Mini #717 - Alpha Centauri Smalltown (Game Over!)

[Raging Rabbit]

I think we're better off with the popcorn method we talked about earlier. Since Occam basically volunteered his claim, he should choose the next to do so.

And I agree it makes sense to also claim if you know you got targeted by other roles (i.e masonier or inventor).

[Raging Rabbit]

Also, we should pretty much not discuss anything until the claims are done with.

[Empking]

Vote: Drunken Piper

Trying to get random claims with a descision from the town to do that clearly not pro-town plan.

As I have no night action.

DrunkenPiper, you can go first.

[Drunken Piper]

oh, and we find out who
who doesnt like protown moves..

(sip)

dice claiming is the MOST random and least likely for scum to manipulate. EXPLAIN TO ME HOW wanting random claiming is scummy. and why I am worth a vote even before we have ANY claims..popcorn claiming helps scum craft their claims....

also, before you voted Emp..did you read ANY of the smalltown games that have come before?

No discussion should be had about yesterday's play before the claims are done...if you have a problem with this PLEASE READ THE OTHER SMALLTOWN GAMES..you will be enlightened. discussion about yesterday's plays will help scum craft their claim today..claims are how we hunt scum...

if you have a problem with dice claiming..I want an explanation WHY..NOW...

if you think I am scummy for wanting dice claiming..I want an explanation NOW

this is crucial at the beginning part of the Day 2. Only scum will be frightened of random claiming..

[Drunken Piper]

Orto, you are still up.

[Raging Rabbit]

I think popcorn holds people accountable for more choices, and is thus slightly better than random.

[Empking]

oh, and we find out who
who doesnt like protown moves..

(sip)

dice claiming is the MOST random and least likely for scum to manipulate. EXPLAIN TO ME HOW wanting random claiming is scummy. and why I am worth a vote even before we have ANY claims..popcorn claiming helps scum craft their claims....

Because Random Voting gives less info than pop corning.

also, before you voted Emp..did you read ANY of the smalltown games that have come before?

Yes. I played Smalltown+ as well. This bit is exceptionally scummy.

No discussion should be had about yesterday's play before the claims are done..

Who was? Not me. Very Scummy

.if you have a problem with this PLEASE READ THE OTHER SMALLTOWN GAMES..you will be enlightened. discussion about yesterday's plays will help scum craft their claim today..claims are how we hunt scum...

Capital text, got a bit angry for just one vote.

if you have a problem with dice claiming..I want an explanation WHY..NOW...

if you think I am scummy for wanting dice claiming..I want an explanation NOW

this is crucial at the beginning part of the Day 2. Only scum will be frightened of random claiming..

Still overly angry. Not only that but he's trying to argue that I'm scum because I think DP is scum.

Ortolan: Don't claim.

Its DP's turn.

[curiouskarmadog]

but let me see here
what you hold so near.

(sip)

I think popcorn holds people accountable for more choices, and is thus slightly better than random.

how do I know that Occam is not scum..by volunteering to go first (and you supporting his going first to pick the next claim) occamscum gets to pick who claims next and help scum figure out how to claim later.

if it is random..NO ONE gets to claim first and pick the order of claiming.

it needs to be random...I have seen scum "popcorn" claim before. I also have seen scum argue random dice claiming....i am not pulling this out of my ass...scum fear random claim because it fucks with their control!!!!!

[Drunken Piper]

the above is me

[Drunken Piper]

Empking...what game have you played I want a link

[Empking]

CKD & DP; Do you support random lynching?

CKD; When did RR suggest Occam chose who does the first claim?

[Empking]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937

DP: Stop trying to back out of it. Claim.

[Drunken Piper]

EMP READ THE GAEM

I think we're better off with the popcorn method we talked about earlier.

Since Occam basically volunteered his claim, he should choose the next to do so.

And I agree it makes sense to also claim if you know you got targeted by other roles (i.e masonier or inventor).

[Drunken Piper]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937

DP: Stop trying to back out of it. Claim.

that was hardly a smalltown game that needed random claiming..

7 people died day one..and 1 night 1..

[Drunken Piper]

have you played any other smalltown games?

[Empking]

EMP READ THE GAEM

I think we're better off with the popcorn method we talked about earlier.

Since Occam basically volunteered his claim, he should choose the next to do so.

And I agree it makes sense to also claim if you know you got targeted by other roles (i.e masonier or inventor).

Still Angry.

(It was probably Semi-Simu BTW)

DP: Its your turn to claim.

[Drunken Piper]

so I am scummy for wanting the random claiming? WHY IS RANDOM CLAIMING SCUMMY? Have you ever seen it in a smalltown game? have you ever seen popcron claiming in a smalltown game? HAVE YOU EVER READ ANY OTHER SMALLTOWN GAMES?

BUT,. you are not scummy for wanting to control the claim order? ie not fully claiming and wanting me to claim (you do know I am a BP right with no night actions)

also so what if I am angry?..explain that that is revelant (please god say that over reaction and anger was scummy..please)

Emp why are you not curious (ie wanting a link) of games that scum have argued random claiming...why are you not curious (wanting a link) of games that scum wanted to control the order of claiming Day 2?

