Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[Silver Ravens]

hi guys

[Silver Ravens]

I like how the dial sounds because it sounds chaotic and chaos is good

[Silver Ravens]

i want to go on the slide

But do you?
Slides can be dangerous. Too much excitement can lead to bad stuff I heard.

[Silver Ravens]

something towny

Scum

[Silver Ravens]

I got a Red PM this game. Hopefully it works out!

something towny

Scum

Y’all I already solved this game because I already know the third one. Easiest game of my life.

[Silver Ravens]

Oh by the way, in case people are not voting the dial, it has a very very high chance that dream has some sort of revive.

[Silver Ravens]

*pretends to understand*

oh okay

wait, do we need to get MAJ + 2 to eliminate?

No cos plurality.

[Silver Ravens]

I was gonna say "how is plurality lim not easier" and then I saw the Bad Dream selection in case of ties.
So that's probably a bad one.

[Silver Ravens]

Oh by the way, in case people are not voting the dial, it has a very very high chance that dream has some sort of revive.

Meaning?

Meaning that we should all vote for the dial one?

[Silver Ravens]

Oh by the way, in case people are not voting the dial, it has a very very high chance that dream has some sort of revive.

Meaning?

Meaning that we should all vote for the dial one?

I meant, what do you mean by "some sort of revive"?

So 11 and 12, right?
So normally, at the end of Night 1, we have 11 players left because one eliminated, and one killed by mafia.
But if we're changing 11 to 12, what would that mean?

[Silver Ravens]

My dumb guess

Forget 11, I just turned the dial to 12! - Reviver
This slide never seems to end... - I totally knew that this was a bad dream and I totally had any grasp of what this was gonna be.
You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well... - inb4 battery
Protest is effective, but why have we super glued ourselves to each other, exactly? - Sounds like neighborizing... or lover. Probably not a great choice if it's really a lover.

And no I'm not saying this because I'm a Union Buster

I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat? - I have 0 idea what this could be about.
These sheeple have.. fur? And horns? Wait these are literally sheep people - Counting sheep thing is related to sleeping, so this kinda feels like night-boosting stuff, like shorter days or longer night.

[Silver Ravens]

I've correctly read my role PM.

You should double check.

[Silver Ravens]

I also didn't expect people to talk about the dreams this much when if anyone besides me remembers last game trying to play "guess the dream" was a waste of time until like D3. Although they mostly had some amount of logic you could connect the dots to. Doing so D1 is. . .eh?

What impact is wasting time dream-guessing when we all joined to play a game of mafia to begin with

[Silver Ravens]

Dunn checking in.

VOTE: Gimli

I-I'll have to place my vote here for now!

They have been trying to vibe but do not past the vibe checks! 47 67 Are an X on the extra scale!

Your order shall be downgraded to a kids meal.

These aren't linked correctly.

I don't see an issue with 67. The slide stuff is not something mafia would have known ahead of time, If I'm understanding the setup correctly. So their reaction to the slide reveal does not seem particularly indicative or "extra" to me.

[Silver Ravens]

I also didn't expect people to talk about the dreams this much when if anyone besides me remembers last game trying to play "guess the dream" was a waste of time until like D3. Although they mostly had some amount of logic you could connect the dots to. Doing so D1 is. . .eh?

yeah like the slide thing has no relationship to what's presented already so I don't expect anyone to guess anything right from names.

but you can see some stuff about how the thinking process behind some guesses is more towny or a scum faking it and is a point of interest to me. whats your take on that from current guesses?

Isn't this just factually incorrect? Unless the scum team is aware of every dream or has a power to know the answer of most they're able to make guesses just like the rest of us. There's no reason to fake something that is also unknown information. Just because you're scum does not mean everything you do is fake. That's also why I have opinion on the guesses because it's a shot in the dark with no value behind it.

Well if you believe this then I'm confused about why you thought 67 was bad. I thought that you thought that they were faking a reaction.

[Silver Ravens]

can't I just be lazy? boohoo.

What do you call a lazy cat?

A cat

[Silver Ravens]

I'll put a hairball in your burrito if the slide dream isn't pushed up to top 3.
Best to get rid of bad dreams early me thinks.
They also won't discard it and will likely discard an unknown, so what dreamer can do is dreamer can learn the unknown dream and then either choose that dream or remove slide dream from play.
It'll make day hell because any abilities that affect the vote are awful to deal with but better to deal with it sooner rather than later.

My opinion is that the dream is closer to neutral than bad. There might actually be some bad dreams with negative effects.

Also I think starting off the game strong could be a better choice. The slide gives us nothing to work with, not even a majority vote scramble. Which could make the following days more difficult.

[Silver Ravens]

VOTE: Von Payne

That's not very nice Kira

~B

I thought you'd have reads and not just dream speculation even in your first point, and I find your subsequent reliance on it to be rather like a convenient way to appear towny

Why do you think they would have reads? Show your thought process.

[Silver Ravens]

Well you know what I'm choosing!

[Silver Ravens]

Alisae is incorrect. The dominant strategy is to vote the best-looking dreams available.

First, we may see the dream again means we may not. The moderators will have extras, and this one is unlikely to be the best dream available. Second, even if we do see it later, it will likely be more desirable later: a neutral, known dream is better than dreams that all look bad.

Finally, if you are worried about scum discarding a good dream, this option is always available barring role interference. It is best to stack the selection to ensure a desirable dream remains. Scum will also likely have one selection override, but picking the slide Day 1 will not get them to burn it.

I don't really enjoy the extended dialogue about this from a quality of life perspective.

I agree with this

[Silver Ravens]

ok sorry im confused by the "early choice" talk. aren't the ones that aren't voted for discarded?

Setup rule 8 says:

Unchosen Dreams that aren't revealed or discarded can show up again on future Moonrise phases.

So... it seems like the slide can't show up again in the future since it's been revealed. Though I could be misunderstanding something, that rule could refer only to the dream revealed in the pick three mechanic.

[Silver Ravens]

let's all just agree that everyone is playing very different than usual this game and we can ignore meta completely

unshackle yourselves from the burden of past expectations and past lives. forget everything you knew. release the weight from your shoulders. join me and together we can experience mafia in its purest form. no past. no future. only dreams.

I get meta'd in every game I play in and it's already happened this game so while I appreciate your movement and would love to join, I lack faith that we can change the world

~B

are you suggesting that my expectation that you provide reads was me meta'ing you?

I didn't want to go over my early posts at you further since you started to engage, but I disliked your entrance not just for being much dream speculation but for being too agreeable on top of it. its not meta the same way you're discussing my meta with DE. my read wasn't robotic the way you took for anyway.

In response to the bolded, you previously wrote this:

Why do you think they would have reads? Show your thought process.

I expect black as a townie to speculate not only on mech but also on people

having black's entrance being solely agreeable mech talk (and I agree with maria on the futility of these conversations in a broad sense even tho I will partake them), did not feel like a towny entrance, hence my vote.

This is clearly a meta read specific to Black and so the bolded above is confusing to me as it is suggesting that you were instead taking issue with them not providing reads on a more general level.

[Silver Ravens]

I've double checked and it appears the slide won't be showing up again in future pools as it's already been revealed.

