Mini 680: Portlandia- Game Over!

Riceballtail · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:32 pm

Or it could be a two cop game, and afat and ice are both lying to get a townie lynched, since we are easily in a LyLo situation. My problem is that fat's claim always gets under my skin with how he has two different results on two VTs. It's because of this that I think he is a fake cop. I am also suspicious of how fat kinda "fell" into the claim, as Zaz's original claim was that it would be better to NL than lynch a cop, and then begins to follow Q21's lead on how the role worked. Honestly, I don't like trying to lynch a cop, but I feel that we're going to end up having to pick between Ice and fat either today or tomorrow.

My list:
Ice/Fat - One is definitely scum.
X - Miller claim could throw off cops saying it early, assuring a scum victory if everyone believes it.

Vote Count as of post 900

(2)Riceballtail: bionicchop2, afatchic
(1)No Lynch: X,

Not Voting:, icemanE, Riceballtail, Knight of Cydonia, chazworthington, Farkshinsoup
5 votes to lynch.

X · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:38 pm

Are you responding to this?

X wrote:I don't think it'd be out of line to ask you to detail a case on your top 2 or 3 suspects.

Because by no means is that a detailed case.

And if I understand you correctly, you think I'm scum because the Miller claim makes the multiple Cops more likely? Hyposcum X would not know to claim Miller, because he wouldn't know that there were multiple Cops.

Riceballtail · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:47 pm

It's a lot more babbling and less casework.

I still say it's true though.

I also think that claiming miller would be a good scum tactic too, and it's gotten you through this far.

X · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:01 am

Unvote: No Lynch

,

Vote: RBT

. Also:

Mod, check the numbers on your vote count.

afatchic · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:35 pm

Ice- if you have a guilty on RBT why are you not voting him?

Riceballtail · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:21 pm

VOTE:X

Definitely scum trying to get the lynch here.

X · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:49 pm

There are two Cops effectively claiming guilties on you, yet you decide that I'm the most likely to be scum? That just doesn't make sense.

Things I want to see Today:

icemanE explaining why he didn't consider the possibility that he was insane
Input from/replacement of chaz
Input from KoC
RBT lynch

And possibly, PBPAs from everyone. I tend to use that to mean Player By Player Analysis. If everyone thinks that this would be productive, I would have no problem going first.

Riceballtail · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:52 pm

Because I make the notion you are scum, and you OMGUS me for it, putting me at L-1 for one of your scumbuddies to lynch me. Unless, that is, they're all already on my wagon. This is also possible.

bionicchop2 · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:04 pm

RBT, you make no sense.

afatchic claims to be an insane cop. If you are town, you can be 100% sure he is scum, yet you play the confused card (how could he get different results on two vanillas????) and try to throw suspicion in other directions.

Either afatchic is lying scum or you are.

X · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:38 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:RBT, you make no sense.

afatchic claims to be an insane cop. If you are town, you can be 100% sure he is scum, yet you play the confused card (how could he get different results on two vanillas????) and try to throw suspicion in other directions.

Either afatchic is lying scum or you are.

BINGO!

I thought I said this already...

bionicchop2 · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:51 pm

X wrote:
bionicchop2 wrote:RBT, you make no sense.

afatchic claims to be an insane cop. If you are town, you can be 100% sure he is scum, yet you play the confused card (how could he get different results on two vanillas????) and try to throw suspicion in other directions.

Either afatchic is lying scum or you are.
BINGO!

I thought I said this already...

You probably did and I think I did at one point prior to this too. Sometimes things need to be said multiple times when the obvious doesn't sink in.

icemanE · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:57 pm

icemanE explaining why he didn't consider the possibility that he was insane

I thought I already explained it, but it's obvious fat's insane because of the results fat got - and it's setup speculation i guess but i don't see there being more than one insane cop - and I wouldn't be able to figure out my own alignment until others had been figured out, which didn't happen till today. Like I said, the reason I wanted everyone to target X and figure out alignments is because i was a cop, and got the idea that this might be like the setup at epicmafia - but since it was obvious my plan wasn't going to go through I went with someone random.

afatchic · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:16 pm

icemanE wrote:
icemanE explaining why he didn't consider the possibility that he was insane
I thought I already explained it, but it's obvious fat's insane because of the results fat got - and it's setup speculation i guess but i don't see there being more than one insane cop - and I wouldn't be able to figure out my own alignment until others had been figured out, which didn't happen till today. Like I said, the reason I wanted everyone to target X and figure out alignments is because i was a cop, and got the idea that this might be like the setup at epicmafia - but since it was obvious my plan wasn't going to go through I went with someone random.

