are town, and your ability is of use to us, then what's to stop the scum from NK'ing you and framing someone else? Also, how would we even know who you confirm if scum kill you? That would mean ort has to protect you, and I'm not sold on ort just yet, and I would much rather him keep protecting RR. Or ML could block you. A MILLION things can go wrong.

In short, trying to save yourself by saying you haven't used your ability yet isn't going to fly. Speaking of which, why did you not use it last night?

[Occam]

what's to stop the scum from NK'ing you and framing someone else?

How do you know there's a framer?

[Occam]

Oh. Nevermind. I'm stupid.

[Cephrir]

I'd also like to point out if you are town, and your ability is of use to us, then what's to stop the scum from NK'ing you and framing someone else? Also, how would we even know who you confirm if scum kill you? That would mean ort has to protect you, and I'm not sold on ort just yet, and I would much rather him keep protecting RR. Or ML could block you. A MILLION things can go wrong.

True. But if I live, then it's pretty conclusive, and if I die then you don't have to lynch me.

Speaking of which, why did you not use it last night?

Because DP hadn't instilled a ton of confidence in me as to his protownness, and I wasn't sure enough that my top townie as of yesterday (you) both was town and wouldn't die.

[ortolan]

I echo charter's 711. Cephrir, when I first saw you hadn't used your ability I wondered why you would wait a day until using it, surely the likelihood of there being more townies around is greater on day one compared to day two, and we could really use an apparently cleared player on day two rather than day three, especially as by day three you claiming to successfully mason someone is even more likely to be a scum gambit.

I thought the alternative was that you simply didn't intend to use your ability at all this game. If you are town, then on night one you would have had a 40% chance of hitting scum anyway- Monkey was eliminated and flipped town, you can't target yourself and we're assuming for this you're one of the townies which leaves 10 players you could target, 4 of whom were scum (I'm pretty sure you die if you target the SK, also). So it seems maybe it's best if you don't use your ability at all. The risk of dying in the process may not be worth the benefit of clearing someone in your mind (and getting to night-talk to them), especially when town can't be sure you're not lying and clearing a scumbuddy anyway.

But then you tell us

I'll have time for the case at some point, but I think I should point out that it would be kinda dumb to get me killed without allowing me to use my ability as an investigation.

So apparently you still intend to use your mason ability tonight, even though it's got greater chance of hitting scum now. And I wouldn't think "masoning someone who died that night" would be so bad, you don't lose anything out of it, it's just not as good as the optimal outcome of clearing someone who's alive- it's still much, much better than the worst outcome of you dying from targeting scum and us not even knowing who it was, which is a more likely outcome of you using your ability tonight rather than yesterday.

True. But if I live, then it's pretty conclusive, and if I die then you don't have to lynch me.

Not at all. It's still very possibly a scum gambit for you to clear your buddy and endgame us day/night 3.

Speaking of which, why did you not use it last night?

Because DP hadn't instilled a ton of confidence in me as to his protownness,

What's this about DP, was he your second preference or something?

Either way,

Vote: Cephrir

I don't see any point in forcing Cephrir to kill Empking at this point, I will have to re-read but he does have a scummy-meta and we're potentially adding townie casualties. Plus nightkills on him have no adverse effects for their perpetrators

[Empking]

Cephrir's recent posts are wierd and don't seem to follow the same thought. Slightly more scummy and he's still one of my big perople I'd vote for.

Charter I asked you a question. It was about you saying that my post in regards to RR's "story" was ridiculous?

RR's post was to show you that you're being ridiculous. The fact that you gave a serious answer is just taking it too far.

But that quote defines RR's reasons for voting me. Not that I'm acting scummy but that I'm acting odd.

[Raging Rabbit]

I'm saying you're doing whatever you can to make your target look bad and avoid your own interrogation.

ortolan makes an excellent point, Ceph's attempt to defend himself by bringing up the masoning is very scummy. I think emp's probably scum as well so I'd favor a double kill, but just lynching Ceph works as well.

[Empking]

How am I avoiding my own interrogation?

Also, does your silence mean that you are voting me because you think my play is "odd" than scummy.

[Raging Rabbit]

By refusing to answer DP's questions until he answers yours.

I just explained why you were scummy...

[Empking]

1. You mean a completely reasonable and pro-town thing?

2. But you wouldn't respond to the fact that your example was a person acting "odd".

[Raging Rabbit]

No.

My example reffered to real life. I dunno about you, but I hardly spend my days on a lookout for the mafia. If the guy responded to being asked if he supports AIDS by taking out some rope and lynching the other guy, I'd say they both acted odd.

[Empking]

Then what do you mean?

Then what's the point of bringing it up?

[Raging Rabbit]

I mean you tried to dodge questions and paint the other guy black by really contrived measures.

It's a metaphor.

[Empking]

How did I try to paint the other guy black by really contrived measures?

But if it lacks relevance to this game, what's the point in bringing it up?