[Silver Ravens]

Like Gimli I don't think you understand that this is still a meta read. You judged my behavior based on your image of me from previous games we've played together. You're not taking into account setup, IRL stuff, and all the other things that could affect my posting

~B

no, you're turning it into a meta read. either this, or every read is a meta read, as long as it relates even minimally to the player posting.

what I saw was you in page 4 of a game with a lot of alignment indicative content, focusing on what I feel is the most uninteresting/unsolvable aspects of the thread. you said it was because you wouldn't have time and because

this is what these 24 hours are for

. Fine with the first part, of course, but this isn't a 'non-scumhunting' phase.

What do you think of 189? I also think you are using meta.

[Silver Ravens]

i feel like the gimli meta vs not meta argument has reached the end of its usefulness

No it hasn't. I think that Gimli is being disingenuous in their posting, making them more likely to be mafia.

[Silver Ravens]

Well I just saw 190, I had missed it earlier. Maybe Gimli just disagrees with what meta is, but to me they are describing and using meta, and have explained how it related to a certain player. This is Dunn.

[Silver Ravens]

ydra probtown btw

This probably could use some explanation, cos I don't see it.
And I'm the person who just throws townread left and right.

[Silver Ravens]

Wow is this going to be the first time that I vote Klick and it's NOT a reaction test? Cool cool!

VOTE: Klickity Klick

If this hasn't been explained yet, I'd also like an explanation about this too, for reasons untold.

[Silver Ravens]

Oh ok.
Ydra locktown.

[Silver Ravens]

I still want to hear why though!

[Silver Ravens]

Wow is this going to be the first time that I vote Klick and it's NOT a reaction test?

No

You are wrong btw, it wasn't a reaction test. I just felt it was weird for you to open with a random thought about mech and then disappear instead of engaging with the plenty of content that was there. But my VP scumread is bigger so here I am not voting you atm.

Oh so it was answered. Ok that was the answer I was expecting, so that's a pass for me.

[Silver Ravens]

Hu is lame too, but that doesn't break my expectations.

Yeah should've been Klee instead.

[Silver Ravens]

Oh, btw I have played with Dragon before. But I was scum there lurking half of the game for survival so I didn't really pay attention to his post there much to draw anything from it.
But if he's this overly expressive and talkative, he looks like a person who's going to sort himself out sooner or later anyway.

[Silver Ravens]

ydra probtown btw

This probably could use some explanation, cos I don't see it.
And I'm the person who just throws townread left and right.

vibes

kk

[Silver Ravens]

I am probably not townreading Catgirls any time soon only because they are two collection of two players who

always

roll scum against me, and I’m talking about the sample size of at least 10 (if my memory serves)!

[Silver Ravens]

Aureal is a person who posts thing too long for my phone but has no meaningful things in it

[Silver Ravens]

I was gonna say “I townread all hydrae except Catgrills!!!!!!” all pompous and stuff, and then I realized that there’s not as much hydrae as I thought there were and it was just Sunflower hyperposting.

[Silver Ravens]

Also DE is probably town but don’t tell him cos it’s probably gonna feed his ego and the thread is going to triple the post count.

[Silver Ravens]

My Dragon read is getting tugged in multiple directions so I'm going to have to leave the jury out on him for now

~B

One way of handling this is to pretend that you locktown him and then cfd at the end of D1.

[Silver Ravens]

Also not vibing with Hu Tao actively posting “I don’t know mechs uwu” when all she has to do is PM mod some questions or two. Looks like faked LAMIST

[Silver Ravens]

My Dragon read is getting tugged in multiple directions so I'm going to have to leave the jury out on him for now

~B

One way of handling this is to pretend that you locktown him and then cfd at the end of D1.

Didn't you say I was town or something? Weird post.

Doesn’t stop me from giving advices :^)

[Silver Ravens]

Btw I submitted dial, vi, and car seat.
I didn’t sync with Dunn yet but I’m sure he doesn’t mind.

[Silver Ravens]

Btw I wasn’t keeping track but we should all say our three picks as Gimli said long time ago.
For reasons.

[Silver Ravens]

Ohhhhhhhh

I was thinking like, just a seat. Like the driver's seat.

To be fair, I thought the same thing too!
English is also not my first language.

[Silver Ravens]

Anyway, I won't be around much for the rest of the day, but I have confident that Dunn will solve this game for me!

[Silver Ravens]

VOTE: I will burn a potential single post to test if this gets counted lmao, and if this counts as a post I’m gonna have to work with Dunn to post things from this point because I am definitely not a longposter and I tend to post as I think of something to say. Also Drew I don’t need an experience with Dragon to see that he likes to post when this game has been enough. Also

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Silver Ravens]

UNVOTE:

[Silver Ravens]

You have Gimli claiming i'm a roach, Dragoneater screaming behind me about how a hairball ended up in his burrito, Doctor Drew behind me. Wrath of the slide king was lit bro. It is what it is.

Also if ur name is "DragonEater70" "JupiterXV" "Black" or "Aureal" please limit your posting to 0-3 posts a day. 100 posts is manageable but every post matters. A response is not required nor recommended. Thank you for your cooperation.

It is my personal opinion that this day should end once people start using up their extra posts.


Von Payne is town.
Dragon is town. This explanation is for Prism mostly but my initial opinion is that Dragon's initial vote on Klick I thought was something that came from town.
Sunflowers is town.
Silver Ravens is gut town
Kyoko is gut town.
Klick gets a d1 pass and is probably just town.

Ydra I think is a gut wolf and Gimli is my initial suspect but ultimately I still haven't really processed everything nor am I in a rush to. I think what I have so far is a good start.

VOTE: Sunflower

You call Sunflower town and then vote them why? Is this two different hydra heads?

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Sure we can eliminate me. I have 0 clue what's happening anyway sorry

VOTE: hu tao

This makes no sense if you are town. To me this looks like you are hoping to use reverse psychology to make us not want to vote for you do to no survival instinct.

It makes even less sense when your next post is asking what the vt of the game is called - implying that you are

not

VT, in which case you should not be OK with rolling over like this.

Also, I would consider claiming in your position unless something changes, so we have time to discuss things if we intend to move the vote elsewhere

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Mechanically, that is two neutral/useless dreams and two negative dreams. Basic balance essentially requires dreams to be net +EV, but I'll drop that assumption for now.

Yes I was expecting to have seen something that would benefit the town, and have to play around discards and other potential special abilities. This dream that we've gotten leans more towards bad/negative than the slide one did, as this one might really influence what happens today.

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2. My nullscums are currently Prism and Ravens. Prism for her approach to the game which uses a lot of true evidence to explain a read that doesn't really correlate to that evidence while ignoring evidence that points otherwise; Ravens because of their exchange with Gimli where they called Gimli disingenuous for using contradictory definitions of meta or something. I'll note that after my exchange with Black, she went back to true null over null scum. I could wagon one of these but my confidence in either of them being scum is not veey high at all.

How or why is what you've outlined here from us scum indicative? Can you explain your reasoning?

Also, for Prism, where are they ignoring evidence? What are they ignoring?

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Also, I would like to suggest that voting no elim and then immediately unvoting should be used as a sign meaning "intent to hammer".

Sure, this is a good idea.

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I am going to be discussing reads with GiF internally, we seem to have different schedules at the moment. What I'm most interested in is for Hu Tao to respond to this post and explain their thought process in voting themself, and consider claiming their role, as that is the direction the thread is moving so far.

I am also interested in Dragoneater expanding on their thoughts above.

This is post 17/100 today.

[Silver Ravens]

VOTE: Sunflowers

[Silver Ravens]

i feel like the gimli meta vs not meta argument has reached the end of its usefulness

No it hasn't. I think that Gimli is being disingenuous in their posting, making them more likely to be mafia.

