Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[RationalMadman]

I would rather be grilled directly than talked of in third person as an 'agreed' nontownread which idk what that means does it just means nullread or leaning scum?

[RationalMadman]

How does my phone autocorrect 'to explain' to for claim? It's like it has context from the website and is wrongly doing it.

[RationalMadman]

I'm scum reading Hu Tao and DrNickRiviera.

I think 111 and 113 from the Dr are more likely to come from scum.

1. the argument itself feels focused on catching Thomith in an inconsistency instead of trying to look at the tone or context surrounding Thomith's vote and unvote
   
2. the way the argument is presented as "everyone look at Exhibit A" is the kind of performative 'talking to the crowd' type rhetoric that comes from scum a lot more than town who think they are onto something

I'm not a huge fan of their posts later engaging Rational, they feel along the lines of how scum might try to engage Rational in order to look good but without really needing to engage in direct content.

I also don't understand why they have me as solidly town that feels out of nowhere

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I think Hu Tao's reaction to me in 333 is weird. There's not much genuine frustration here or an attempt to engage me, instead the focus is on the fact that Hu Tao was trying to reaction test, which feels overly LAMIST and honestly I expect more from town!hu at this stage in the game.

I also don't really think SaltiestCactus' posts are scummy but I do think they are the kind of low-hanging posts that scum like to jump on.

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as for other reads, I'm fine having Grovyle as town for now. I think elements is probably town too. I think her trajectory on Rational doesn't really make sense as scum. I think her initial vote is very visibly weak and I don't think scum makes such an optically bad vote. in general, I think at this point most scum players are going to be town reading Rational (maybe regardless of his alignment)

I think Rational probably leans town and that's probably the simplest answer to his frenzied posting, but I'm not as sure as I'd like to be. I think there's a certain point where most people, even if they strongly believe in what is optimal, will give in out of frustration or try to amicably work with people in some fashion. Rational not letting go of his "no eliminate on D1" philosophy to such a strong degree has me worried he might just be hiding behind that argument

I think Thomith leans towny, I think the way he's engaged so far (especially Rational) hasn't been all that performative and has been keen at trying to get some productive content going

I've dropped it and voted. I only kept talking about it as people kept saying it is based on flawed logic.

[Dannflor]

Because you respond better to being scumread than townread lol

Honestly though, you always sound convincing no matter your alignment so I can’t actually read you/your posts and feel confident either way. I like your opinion on Thom. I think I agree about Rational but unfortunately, their posts do overwhelm me a bit. I’m not sold yet on Grovyle. Cactus is null to me. I don’t have a read either way on Hu. I’ve never experienced scum!Hu so I don’t know if I’m overlooking something obvious.

yeahhhhh I have a habit of distrusting people who town read me and town reading people who scum read me

is there a particular reason you aren't sold on grovyle

I'll admit I think Grovyle is a good player as both alignments and I think there's some chance my read there is wrong but I kind of need Grovyle to be town right now or my bearing in this game just goes out the window

also is there a reason you decided to sheep hu tao out of everyone

[KayJayQueue]

Because you respond better to being scumread than townread lol

Honestly though, you always sound convincing no matter your alignment so I can’t actually read you/your posts and feel confident either way. I like your opinion on Thom. I think I agree about Rational but unfortunately, their posts do overwhelm me a bit. I’m not sold yet on Grovyle. Cactus is null to me. I don’t have a read either way on Hu. I’ve never experienced scum!Hu so I don’t know if I’m overlooking something obvious.

yeahhhhh I have a habit of distrusting people who town read me and town reading people who scum read me

is there a particular reason you aren't sold on grovyle

I'll admit I think Grovyle is a good player as both alignments and I think there's some chance my read there is wrong but I kind of need Grovyle to be town right now or my bearing in this game just goes out the window

also is there a reason you decided to sheep hu tao out of everyone

I have no idea on Grovyle, I’ve never encountered them before so I guess I’m just naturally skeptical.

Regarding Hu - because she asked

Plus I wasn’t lying when I said the toxicity kinda turned me off a bit and I wasn’t exceptionally invested at the time. I’m working my way back to a better place re: this game.

