Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[Hu Tao]

I think Dann is solidly town here

can you describe this read

Well for one, I can understand the post you made right after this one casing me as scum, or I mean I get where you are coming from.

And also vibes, this doesn't 'feel' like scumDann

I do disagree with you about Hu though, I know she plays somewhat similar as both alignments.....but her non committal stances here don't seem as forced as I have seen from her as scum.

I know that seems like a weird contradiction lol, but hard to really put it into words what I mean.

I don't know who you are but you feel genuine. For now you can be town

[Hu Tao]

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Then why not join me on salty?

[Hu Tao]

only people with brainworms from playing on epicmafia too much think that PRs are good because the setups there are built so swingy and PR reliant despite the winrate probably going up if people stop worrying about PRs as much

OMG have you played on epic mafia before????

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: rationalmadman

This vote surprises me from you. You may actually be scum

[Hu Tao]

Rational do you have an alt account?

[Dannflor]

do you think I’m scared of you hu tao?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: rationalmadman

This vote surprises me from you. You may actually be scum

the last time you said i had such a “holy bad vote that i might actually be scum” i was town btw

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: rationalmadman

This vote surprises me from you. You may actually be scum

the last time you said i had such a “holy bad vote that i might actually be scum” i was town btw

This is an interesting response. Considering you said I'm scum, but this mindset implies I'm town

[Gibdo]

Ok first post!
Generally, my reads so far are that DrNickRiviera and Elements seem most town to me. It's good to poke at the other players to get a feel for their playstyle before jumping to any conclusions.

I don't necessarily agree with voting on D1 but trying to turbo end DP1 without any kind of info gathering or reads is really scummy.

No major scum reads thus far, but if I had to point fingers it would probably go to VOTE: VOTE: RationalMadman because I just disagree with the game reasoning the user put forth overall. Mafia can't get too much of a PR read on DP1 since everyone is finding their footing anyway and posting without any real substance.

you said you don't necessarily agree with voting someone out on Day 1 but you also voted Rational who has been the biggest advocate for not voting someone out, can you explain more on why? do you think your disagreement with Rational's takes mean he's more likely to be scum?

I think Rational is mostly just contributing to a line of discussion that isn't very productive for the town. (Elements was a little bit too, but I got the vibe that she was moreso trying to pick apart the idea, which seems towny to me.) I have a scummy-ish read on Rational but it could just be a more confrontational playstyle, idk.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: hu tao

I have too much respect for you to think you are making these posts as town

[Dannflor]

VOTE: rationalmadman

This vote surprises me from you. You may actually be scum

the last time you said i had such a “holy bad vote that i might actually be scum” i was town btw

This is an interesting response. Considering you said I'm scum, but this mindset implies I'm town

A. I give most people the benefit of the doubt because I’m constantly doubting my own scum reads, I think you likely know this

B. You’re first instinct when interacting with me is to attack logical inconsistencies, not try to engage me in anyway that’ll help you read me or me to read you, and I’m pretty sure you can do better

[Gibdo]

I'm getting decent scum read from Hu Tao as well, but I'm not confident enough in changing my vote.

[Gibdo]

Dann and Elements (possibly can throw in Grovyle) are thinking almost exactly as I am, seem town enough for me for now

[Gibdo]

I've played a few games with only Dannflor, and maybe I'm misremembering, but criticizing others' reads of him doesn't seem like his scum playstyle.

[Dannflor]

I think Rational is mostly just contributing to a line of discussion that isn't very productive for the town. (Elements was a little bit too, but I got the vibe that she was moreso trying to pick apart the idea, which seems towny to me.) I have a scummy-ish read on Rational but it could just be a more confrontational playstyle, idk.

I agree with this pretty much such that I don’t mind the bandwagon there and I don’t think Rational is an easy write-off town read like a lot of people are assuming

[Thomith]

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

What changed from you wanting to vote me?

it's not really the initial vote but the trajectory afterwards

people called it like opportunistic but i think an actually opportunistic!scum vote would have invented some reason for Rational to be scum, elements fully admits that she isn't voting Rational because she necessarily thinks he's scum, at least not until later in the game

Hard disagree.

Throwing a vote on someone then reasoning it away as not a scumread means you're jumping on an easy vote (in this case), then explaining it in a way where you don't need to be accountable for scumreading a town player if they flip town.

This is a scum tell, not a town tell.

[Thomith]

This RationalMadman wagon stinks

[Dannflor]

I don’t think most scum players generally like to look like they are just pushing a policy vote

[RationalMadman]

Rational do you have an alt account?

No I just get burnout and prefer other hobbies to Mafia. When I play it can go like this. It's not am emotionally rewarding game for me with Towns like this.

[RationalMadman]

Ok first post!
Generally, my reads so far are that DrNickRiviera and Elements seem most town to me. It's good to poke at the other players to get a feel for their playstyle before jumping to any conclusions.

I don't necessarily agree with voting on D1 but trying to turbo end DP1 without any kind of info gathering or reads is really scummy.

No major scum reads thus far, but if I had to point fingers it would probably go to VOTE: VOTE: RationalMadman because I just disagree with the game reasoning the user put forth overall. Mafia can't get too much of a PR read on DP1 since everyone is finding their footing anyway and posting without any real substance.

you said you don't necessarily agree with voting someone out on Day 1 but you also voted Rational who has been the biggest advocate for not voting someone out, can you explain more on why? do you think your disagreement with Rational's takes mean he's more likely to be scum?

I think Rational is mostly just contributing to a line of discussion that isn't very productive for the town. (Elements was a little bit too, but I got the vibe that she was moreso trying to pick apart the idea, which seems towny to me.) I have a scummy-ish read on Rational but it could just be a more confrontational playstyle, idk.

She didn't really pick it apart. She asked me to explain it on repeat. My idea was good for Town.

[RationalMadman]

The OMGUS from awesomeming while saying I omgus him is comedy.

[RationalMadman]

I am so down for this showdown.

[RationalMadman]

i dont buy the reasons for elements being town here, feels like cope more than actual analysis (or straight up BS from certain people) - but awesomeming's post has made me consider an angle i had previously discarded(that i'm personally weak to) and uh kinda awkward but they have a point im giving rational too little credit and shortcutting my read on the basis that i should not respect them which I tend to do too often

VOTE: RationalMadman
lets see how he handles one of his townreads turning on him at the very least

You shouldn't be happy when voting on barely anything. Town shouldn't reaction test people reacting to a townread voting them, only reaction test people reacting to a null or scumread voting them. All you're doing if I am Town and you are Town is sabotaging both the game and our synergy. The smirking emoji is going to wipe away real fast when and if I am dead and flipped.

[RationalMadman]

I've not come across this nonchalant 'lets vote for a reaction hehe' from Townies much before unless it's combined with a scumread on said player.

[RationalMadman]

Well I have but only from terrible Town.