I wanna hear more about this. what part of their post feels disingenuous to you?

When they were arguing about meta it felt like they were saying whatever they needed to say but not holding a consistent thought process. Though I had missed a post they made when I made that post.

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Okay. So actually I have a theory based on the mod post.

This might be dumb, but scum likely asked if just unvoting would count toward the post count, and scum likely knew before mod posted here that it would. So it got me to look at who did so.

Gimli based on last death note game I just checked never really used unvote before, he would just vote his next person without doing unvote. The only time he actually posted unvote was when he was about to win anyway at the very end of the game.

So yeah, it's probably silly but I think gimli could be scum. Based off that. Dragon do you think I'm looking into that too much? You don't have to reply to this directly, just reply on your next big post you make I suppose.

VOTE: Gimli

This kind of theory making makes me feel like Hu Tao is town, if only slightly.

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My interpretation is wrong after further thought and review. Hu Tao thinks scum asked after the fact to find a strategy to burn posts, not that they asked during dream selection.

I am still inclined to townread the post. It's creative. I don't really buy it, but if I did, Silver Ravens is a better candidate on this front because Ravens "tested" a vote that clearly counted under the ruleset and immediately unvoted afterwards.

I'll stop posting for now, but I didn't want that error to sit.

My hydra partner misread the dream and thought it was 100 posts per player, they likely wouldn't have made that post otherwise. Neither of us knew that unvotes counted as content posts as that wasn't made clear at the time. The next post we make condenses a lot of thoughts into one post, showing that we are not trying to waste posts on purpose.

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Game could just be Ydra + Aureal + Dan and wolf presence is non-existent. It would also explain a lot of things.

This is lazy thinking to go after the least active players only. Usually there are mafia in the players who are posting and going after only lurkers is the wrong move.

With that said, I will take a look at these slots.

Ydrasse I have in my mind that she as mafia likes to fit in socially, this results in her making posts that look "towny" on day 1, and she tends to not be suspected until the game progresses and there are less players to consider. In this game I am not really seeing that. 537 feels like a town post from her as it is combative, if only a little. The rest of their iso does not feel like Ydrasse as mafia according to the model I have in my mind.

Aureal made a post scrutinizing the setup in 296 and I believe this was at a time when there was quite a bit of confusion regarding the setup. If you are cynical you could say this is mechanical information vs looking at alignments. I think it leans towny to be figuring out the setup. They then follow it up with several posts where they appear to be trying to determine alignments. Also despite their post count they have posted quite a bit in each post. They have posted substantially more than Ydrasse and ActionDan, at the very least, so they shouldn't be grouped together as a lurker in my opinion (and again, that's not a great indicator of alignment, especially given how this day has gone done IMO.)

ActionDan I don't have any kind of meta read on. I've played with them before but I don't remember what they were like. In this game they have their one effort post in 200 where they go back and give commentary on the thread, they bring up some suspicion on Dragon, and then respond to questions about that for a bit. They say their read needs time to build. And then they haven't posted anything else, really. In this 100-posts phase They came in and unvoted, then voted for themself, and then unvoted again - over a span of six hours, but they have nothing to say apparently. Need more posts, I am not townreading here right now, but no strong reason to scumread either.

[Silver Ravens]

CAN I FINALLY POST NOW WITHOUT THROWING????

[Silver Ravens]

100 GLOBAL POST RESTRICTION THAT MAKE EVERY GODDAMN POSTS LONGPOSTS WHICH I CANNOT READ WITHOUT MY EYES GLOSSING OVER THEM HALFWAY, TWILIGHT HAPPENS DURING MY SLEEP TIME, AND HELLA POSTS DURING THE NIGHTS ON TWO SLOTS THAT I TOWNREAD SO IT'S NOT EVEN INTERESTING TO FOLLOW DEAR GOD

[Silver Ravens]

At least I didn't read any of those longposts though!

[Silver Ravens]

The one time I tried to read because I thought it was going to be interesting enough, I compulsively voted the slot out of sheer cringe and it was someone I townread.

[Silver Ravens]

I will have to read Aureal posts though unfortunately. That one looked like one of the more boring one glance-wise.

[Silver Ravens]

Also is it dirty if I nigh-locktown AD just for finding that hider crumb first and sharing it lmao

[Silver Ravens]

Thank you for being our first guests and for taking your shoes off before you came in

I kinda want to recruit Aureal tomorrow. Not only is she probably town but I think she'll keep the vibes mellow ya know

~B

This probably needn't be pointed out cos unnecessary, but yeah. Still town.

[Silver Ravens]

ofc I'm wasting another post to talk to klick

so, what if you're right about hu tao? I agree that what she is doing here could be a townie. that would leave my scumteam at, I guess you'd say (prism, catgirl, aureal) and I'd say (von payne, catgirl, aureal). that got me thinking of a weird thing I think maria said at the beginning of this moonphase:

Also if ur name is "DragonEater70" "JupiterXV" "Black" or "Aureal" please limit your posting to 0-3 posts a day. 100 posts is manageable but every post matters. A response is not required nor recommended. Thank you for your cooperation.

As other people mentioned, aureal has not posted much at all. but what if she did, just not here? what if she did it in their scumhood, and catgirl did a classic slip of sharing a hood with aureal? it's not that farfetched.

so right in this page catgirl is taking their POE of (hu tao, AD, aureal) but picking the first two over aureal. that immediately made me vote for aureal, because I think now they have enough s^s between them for me to think its either not hu tao or not von payne.

I'm reposting this cause I think it's a good theory on aureal/catgirl s^s

also @GIF cause he probably skipped this post

You know me so well, and we barely played with each other.

Anyway, I think it could be probable if Aureal isn't widely known to hyperpost. I personally don't know because I don't think I ever played with Aureal before, but the posts that pinged me way back then didn't seem to give me vibes that Aureal is a hyperposter.
I think it's maybe something to keep in mind of, but I don't think it's a make-or-break theory or anything.
I'll rate it 7/10.

[Silver Ravens]

you really shouldn't, I wouldn't.

I shouldn't. For all I know, it could be scum attempting to take credit before someone else finds out inevitably.
But being told that I shouldn't townread that gets my inner rebel all excited and tingling.
And I love my inner rebel.

[Silver Ravens]

ActionDan

Gimli

Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)

Kyoko Kirigiri
Prism

Aureal

Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)

Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)

Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)

Ydrasse

I think this was where I was last time, aside from the deados.
I have deandy session to prep and run today so my time today is p limited, so I'll re-attempt (again) to read those longposts back then.
My current Gun-to-the-head is that it ain't Gimli nor Ydrasse out of all uncolored, so maybe I'll end up agreeing with Gimli's theory's QED, and while not necessarily agreeing with the theory itself.

[Silver Ravens]

I think this was where I was last time, aside from the deados.

Except AD, who I just added.

[Silver Ravens]

Oh yeah speaking of Prism though

VOTE: Sunflower

VOTE: Sunflowers

VOTE: No elim

Was this ever actually explained? Because this was hella weird.

[Silver Ravens]

Prism I went back and I see you are scumreading us because I am "unusually verbose."

First of all, I went back to see what you are even talking about and all I can see is that you are talking about my posts when we only had 100 to get through - I was condensing all of my thoughts into one post due to the restriction.

Second of all, I'm certainly capable of talking a lot as town.

And finally, I really don't think I've talked that much anyway. I've skimmed parts of this game, including the night neighborhood, and haven't been as involved as I'd like. My own posts feel like mostly catch-up to me.