[Dannflor]

I am also having a hard time getting into this game and I feel myself forcing a little

I guess right now my senses are tuned towards people who are vibing and trying to look town because this seems like a gamestate where scum don't have to do much more than that

[RationalMadman]

I am also having a hard time getting into this game and I feel myself forcing a little

I guess right now my senses are tuned towards people who are vibing and trying to look town because this seems like a gamestate where scum don't have to do much more than that

I saw this coming, hence why I knew Town gains less than mafia if mafia and town both are competent here, by elongating the DP rather than giving PRs a chance to catch something.

[RationalMadman]

However, I've spotted a scum member, awesoming that is 0% Towntelling and am happy with my vote.

[Dannflor]

I could vote awesomeming

I don't think they've particularly town told

I don't think they're particularly scummy either

[Dannflor]

Ok first post!
Generally, my reads so far are that DrNickRiviera and Elements seem most town to me. It's good to poke at the other players to get a feel for their playstyle before jumping to any conclusions.

I don't necessarily agree with voting on D1 but trying to turbo end DP1 without any kind of info gathering or reads is really scummy.

No major scum reads thus far, but if I had to point fingers it would probably go to VOTE: VOTE: RationalMadman because I just disagree with the game reasoning the user put forth overall. Mafia can't get too much of a PR read on DP1 since everyone is finding their footing anyway and posting without any real substance.

you said you don't necessarily agree with voting someone out on Day 1 but you also voted Rational who has been the biggest advocate for not voting someone out, can you explain more on why? do you think your disagreement with Rational's takes mean he's more likely to be scum?

[RationalMadman]

I could vote awesomeming

I don't think they've particularly town told

I don't think they're particularly scummy either

How is Hu Tao 'particularly scummy' where awesomeming isn't?

[Dannflor]

vibes

and I have more experience with hu tao from other games

[RationalMadman]

I vote awesomeming and encourage all to sheep it. I am quite sure of this. I even like the fact there doesn't seem tombe opportunistic scum joining in fast to it using me as a shield of aggression.

[RationalMadman]

I vote awesomeming and encourage all to sheep it. I am quite sure of this. I even like the fact there doesn't seem tombe opportunistic scum joining in fast to it using me as a shield of aggression.

The shield part can happen if I were to lead on Town and was sure they're scum in what I posted.

[Elements]

I vote awesomeming and encourage all to sheep it. I am quite sure of this. I even like the fact there doesn't seem tombe opportunistic scum joining in fast to it using me as a shield of aggression.

I don't find your case convincing

[RationalMadman]

I vote awesomeming and encourage all to sheep it. I am quite sure of this. I even like the fact there doesn't seem tombe opportunistic scum joining in fast to it using me as a shield of aggression.

I don't find your case convincing

You can copy paste that all game long as long as we are both alive as I sense you're going to always reply that to me about anything I say.

[Elements]

I literally asked you to explain it to me again and you didn't

[RationalMadman]

I literally asked you to explain it to me again and you didn't

I did.

I've explained everything you asked me to. To which you ask me to explain and then again ask until you say it's nonsense or doesn't convince you.

The reason I bother is as troll a player as you are, the Town as a whole is genuinely at a level where you're one of the highest contributors in the DP for me to interact with.

[Elements]

where was your re-explination?

[Elements]

I've explained everything you asked me to

that's just not true

[RationalMadman]

Well for instance I re-explained my reasoning behind the NoElim around 5 times on top of the first but each resulted in you pretending I never explained it.

I explained all my reads but you then interrogate the nuances to which I expanded on what they are and you pretend I explained nothing.

So, now that you ask me to explain my scumread on awesoming on the post I explained it, I don't see why to bother.

[RationalMadman]

If it isn't true reply to my posts, the actual contents of them and prove it. I think you're lying.

[RationalMadman]

Well for instance I re-explained my reasoning behind the NoElim around 5 times on top of the first but each resulted in you pretending I never explained it.

I explained all my reads but you then interrogate the nuances to which I expanded on what they are and you pretend I explained nothing.

So, now that you ask me to explain my scumread on awesoming on the post I explained it, I don't see why to bother.

I didn't explain my Townreads necessarily.

[RationalMadman]

But Townreads are based on people interacting while not being scummy in general. I read for scum and Townreads are ethos consistently not hitting the radar minus sheer lurkers.

[RationalMadman]

Wtf autocorrect