I think more or less what he may be asking is why are you so certain i am a cop AND you are real. because if you are insane, then i am scum...

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:12 am

Back, and reading, jetlagged to high hell, expect post soon. Considering an RBT hammer, but I'm worried about our "insane" cop/s.

X · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:30 pm

1. Don't hammer quite yet.
2. There are only 3 votes on him...5 to lynch.

icemanE · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:19 pm

I think more or less what he may be asking is why are you so certain i am a cop AND you are real. because if you are insane, then i am scum...

Hmm, yeah. I guess there's that chance. I can be certain I'm real, but I can't be certain you are. And I guess I could be insane, but I'm betting that if there are three cops (two verified (AKA dead) and myself) there are probably four - and that's based almost entirely on that setup I keep referring to. But that's what makes sense to me.

afatchic · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:32 pm

icemanE wrote:
I think more or less what he may be asking is why are you so certain i am a cop AND you are real. because if you are insane, then i am scum...
Hmm, yeah. I guess there's that chance. I can be certain I'm real, but I can't be certain you are. And I guess I could be insane, but I'm betting that if there are three cops (two verified (AKA dead) and myself) there are probably four - and that's based almost entirely on that setup I keep referring to. But that's what makes sense to me.

Okay, well my next question, if you are a cop then you obviously know that either me or RBT is scum, so why are you not voting either of us?

icemanE · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:54 pm

Okay, well my next question, if you are a cop then you obviously know that either me or RBT is scum, so why are you not voting either of us?

I thought I was voting RBT - I don't remember unvoting but I guess at some point I did.

vote: RBT

Thank you for pointing that out.

afatchic · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:02 pm

next vote is the hammer, lets see which scum try to clear themselves a bit and hammer away...

Ice- i wonder which of us dies tonight.

afatchic · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:06 pm

I would like to have KOC's thoughts on everything prior to a lynch, btw.

Riceballtail · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:17 pm

Have fun with your sanities, as you realize that I was supposed to be innocent all along.

GG scum.

afatchic · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:28 pm

Riceballtail wrote:Have fun with your sanities, as you realize that I was supposed to be innocent all along.

GG scum.

Was that a scum claim? did you just claim GF?

Riceballtail · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:23 am

No, it's called ice just hammered me. Sure hope we have a doc to protect tonight.

Farkshinsoup · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:03 am

Back from holidays!

rice wrote:Have fun with your sanities, as you realize that I was supposed to be innocent all along.

GG scum.

Uh, this looks like a miscount of the vote and a Godfather claim, for sure. Why else would you say "supposed to be innocent" and not just "innocent"? And "GG scum"?

Happy to hammer, except for this:

X wrote:Things I want to see Today:

icemanE explaining why he didn't consider the possibility that he was insane
Input from/replacement of chaz
Input from KoC
RBT lynch

And possibly, PBPAs from everyone. I tend to use that to mean Player By Player Analysis. If everyone thinks that this would be productive, I would have no problem going first.

Afatchic wrote:I would like to have KOC's thoughts on everything prior to a lynch, btw.

Could someone unvote RBT? We have more business to conduct today.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:35 am

Okay, my thoughts on recent developments:
1) Ever since afatchic came in, iceman talked a lot about that "4 cop game" on epicmafia with him - it felt like a dual breadcrumb up to that fourth cop claim, and the only players who know to breadcrumb together are scum, surely?

2) RBT has been at the back of my mind, niggling away for a while, but only recently has his scumminess burst forth, as he repeatedly OMGUSed fat and ice. I would be willing to consider an RBT/Ice/fat scumgroup, certainly, as it seems the most obvious grouping right now - RBT is caught, and may well be trying to distance while his buddies take plaudits and get a chance to really push a mislynch and get to lylo and win. I did something similar in an offsite game of Vampire (scum can either kill or 1-shot recruit), where I claimed cop, gave away both scum-buddies, then recruited the revealed Doc and went on to win by giving mislynches and claiming to have been made insane. Give the town 1 buddy, and it's easy enough to go on - especially with our current sanity question.

3) the jump to pick out "GG scum" and "supposed to be innocent" as a Godfather claim seems odd to me. It just as easily could be a VT congratulating scum on a more than likely win, and is therefore a null-tell. Even ignoring this, RBT is still scummiest, but the way afatchic made that massive jump makes me think "distancing". Fark did it as well, and this worries me, but it's minor compared to fat, ice and predominantly RBT.

So, basically, I'm thinking RBT/ice/fat for scum, and I'm willing to hammer RBT. May I, or are there any questions?