[Silver Ravens]

the roles this game are wack
not that i have one

[Silver Ravens]

Me: Do we have reasoning for what Dreams we are picking

GiF: They sound cool

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We are voting for DnD, Superman, and Morph deserves pitchforks right now.

[Silver Ravens]

Hey Aureal what do you think happened with the hider?

[Silver Ravens]

Before anything let's try to look for who DE hid behind shall we? If klick that would suck. I'm going to iso now.

I'm pretty sure it was just Klick, yes. I've looked at Dragon's ISO and he clearly was getting skeptical of Klick but still wanting to townread him.

Virtually none, haven't gone indepth on Aureal. Klick is unimpressive this game, virtually every read I've disagreed with.

It's really weird because I agree with you about disagreeing about Klick's every read. I have no fucking clue why he's town reading me all of a sudden.

There's a world where Prism is town and Klick is scum huh

Like
His scumread of me was bad
But his townread of me is even worse??? He's townreading me for extremely stupid reasons, and it's possible he's just scum and decided to townread me because I'm a vocal voice this game and he knows doing it will get him TR'd by Gimli.

Damn am I going to have to tryhard this game

That's so sad

It's gonna be funny if Prism ends up being a townread of mine

But also kinda scary because I would have no idea in that scenario where to look for scum

So it looks like his gut and his head were disagreeing and he impulsively decided to target Klick so he could feel good about Klick being town again. Maybe he was thinking of targeting me earlier and that's why he said what he said, or maybe he wasn't even thinking about the implication at all, but

I

know he didn't end up doing that. After what he did in Death Note it should be clear that Dragon does not think through and carefully plan what he's doing to avoid egregious mistakes like this.

OK. What are you referring to in Death Note that Dragon did?

[Silver Ravens]

We voted for Superman, DnD, and Pitchfork mods.

VOTE: Aureal

[Silver Ravens]

i'm going to give you a rundown of how this interaction will go

you vote me
i don't care enough to get into this because my iso is short enough you can find it if you care. i think trying to do "not getting a second answer" thing is silly and if you actually want to vote me you can make a case from what are, surely, the scummy posts in my iso
maybe a wagon forms. i think this game is kinda [redacted] right now and i wouldn't be surprised
i claim in a bit when i get bored of the wagon existing, and the wagon goes away. we have wasted time for nothing because i don't respond much to being voted

if you wanna go through the motions of this we can go through it but otherwise you should probably vote elsewhere

I don't like this post. I do think I will look at your iso.

[Silver Ravens]

VOTE: sunflower
i guess i would vote this i haven't thought too hard about this game but some of their posts have felt strange to me i could probably verbalize if/when i go back. i don't know if i'm interested in an aureal wagon though i prefer it to hu tao.

i've vaguely thought kyoko was goodposting this game but i couldn't tell you why rn

time to white knight

i think that it's dangerous to play like gimli's playing right now as a wolf even if it's not particularly "good" town play because boxing yourself in can be a hard thing to get out of. it's a bit shallow at times and more vibes and confidence than maybe deserved but i struggle to see the wolf that does this. i will also hedge on THIS opinion and say i could be wrong but i don't feel like there's malice.

Your opinions are really vague.

You say things such as "their posts feel strange". The first two posts here especially. The last one maybe has context but it also looks like you are being vague about what you are referring to; you never say how Gimli was playing, you describe it as "like this".

So to me I am thinking that this could be that you are trying to appear involved without really caring to put in thought for other players alignments, meaning more likely to be mafia.

And then I also don't like what you are doing right now, as I feel you are overreacting and that Aureal is still the likely elimination today. And now you are hinting at being a power role.

[Silver Ravens]

why are we choosing to eliminate someone who is dubiously scummy over someone who is basically confirmed. wtmoo.

Wait what

I just got here how is Aureal confscum?

There is evidence to suggest that the hider hid behind Aureal based on what the hider was saying on day 1. We think they were softing the hide behind Aureal and their death means Aureal is Mafia. Aureal's counterargument is that Dragon did weird things in another game and that they didn't actually hide behind Aureal, but instead suspected the other townie that died and their death was caused by hiding behind the player who was killed at night.

Not quite confirmed scum, but pretty likely to be mafia. GiF and I think that Aureal should never make it to endgame, and eliminating here sooner rather than later makes the most sense.

[Silver Ravens]

I don't think Ydrasse should claim today if we don't intend to eliminate them today.

[Silver Ravens]

If we think ydra reveals dreams, that does not make her town.

wait i might be misremembering setup but doesn't scum already have dream hijinks shit like they can choose a dream to see and then axe it???

So uh, I don't see any mention of this in the setup notes in post 1. All the post says is that the Bad Dreams confer secretly and then create a discard priority. It doesn't say they choose a dream to see.

I think it's possible that you are mafia and that mafia could have a role that does what you are describing and that you confused that with public info in making this post

[Silver Ravens]

And you used that as reasoning to call Ydrasse town

[Silver Ravens]

Why are you pretty sure about that?

We've been voting for dreams without knowing what they are, based on the names.

[Silver Ravens]

Did fire tell you that mafia could see what the dreams do before choosing to discard them?

[Silver Ravens]

OK. So I am circling back to thinking it is possible that what you described is correct but you are mafia and somebody has a role that allows for this to happen, and you unintentionally let this slip.

[Silver Ravens]

OK. So I am circling back to thinking it is possible that what you described is correct but you are mafia and somebody has a role that allows for this to happen, and you unintentionally let this slip.

im not really sure this is a slip, whyu are you so sold on this? is it because youre scum and you know for a fact that there's a scum pr that allows them to reveal dreams?

I got to this point from trying to track your thought process. You started off saying ydrasse is town because there wouldn't be two revealers. I also had read the setup from the start of the game but it's been a while; I went back to read it again to double-check what you were saying. I read the post and realized that what you were claiming does not match what the opening post said, but you framed it as if you had read the post before and were remembering things from there.

This post where you try to turn things around on us feels scum motivated to me, as does the frantic nonsense posting that started when we began to interrogate you.

[Silver Ravens]

I'm going to sleep myself soon (but come on he clearly hid behind Aureal). If you doubt that look at those cheeky Flood / Trig votes. Claim them now now-Aureal people or forever hold your piece

We can all claim what we picked; what is wrong with voting Flood/Trig, though?

We have 24 votes and 10 alive, so 2 people didn't vote I guess.

[Silver Ravens]

DnD (7): Silver Ravens,
Superman (6): Silver Ravens,
Parts (6):
Pitchfork (5): Silver Ravens,
Flooding (1):
Trigonometry (1):

Didn't vote (2 players):

[Silver Ravens]

I'm sure other players have claimed but I didn't see it, or didn't remember it. It would be easiest if everybody copied the chart and added their names

[Silver Ravens]

DnD (7): Silver Ravens, Prism,
Superman (6): Silver Ravens, Prism,
Parts (6): Prism,
Pitchfork (5): Silver Ravens,
Flooding (1):
Trigonometry (1):

Didn't vote (2 players):

[Silver Ravens]

i wasnt serious about turning it back on you, not like you're one of my townreads but whatevr i guess

I'm not really sure what you mean with this.

[Silver Ravens]

@Mod: V/LA for like 2 days.

This head has been burning out and I think Dunn is pretty occupied too atm.