[Empking]

so I am scummy for wanting the random claiming? WHY IS RANDOM CLAIMING SCUMMY?

As Popcorning is more pro-town.

BUT,. you are not scummy for wanting to control the claim order? ie not fully claiming

I did fully claim.

and wanting me to claim (you do know I am a BP right with no night actions)

That just makes your reluctance to claim even scummier.

also so what if I am angry?..explain that that is revelant (please god say that over reaction and anger was scummy..please)

Over reaction is scummy.

Emp why are you not curious (ie wanting a link) of games that scum have argued random claiming...why are you not curious (wanting a link) of games that scum wanted to control the order of claiming Day 2?

Because there is a search button on this site.

[Raging Rabbit]

I still think popcorn yields better results and gives us more info. We could start with a random target if you're so paranoid about conspiracies. You could link us to the games you're talking about, but I doubt I'll have the time to read them anytime soon.

Hi CKD.

[MacavityLock]

Highlights of Oman-scum's game (w/ commentary):

Plus its a risk reward thing, i'd rather kill a town politician than a town doctor.

In the light of Oman being scum this is a handy comment. MM WAS a town politician. Does this mean ort (doc) is at the very least not S.C.U.M.?

No.

I think that regular popcorn would slightly help find links once we've found the next scum while dice popcorn would slightly prevent the scum from hiding now. The SK doesn't care about claiming, since their NK is an additional action and is untrackable, etc. So, only the two S.C.U.M. care about this, and it feels to me like 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

I don't think that Emp should unilaterally decide that DP goes first. I think it should be either:

• Regular popcorn - Occum completes his claim (did he receive an invention, etc.) and chooses who to go next.
  Dice popcorn - ort claims and dices who to go next.

How does the dice tag work, by the way?

[Empking]

Dice Popcorn = No, its not even proper popcorning.

Regular Popcorn - Occam has a role and picked that he went first - Him popcorning - No.

The two night actionless people should go first. That makes sense.

[Drunken Piper]

Bold is me
you see

sip

so I am scummy for wanting the random claiming? WHY IS RANDOM CLAIMING SCUMMY?

As Popcorning is more pro-town.

Fine, But we randomly pick who goes first..The role of the dice says Orto..then Orto can choose WHO goes second...do you have a problem with that?

BUT,. you are not scummy for wanting to control the claim order? ie not fully claiming

I did fully claim.

you did not..you didnt claim if anyone targetted you last night...but I dont think you should fully claim till it is your turn.

and wanting me to claim (you do know I am a BP right with no night actions)

That just makes your reluctance to claim even scummier.

This is total bullshit....and you are ignoring SO much to make that statement it is ridiculous..

also so what if I am angry?..explain that that is revelant (please god say that over reaction and anger was scummy..please)

Over reaction is scummy.

I love it when people say this...I find 4 out of 5 times, when people push that over reaction is scummy..they are scum themselves....please...explain to me how over reaction is scummy...then show me a game where you developed this theory. Any clue why CKD (my alt) got the title "This Space for Rant"? Because I play hot...when I see bullshit, i call...and I dont pansy around. Now back yourself up..Why is over reacting scummy? Where did you get this idea from? Do you have a game link where scum over reacted? What will you say when i come up with 3 games I have been in where scum has pushed my play are "over reacting = scummy".

Emp why are you not curious (ie wanting a link) of games that scum have argued random claiming...why are you not curious (wanting a link) of games that scum wanted to control the order of claiming Day 2?

Because there is a search button on this site.

What does that mean...you have seen games where scum have argued against random claiming? If so, which ones? Why are you THEN attacking me for wanting to do it, when you should know (since "there is a search button on site") that scum hate random claiming? Furthermore...if you are town and you know that scum want to control Day 2 claiming...how could you possibly think someone who wants completely random claiming scummy..

I call bullshit on you sir.

the two night actionless people should go first is ridiculous....if I agree to popcorn..will you agree that Orto should go first becuase it was completely random? if not..why?..

[ortolan]

I protected Raging Rabbit last night

I am interested that no-one targeted him in light of the pro-town read I was getting on him and the fact he is the tracker (although it could be put down to nightkill-WIFOM either way)

I would like to hear from charter next.

Btw I would prefer if the last two were MacavityLock and Raging Rabbit, in that order, cause they can potentially contradict people's claims if they're lying (and otherwise the people in question will know in advance to nominate an alternative lie).

[Cephrir]

Does it really matter how we do it? Popcorn is fine, random would have been OK too.

[Occam]

To solve this order of claiming debate why don't we do it in this order:

Resolution order for night actions:

1. Commuting
2. Blocking
3. Redirecting
4. Invention Giving
5. Protection (Blocking and protection functions of Jailkeeping will b resolved separately)
6. Killing
7. Vote Buying
8. Masoning
9. Tracking

Conveniently I claimed first and if we use this method that fits.

Also, as far as I know I was not targeted last night - at least, I wasn't informed that I was.