Mini #717 - Alpha Centauri Smalltown (Game Over!)

[Occam]

Plus, everyone will know that I'm not going to be able to commute tomorrow, scum included, if we follow ML's plan. I don't agree with it.

[iamausername]

"Men in their arrogance claim to understand the nature of creation, and devise elaborate theories to describe its behavior. But always they discover in the end that God was quite a bit more clever than they thought."

-- Sister Miriam Godwinson, "We Must Dissent"

-=Vote Count #20=-

Empking (2) - Occam, Raging Rabbit
Drunken Piper (1) - Empking
Cephrir (1) - charter

Not Voting (4) - Cephrir, Drunken Piper, MacavityLock, ortolan

5 to lynch.

[ortolan]

If I was commuter-town I would have absolutely no qualms with lying about having commuted.

This is why I specifically asked for Occam's sign-off on the plan.

So basically you were trying to get him to reveal whether he in fact *did* commute or no commute last night- obviously if he's happy to let the plan go through it indicates he wasn't lying, if he's not then it suggests he did commute last night, so you just told the mafia they could get him tonight. Either way all your plan and its discussion serves to do is make scum's job easier.

[charter]

Case on Ceph coming now. Right now I'm just going on my gut that he's scum, we'll see what I come up with.

[Drunken Piper]

very little time,
for rhyme.

vote charter

reason to come....but mostly from play yesterday versus his night kill.

also a retort to Emp "answers" or lack thereof when I get a second...

RL is super busy..trying not to replace out of games.

[charter]

62- Ceph votes Occam
84- Oman votes Ceph
87- Ceph Unvotes Occam
Here's something I didn't pay any attention to yesterday. Why on earth was Ceph apologizing for putting someone at L-3 in the RVS? There's nothing wrong with that, why did he even get attacked? When questioned, all he should have said, was "what's wrong with putting someone at L-3?"
Oman pushes a crap case for a bit. This reaks of distancing. No one would lynch Ceph for putting someone at L-3, even if his reaction to being called by Oman is less than stellar.
101- Ceph votes Oman for an equally poor reason, more distancing
136- RR sums this up nicely
Ceph and Oman are both VERY quiet around here. Neither is pushing for the other's lynch. They are letting others argue and insert their two cents in every once in a while.
224- Unvotes Oman to look at my farside using craplogic case. I don't think he once mentioned Oman while Ceph was voting for him.

410- Here's something that is making me heavily question Empking being buddies with Oman.

Ceph does some preparing to board the MM wagon.
450- Now it looks like he's ready to board MM. I don't believe he once mentioned Gremwell while voting for him. It looks like he's doing a gradual shift because it's becoming fairly clear that MM is going to be lynched over Gremwell.
506- Goes onto MM without any real reason.
533- Oman distancing Ceph. Has magically gone back to suspecting him when he's talked a lot about ort being scummy as well and hasn't mentioned Ceph in ages.

Day two now
573- Doesn't take a stance on claiming. Odd, everyone else has one.
629- RR summed this up nice
Doesn't give much opinions on people

Ceph, why no action last night?
Also, from this I really don't see Empking as scum, I see Ceph as way scummier. DP looks slightly scummish too (preview edit, I formed this before I saw his vote, if anyone cares).

Something unrelated, If when this game is over, ort is scum I will be so pissed.

[MacavityLock]

Plus, everyone will know that I'm not going to be able to commute tomorrow, scum included, if we follow ML's plan. I don't agree with it.

This is a very interesting comment.

How does it help scum to know that you can't commute N3? Only in that they could potentially kill you. However, given the variety of other kill targets, does it really matter? If you didn't say anything, they'd probably choose to kill someone else on the chance that you did choose to commute. So, hiding whether you can or not will probably not save us a death. This is a similar argument to DP's about Bulletproof.

Now, how does it help town to know that you can't commute N3? Quite a bit, actually. We could potentially block/track/masonize you to attempt to confirm.

So, can anyone find a reason that having public knowledge that Occam wouldn't be able to commute N3 would be anti-town?

[charter]

Yes, for the reason Occam said.

FOS ML for dragging your whole idea on incessantly. It all stems from you not trusting me to vig. Now it's gotten completely out of hand. It's like you're attempting to find out when Occam is going to commute and when he isn't. Not only Occam, but you just want to plan out a whole slew of actions now. Why do you need to know? No one else needs to.

[Occam]

It would be bad because I could be NKd, yes, and we won't know what our situation is going to look like going into N3 until the end of day 3, so it's impossible to say where we will be then. It could potentially be very bad for the town if the scum know they can kill me N3.

[Cephrir]

Gah, why does everyone have to lynch me in both my active games simultaneously. I'll deal with this later.

[charter]

Hardly "everyone" wants to lynch you...

[ortolan]

I'd be happy to vote Cephrir at this stage.

So, can anyone find a reason that having public knowledge that Occam wouldn't be able to commute N3 would be anti-town?

Can you give me any reason why knowledge of whether or not he has commuted/ will commute helps town in any way?

I am awaiting DP's case on charter.

[Empking]

very little time,
for rhyme.

vote charter

reason to come....but mostly from play yesterday versus his night kill.

also a retort to Emp "answers" or lack thereof when I get a second...

RL is super busy..trying not to replace out of games.

Not going to answer my questions though?

[Raging Rabbit]

emp, you're going beyond ridiculous. How is the answer to "do you support random lynching?" anything but completely obvious?

ML's plan doesn't help the town one bit and supplies extra info for the scum, so I'm concerned about him continuing to push it.

[Cephrir]

My internet is being extremely screwy, possible LA.

[MacavityLock]

Likely last post before my No Access begins.

Occam's 683 makes sense, so I'm done with that.

[Empking]

emp, you're going beyond ridiculous. How is the answer to "do you support random lynching?" anything but completely obvious?

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I'd say so but the fact that he dodged the question is what's important.

DP: Has been ages, that's what's ridiculous.

[charter]

Did he actually dodge them or just ignore them?
I would have ignored that question myself.

[Raging Rabbit]

If you saw a guy walk down the street and another guy comes up to him and asks if he by any chance supports the AIDS virus, and the guy gives him a funny look and keeps going without bothering to answer, who would you think acted odd?

[Occam]

LOL

[charter]

If you saw a guy walk down the street and another guy comes up to him and asks if he by any chance supports the AIDS virus, and the guy gives him a funny look and keeps going without bothering to answer, who would you think acted odd?

RR is obvscum.

[ortolan]

You serious? Why?

Right now I'm all for making Cephrir place the lynching vote on Empking

[Drunken Piper]

I have got to ask for a replacement (had to do this in all my games)...I am sorry. I have been a mod and know what a pain in the ass this is. Mod I will make it up to you. RL is just too fucking busy.

[Empking]

If you saw a guy walk down the street and another guy comes up to him and asks if he by any chance supports the AIDS virus, and the guy gives him a funny look and keeps going without bothering to answer, who would you think acted odd?

We're not voting for who acts odd. We're looking for who ascts scum. In your case its definately the first guy. (doesn't want to commit to a view point.)

[charter]

You serious? Why?

Right now I'm all for making Cephrir place the lynching vote on Empking

No, that was a joke, in response to RR's obvious joke.

I'm still all for just lynching Ceph, but I'll take a Ceph death either way.