[Silver Ravens]

Looking through Aureal's iso, their interactions with Gimli do not feel like they are both mafia togther. They respond to Gimli several times with arguments and earlier they locked Gimli as town which Actiondan pointed out was premature.

[Silver Ravens]

Von Payne, what makes you think your role would prevent the bad dreamers from acting at night? Surely your role tells you what it does, is there some confusion?

[Silver Ravens]

That's a Maria post

[Silver Ravens]

That's a Maria post

Is this Dunn or Gif?

What do you make of the events of the day? Apologies if you did comment, was at work for most of my posting

This is Dunn

Right now I am thinking you could be scum due to having a mismatch between what you are saying and thinking. You told Catgirl Chipotle that you had already explained things but I think what you said matches their interpretation while you think you said something else.

So in this scenario you are not being genuine with your thoughts.

[Silver Ravens]

there is a less than 5% chance the last scum is in sunflower/raven dua. first cause oif the very narrow mindset and lack of critical solving and sidelining in most reads and the way they hard focus on certain reads in public neighborhoods, but I dont think so, cause even with their lackluster solves, they are trying to put themselves in other slots postions and check them from variont aspects.

raven is also very very gone. they almost had no impact in game in anyway so im not really certain about them at all. I have an okish feeling about them because they called out the aureal hide result first day 2.

enchant is town cause gimli was town. I can give 10 reasons for this and elaborate on it if needed period.

actiondan I also think is town cause of the way they reacted to being pushed day 1 and their general read based - present and anlytic posts.

ydresse is also I think is town with the claimy stuff and the way they dropped it day 2 and how you and catgirl pushed it at start of day 2, didnt feel partnered at all.

So i think scums are you and catgirl, raven > sunflower> action dan - ydresses > enchant in that order is my reads currently. with you being at 99.9999% scum and catgirl following it close enough.

I thought that Actiondan called out the hide result. Though we did follow up on it quickly.

[Silver Ravens]

I'm inclined to side with Kyoko Kirigiri, I do feel that Von Payne has been changing what they are arguing based on what other people have asked them.

the ulterior motive was to answer a question that was being repeatedly asked of them in 4 pages and they made a tactical mistake on it to declare they had a hidden motive for going with catgirl as their choice. so they felt the need to make one and it made no sense, so they changed it and it still made no sense and they kept working on it to make a full story that makes a bit of sense.

I agree with this more than the counterargument of asking why mafia would play this way; sometimes they slip up and have to keep going with something.

[Silver Ravens]

idk maybe im dumb and they should be obvious but i don't really see major contradictions that aren't explained by

1) the two heads having differing perspectives on things

2) them not being exactly sure whether they think their role would be protective or role blocking or neither and it more just being a vague theory

They would have to have one head thinking it was a roleblock, and the other head thinking it was a protective, and for both heads to agree to target the same person. That seems like a huge disconnect, and not really realistic.

[Silver Ravens]

VOTE: Von Payne

[Silver Ravens]

When did Enchant claim to have used the ghost camera? Or am I misunderstanding something?

[Silver Ravens]

UNVOTE: Von Payne

I think that Sunflower looks pretty suspect in the past few pages. They seem disingenuous to me, I find it hard to believe that they are being truthful about their stance on Kyoko and thinking about partners. And Von Payne was the one to point it out so perhaps some consideration is in order

[Silver Ravens]

Siding with Kiri over Von Payne is fine. What is your current Ydrasse read?

I don't like that they don't seem to have strong opinions about anything happening right now. Though I believe that is not fully out of character for them. Their hard softed role seems towny and makes me not want to vote there.

[Silver Ravens]

I am liking this line of push from von on sunflower

UNVOTE: Von Payne

I think that Sunflower looks pretty suspect in the past few pages. They seem disingenuous to me, I find it hard to believe that they are being truthful about their stance on Kyoko and thinking about partners. And Von Payne was the one to point it out so perhaps some consideration is in order

DUUUDE

HOW DO PEOPLE NOT SEE WHATS GOING ON
AM I THE ONLY ONE IN THE THREAD WITH EYEBALLS

SWEET FUCKING JESUS

?

[Silver Ravens]

VC 1-2

Hu Tao

(7):

Kyoko Kirigiri

, Von Payne, Catgirl Chipotle,

Aureal

,

DragonEater70

,

Hu Tao

, Gimli

Sunflower (3):

Silver Ravens, ActionDan, Ydrasse

Aureal

(1):

Klick

Gimli (1):

Sunflower

Silver Ravens (1):

Prism

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate.

VC 2-4

Aureal

(6):

Silver Ravens, Sunflower, Catgirl Chipotle, Von Payne,

Prism

,

Kyoko Kirigiri

Sunflower (1):

Enchant

Not voting (3):

ActionDan,

Aureal

, Ydrasse

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to eliminate.

VC 3-8 Final

Kyoko Kirigiri

(5):

Catgirl Chipotle, Von Payne, Sunflower, ActionDan,

Kyoko Kirigiri

Von Payne (1):

Enchant

Not voting (2):

Ydrasse, Silver Ravens

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

[Silver Ravens]

Aureal was a mechanical check so the wagon info is not too important. Hu Tao was pushed over Sunflower and Kyoko was pushed over Von Payne.

IMO there is at least 1 mafia between Catgirl Chipotle and Von Payne. We also suspect Sunflower. Leaning towards 2 mafia being in those 3 players. We townread ActionDan. For Ydrasse and Enchant we would need a convincing argument to consider there as we feel other players are more likely to be mafia.

ActionDan we're not sure why you suspect it is us but hopefully you reevaluate and think about how this game played out; we are not the ones pushing through these miseliminations and we wonder who you think we would be teamed with.

[Silver Ravens]

Oh we think Von Payne and Sunflower together seemed unlikely based on Von Payne pushing Sunflower earlier based on their stance on Kyoko and not thinking Kyoko would have any other partners. That whole conversation it felt like Sunflower slipped up a bit and Von Payne called them out on it which felt unaligned.

[Silver Ravens]

Alright, mass claim time since we are in limlo now. We're the dreamer, which makes us town (setup specific rule #1 says the starting dreamer is town). We do reveal a dream once moonrise phase ends, but not before then;

we are working under the assumption that Ydrasse is the other person revealing dreams. This doesn't automatically make them town, but we noted that they learned from their usage during moonrise 1, and during moonrise 2 they revealed roles in a way where we'd be able to see both of the dreams before picking after discard, which seemed town motivated to us. We didn't want to draw too much attention to that, though,

and I've been skeptical of their thread presence a bit.

During moonrise 1 our preferred dream was discarded, and then our revealed dream was a negative which allowed the mafia to steal the dream choice. During moonrise 2, we did choose to discard the dnd dream as Gif and I felt that the interaction between the dead hider and Aureal was unlikely to have been mistaken, and we got greedy for more. We talk about this a bit in 1392 but are trying to not make it too obvious that we are the dreamer with our wording, while keeping our vote on Aureal the whole time. The Superman dream sounded promising so we picked that. We ended up giving the reporter from that dream to Catgirl Chipotle. In hindsight we should have picked elsewhere as we don't trust Catgirl Chipotle right now, but they had rather different opinions from what we have seen from them recently.

Moonrise 3 was really interesting.

Ydrasse revealed the tower after the mafia discarded something else, which was rather towny (without taking into account that the tower was a watcher, which she wouldn't have known)

, but then when the time came for us to make selections, we were told that our choices were hijacked for the phase. So the tower being revealed

again

was not our choice, and the watcher one shot did not go to a target of our choice either - we don't know where it went. We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

[Silver Ravens]

At the end of the last day before Kyoko hammered themself Von Payne came out with a theory that Catgirl Chipotle was mafia if Kyoko was mafia. They said they needed to out it at that point or else they could be the night kill. Well that wasn't actually true, as we've seen they have a neighborhood during the night where they could easily out that information. So to us that was maybe a bit performative or they forgot their own role. Their choice of Enchant seems weird too, though they said it was a randomized choice, which seems weird to us (no offense meant, but you don't really have a lot to say Enchant); did they mention their role being compulsive earlier? I'd think the default would be nobody gets added.

But we're not locked into Von Payne being mafia or anything, just the above is weird. Our top suspect right now is Catgirl Chipotle, we think their play during twilight and the night phase is way a large departure from how they've been playing up until now; they are way quiet all of a sudden when we'd expect them to be reevaluating things since they were wrong and their view of the game should change. They've been calling us mafia due to connections with Kyoko, who was not mafia... what do they think of the game now? Plus Maria saying they thought Kyoko was town is a bit of a mafia claim in itself.

We should all be claiming roles today, and ideally Catgirl Chipotle goes next.

[Silver Ravens]

OK so Ydrasse not being the dream revealer has thrown us off a bit.

[Silver Ravens]

It's limlo. Everybody should be claiming. Mass claim is better done before the dream stuff as some things are targeted and mass claim might change things.

[Silver Ravens]

By some things being targeted I mean dream stuff. It's better to have all the info out before then. Mass claim is something that needs to happen today - we are about to lose the game unless we no elim today or eliminate mafia today.

[Silver Ravens]

Setup Specific Rules (These are important!)

1. One member of the
   Dream Voyagers
   is selected to be the
   Dreamer
   during Pregame, and their identity is not revealed. The
   Dreamer
   is the ultimate arbiter of which Dream will take place during the night. Due to various circumstances, such as night kills, other players may become Dreamer as the game progresses.

Read this part again Sunflowers

[Silver Ravens]

i feel like pressuring potential scum to claim first is generally better, no?

Well our bad if we went out of order, but we felt we needed to claim to get people to listen to us. What are the odds that if we call for a mass claim before dream phase without claiming that you folks say it is better to wait until after dream phase? We only have 1 day for this phase so we need to move relatively quickly.

[Silver Ravens]

Sunflower us claiming before dream selection rather than after is also important because it means we effectively can't be counter claimed. We can prove our own role by telling you folks what dream we are going to select ahead of time. If we wait until after dream selection then things might get more muddy.

[Silver Ravens]

hello

i understand the necessity of claiming at elo and how clownish what i am about to say is given that we are at the point where it's probably necessary, and that perhaps i have not done the most i can to foster this level of trust, but i really nd truly think it is in the best interests of everyone here if i don't claim and keep the mafia unaware of my role

fmpov i know that other town will go "nooooo grrr that's dumb" but the mafia has to sit here and question what i have that is so troublesome that i don't claim it. it could be nothing. it could be a way to kill one of them if i'm limmed. maybe i have 50 guns. maybe i'm an awesome dreamer backup joat something. who knows.

i understand that it is a very large ask this late in the game but i wouldn't ask if i didn't think it was important

We need to think about this. Will you claim if we ask you to later? It might depend on how the rest of this phase plays out.

[Silver Ravens]

Okay... so chances are mafia can mess with the dreamer results again today, and that's why Catgirl Chipotle is doing this. This is also the only part they have focused on. They have not claimed who they would have targeted with abilities or what their reasons would be.

[Silver Ravens]

So your targets are us who you are ccing and the person who died last night.

Odds are you hijacked our selection and redirected the watcher ability to your teammate instead. And then claiming to have sent the reporter to us is out of convenience.

[Silver Ravens]

I think you saying that Actiondan ever hinted at having the watcher is untrue. And them hinting that they thought you were the Dreamer is also untrue. I don't think ActionDan ever did either of these things.

I feel you have been doing a lot of that this game; trying to spin a narrative out of the dead players that is questionable and/or false.

Show your work? Where is Dan "well aware" of anything?

[Silver Ravens]

No one gets to take potshots at my darling Dan though. This means war. (If Von really is wolfreading Dan I'd like to know why cause they're my personal top TR)

I feel like the Belle at the ball

for the soft in ref btw nj you tried

Neither of these are softs. Belle at the ball is not related to towers in any way; they feel like the princess because You say they are your top townread there an we said they were our top townread. Possibly other people as well.

[Silver Ravens]

I have seen these gamestates a million times.
Usually when it's obvious that there are 2 people that are very much wolves together, going all-in on a cc battle vs 1 player (if you read Raven's post, I think you could figure out they were expecting to fight a CC battle with us), and those players can't make up a story on who that 1 player is teamed with, the 1 solo, individual player is likely just town while the other 2 are just wolves. This is why generally you see a lot of "Well, I think this person is a wolf, but I can't think of who could possibly be the second one!" That would be because there is no second one, who am I partners with? The answer is no one because I'm a villager.

We think you are with Von Payne or Sunflower

[Silver Ravens]

but I think anyone who can think over mech for 2 seconds can go:

2) Given we're the of dreamer they would've had the power to get dream choice later so why would they get the chance to mess with it to begin with.

This means what? How do mafia get the power to get dream choice later?

[Silver Ravens]

Moonrise 4's Six Dreams

• A bold knight in shining armor came to fight me. Rescue me. Something like that
  
• The sheer elation of being able to double-jump
  
• My house started flooding while I was watching TV
  
• I met MrBeast on an electric train to the redwoods, and when we got there we lay down in front of a bulldozer to save a tree
  
• Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry?
  
• I won the lottery! But so did everyone else... Except those rich jerks.

We should collectively as a town agree on what 3 dreams we want to vote in, and then assign Catgirl Chipotle to 1 choice and us to the other.

I haven't spoken with GiF about dream picks but tentatively the Bold knight, Double Jump, and MrBeast dreams seem the most promising based on name.

It's important to only vote for the good dreams today as mafia can likely influence the results based on Catgirl Chipotle counterclaiming but it will likely have to be inside of the list we choose, so we do still have some influence. And it's important to be united on what we are picking because otherwise mafia can sway things with their own votes.

[Silver Ravens]

If ActionDan were softing watcher they would say they felt like Rapunzel, who is actually related to towers in some way.

Belle at the Ball is from Beauty and the Beast and is not related to towers, watchers, or dreamers in any way. This is some serious reaching and trying to justify things based on what the dead said.

[Silver Ravens]

Okay I don't get it, can mafia just make choices instead of dreamer?

It's probably most ugly way to counter. Like giving you food, then forcing two bullies to eat it on your eye.

It must be a mafia power role.

[Silver Ravens]

We made all of the dream related decisions in the game

oh that
i msg'd ffery about that as soon as I found out and it turns out I had nothing to do with it

[Silver Ravens]

Nah we got it Enchant. We were waiting to see if you would claim that or not, and if Von Payne's claim would contradict our results when it came to their turn to claim. We thought we were confirmed town at start of the day, and then Catgirl Chipotle cc'd and we wanted to see what they had to say about the reporter and if they would get caught in a lie.

Reread what we wrote, we didn't say we didn't get it, we said we didn't choose who it went to. We did use our ability on Von Payne and saw that they went nowhere.

[Silver Ravens]

Because I can very consistently spot town!Drew

it's shocking how easy it is to spot town!Drew

in general villagers are just easier to find than mafia

There's more of them and most people make it easy

I might want to see a Drew scum game to understand the extent of his capabilities.

After playing This game with wolf!Drew, whenever I've been able to identify Drew as town, it has been extremely quickly. It's just very easy to tell if Drew is apart of a wolf team or not.

oh von payne's pivots on our slot were pretty obv as well and is part of drew's signature wolf game. ig I'm starting to see the bullshit for what it is.

This progression makes no sense.

Does anybody have experience with how scum Alisae treats their buddies? Does this point towards Von Payne being town?

[Silver Ravens]

We didn't lie though.

[Silver Ravens]

What, your slot has 430 posts already. You're saying you'd have 860 as mafia?

[Silver Ravens]

You said you handled all the dream stuff, and then said "oh yeah that" when Enchant started talking about it.

[Silver Ravens]

What part of the argument have I not responded to?

We explained why we did what we did, we did not lie about anything.

In fact we would have no motivation to lie about this as mafia anyway. You are grasping at anything you can.

[Silver Ravens]

idk if anyone even read my posts i made at end of night (understandable) but i think of the things i said, 657 coming right after kyoko cases hu tao and then klick cases aureal/catgirls (with wagons on hu tao and aureal both starting), followed by catgirls voting hu tao and then klick dies in the night, is probably one of the most important things

maybe it doesn't matter, if this is supposedly getting resolved, but i don't think that catgirls would cc here unless they had some sort of plan which concerns me

so i think it's still important to read things on play

Yeah I agree with this.

[Silver Ravens]

For Kyoko Kirigiri, the Nightmare is over.

She was a

Deep Sleeping Inventor

of the

Dream Voyagers.

Spoiler: Kyoko Kirigiri's Role PM

Hello, Kyoko Kirigiri!

You are a

Deep Sleeping Inventor

of the

Dream Voyagers.

Your abilities are:

• I make fun stuff!:
  As an Inventor, you have three devices. On three nights, you can give a device to another player. If the player uses the device on another night, it will temporarily affect something about the Dreaming Mechanics.
  • A mysterious sports car
    
  • An ectoplasmic camera
    
  • A gossamer shroud
• To sleep, perchance to dream
  : As a Deep Sleeper you may be able to Dream on other nights. See the Game-Specific Rules in the Game Thread for more about dreaming.
  
• Do I talk in my sleep? Are you sure?
  : Your voice and your vote.

Your Win Condition is

You win when all

Bad Dreams

have been eliminated or nothing can prevent that from happening

Please confirm by quoting or paraphrasing your faction's name, rule 3 from the Game-Specific Rules, and your favorite color in reply to this message.

When did Enchant claim to have used the ghost camera? Or am I misunderstanding something?

I received it N1, used it N2.

Forced superman to be second dream today.

Basically, it forces dream of previous day to be in play again.

[Silver Ravens]

Enchant had previously claimed what they did

[Silver Ravens]

And Kyoko's role is flipped

[Silver Ravens]

you both said the same thing, that you didn't hand out the reporter?

On moonrise 2 we gave the reporter to Catgirl Chipotle

On moonrise 3 we were hijacked and had no influence over either of the dreams, but this was actually two separate mechanics: The hijack, and the ghost camera which allowed Enchant to send the moonrise 3 reporter to us

[Silver Ravens]

Like, look at the actions Silver is saying:

"We gave it to our cc"
"We got hijacked twice"
"Oh they're gonna hijack the dream again"

Putting reads aside I don't think it takes a genius to figure out who is winning this. I'm gonna stop answering them but if you need something @ me.

You cc'd us after our claim though. And we only got hijacked once.

[Silver Ravens]

So do you believe this one random inconsistency to be true, when the idea of a hijack is odd in and of itself

when a dead mafia has the power to become the dreamer?

(Truthfully I don't know how that part works so they could have some sort of dream manipulation but it'd certainly be one shot and I always figured it wouldn't come into play until after we died)

I don't believe the bolded part here is public knowledge the town has access to. I'm pretty sure Catgirl Chipotle is confusing abilities they have posted in their mafia pt as public knowledge.

[Silver Ravens]

Nowhere in the setup does it say, or is it even hinted, that a dead mafia player can become the dreamer.

!!!

[Silver Ravens]

Regardless of the 3 dreams chosen here is how it should work:

Cat reveals The top dream
If top is discarded do the next highest dream

Raven Reveals the Bottom dream
If the bottom is discarded reveal the next lowest dream.

Pretty simple. If a villager has any questions let us know but we're both pretty beat up and logging off the night (mood is bad) but ye.

I want Silver to agree to this as they should have no problem with it if they're real.

Yeah sure, we'll reveal the bottom dream if we are able to.

[Silver Ravens]

For Aureal, the Nightmare is over.

She was

Tarhalindur, Deep Sleeping Master Roaster of the Midsummer Night's Coffee

of the

Bad Dreams.

Spoiler: Aureal's Role PM

Hello Aureal!

You are

Tarhalindur, Deep Sleeping Master Roaster of the Midsummer Night's Coffee

of the

Bad Dreams.

Your non-factional abilities are:

• On this night, nothing can stop me
  : Once during the game you can perform the factional kill with a Strongman modifier.
  
• There is no refuge in deep sleep
  : Each night, you can target a player and learn if they are a Deep Sleeper.
  
• To sleep, perchance to dream
  : As a Deep Sleeper you are potentially able to Dream. See the Game-Specific Rules in the Game Thread for more about dreaming.
  
• Do I talk in my sleep? Are you sure?
  : Your voice and your vote.[/b]

Your factional abilities are:

• Nyaaaaaaa
  
  
• Meoooooooooow
  
  
• ScritchScritch
  
  
• Purrrrrrrrrrrrr

The factional abilities are redacted for us.

!!!

[Silver Ravens]

Also you ccing us first doesn't mean much when ti says in the mafia role pm that you can target people to see if they're a deep sleeping and it openly said that the mafia were haunting so you can know it's us coming into the phase so.

They died on day 2. They used their ability 1 time with 9 townies alive, and then the dreamer didn't die.

[Silver Ravens]

Wow, is reading the third part of the role in the rolecard that hard for you?

That does not say that they can become the dreamer while dead.

[Silver Ravens]

I didn't know what you meant. You are saying the dead mafia had the ability to become the dreamer

while alive

?

[Silver Ravens]

After the dream votes were locked in we were informed that we lost the Dreamer role and also lost the ability to sleep deeply for the rest of the game. We didn't get to reveal or pick anything.

We voted Bold Knight, Double Jump, Lottery for dream votes

VOTE: Catgirl Chipotle

[Silver Ravens]

Who is the double voter? It says only 6 votes in play

[Silver Ravens]

Regardless of the 3 dreams chosen here is how it should work:

Cat reveals The top dream
If top is discarded do the next highest dream

Raven Reveals the Bottom dream
If the bottom is discarded reveal the next lowest dream.

Pretty simple. If a villager has any questions let us know but we're both pretty beat up and logging off the night (mood is bad) but ye.

I want Silver to agree to this as they should have no problem with it if they're real.

(I wouldn't be shocked if dream hijack was real but I don't know if reveal and pick are both hijack etc depends how much the mafia is loved but if they rly have no way to stop us they're just outted)

Also apparently wolves misplayed?

I asked ffery some questions
I got answers I am unhappy with
I'm tilted and my personal interest in seeing this game to it's conclusion is 0.
VOTE: silver ravens

I think that Catgirl Chipotle thought they would be able to reveal a dream with their power as well. At some point they switched the confirmation method from

picking

a dream to

revealing

a dream. Their intention would have been to force reveal the top dream with their role and argue that they revealed that normally and only the dream portion was affected.

Their second post here is more setup to what they are planning, their third post they seem to be upset about something.

[Silver Ravens]

Dunn tried to use something that makes me very uncomfortable out of game against me

I misunderstood what you were saying.

[Silver Ravens]

Look at every role. Every one we've done so far what do they have in common: They were 1-shot.

This isn't true.

[Silver Ravens]

Besides the fact I don't think we would've made the cc as a wolf? Dependns on parter of course but ehhhh.

You were likely the elimination today and the cc gives you a chance.

[Silver Ravens]

Look at every role. Every one we've done so far what do they have in common: They were 1-shot.

This isn't true.

The hider was 1-shot.
The inventor could be used 3 times and presumably hands out 1-shot abilities.
The mafia flip had a 1-shot strongman plus a repeatable ability to search for deep sleepers.
The Dream Revealer could be used repeatedly

[Silver Ravens]

dreamer is always town right. if they're telling the truth here then one of them must be scum while the other must be town. but what if they're both scum.

Reread what you just wrote.

[Silver Ravens]

Ok so what if Catgirls is telling the truth

Does Silver/Enchant make sense? Enchant trying to vote outside the 1v1 is just giving me major creeps

Mafia has a double vote and Enchant has been active and could have hammered if they were mafia; Catgirl has been 2 away from elimination with your vote. It looks like it's Catgirl and Sunflower.

[Silver Ravens]

is the double vote active...?

Am I misunderstanding how it works? Isn't today the next game day?

[Silver Ravens]

Because Sunflower is also mafia, and it's 4 votes required to win

[Silver Ravens]

6 alive, 4 is majority, they would only have 3 votes.

[Silver Ravens]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Catgirl Chipotle
VOTE: Catgirl Chipotle

[Silver Ravens]

rereading this game has gotten me only at 50/50 now so i'm having a great time
also the double vote thing clearly isn't happening today unless it's some weird hidden activation etc so let's not waste anymore time in talking about it imo

Do you want to talk about your reasons or something

[Silver Ravens]

fmpov it broadly was aligning as you/catgirls vs payne/ravens (i do not ever vote enchant this game probably) but it’s more muddled than i thought. that the game would fall into two camps makes sense to me if there is a double voter in play where you can Almost always brute force if things work out well the day prior

i guess i thought that if you were sorting the game into two camps then sorting among the others can help resolve the 1v1, so reading for both can be useful. and also resolving the 1v1 points you to where the second wolf is so the "i guess at some point i have to find the second wolf" didn't make sense to me with that mindset

but if it's more muddled then maybe not

ahh i understand more now the disconnect
i don’t think it’s as clean cut as i wanted it to be versus the start of the day and atp it feels more like everyone wants to kill catgirls which is hm. bussing i guess? makes it harder to find last wolf but even then i don’t know how much of reads are mechanical cc stuff versus everything else

I noticed this too but notice that the turn on Catgirls was in between the Kyoko elimination and the current mechanical counterclaim

If mafia can double vote today then Catgirl Chipotle and Sunflower were both voting for our slot so that is why we think it has to be Sunflower for the partner. I get that other people disagree and think mafia can't double vote but we don't get why the current dream would not work. Seeing Sunflower do a 180 on their opinion is jarring anyway

[Silver Ravens]

Catgirl Chipotle doesn't seem to remember what they were arguing anymore.

[Silver Ravens]

Doesn't the wolf in the situation not understand where it went or am I missing something here? I get enchant claimed publically

This is only true from the perspective of you being mafia who hijacked that night but didn't get to control where Enchant targetted.

Not for us being mafia because Enchant targetted us

And you quoted Enchant saying they targetted us when you were making your initial argument

[Silver Ravens]

No, but we would know that it went to us regardless of our alignment. We don't need to "guess" anything.

[Silver Ravens]

Because you hijacked us that night but weren't able to control Enchant's ability

[Silver Ravens]

We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

I thought I could hand out a thingy but I couldn't

Nope. We said it before you did.

[Silver Ravens]

It may be possibility, that Ravens thought that both shots were from cats, so why claim that in 1vs1?

No we were talking about you using the camera though

[Silver Ravens]

Ravens claimed item after i claimed giving it.


It may be possibility, that Ravens thought that both shots were from cats, so why claim that in 1vs1?

And yes again. Due that post from mod, we know mafia could steal dreamer ANY TIME if they knew them.


So does mafia can just hijack dreamer choice twice, without fucking knowing dreamer?
Areeem, doubt.

Maybe mafia has two different powers

One soft hijack and one hard hijack

And the hard hijack is only when they know the dreamer identity for sure, while the soft hijack can be used without knowing the dreamer's identity and instead affects the dream itself. If that makes sense.

[Silver Ravens]

You claimed after us and your claims were both things that couldn't be confirmed. You conveniently targeted the dead player and us after we claimed to have targeted you.

[Silver Ravens]

It may be possibility, that Ravens thought that both shots were from cats, so why claim that in 1vs1?

No we were talking about you using the camera though

I mean yeah, but why would you different picks?


I think dreamer:
1. Picks dream at moon.
2. THEN dream goes to effect.
3. At night they give away shot.


Why in the any hell, you would make different guess about this one, instead of probably basic assumption "Mafia hijacked both". From perspective of any player expect me, it looks like additional shot to give away at night.

Oh this one is easy. If mafia had hijacked the reporter they could have given it to themselves. Instead we got it.

[Silver Ravens]

And remember the dead villager that called out Von for being fake and we got rid of sadly.

They also called you mafia

[Silver Ravens]

it's saying they didn't choose where the 2nd watcher (enchant's) went

Silver claims N2 and N3 they couldn't pick.

No we did pick the moonrise 2, we sent it to Catgirl Chipotle

[Silver Ravens]

Wait where second hijack comed from then.

That happened today after we claimed and got cc'd, and we also lost the dreamer and the ability to deep sleep so we can't become the dreamer again

[Silver Ravens]

Do you see how the idea of Silver being a known dreamer for ages, being alive and still being the dreamer all the way up until today would require mafia to basically. . .not be at their keyboard?

If you want to say they knew Silver was the dreamer and full hijack why are they alive?

I mean Silver said themselves they're no longer the dreamer today so by that logic mafia didn't know they were the dreamer or "kept them alive"
but why would you not take over and make them not the dreamer sooner?

[Silver Ravens]

If we didn't know you were the dreamer how do you explain us claiming to give you the reporter shot on moonrise 2?

[Silver Ravens]

Wow, is this really the first twilight that opened while I'm not sleeping?

[Silver Ravens]

I don't know I think this game is pretty tame

[Silver Ravens]

Pretty jazzy night

[Silver Ravens]

I am not really interested, just vote fast night.

I'm still town though, regardless of some crazy stunt we pulled that backfired.
So in order to give y'all time as much time to discuss as possible, I will not vote for fast night.

[Silver Ravens]

Back in my day some of us deliberately read sec(x) as secx, which always caused at least one person to snicker.

[Silver Ravens]

You did great, fire. gj to you and Ravens

Between this and Datisi's game I'm still kind of a wreck so I don't think I really have anything else of value to say here.

They took you from us too soon