Mini 707: Cops and Robbers Mafia (Game Over)

[Empking]

Yes, his scummy behavior. Please, explain how tunnel vision is a reason to believe GC wasn't really a townie.

[Fuzzyman]

Didn't say it was, just that I thought you thought that it was.

Anyways, what I'm saying is that when you said that GC was pulling the wool over our eyes, you were using what you believed to be his scumminess to prove his scumminess.

[Empking]

You thought, I felt my tunnelvision (which I don't have) was a reason for GC being scum?

No I wasn't. I was saying how I could understand the lack of votes on him yesterday.

[Fuzzyman]

But still, for your argument of him having fooled us day one to be valid, we need to already know for a fact that GC is scum. We do not already know that.

[Empking]

What's your definition of an argument?

[Fuzzyman]

In this situation, an argument is a reason given from one person to either another, some, or all of the people in the game, with the intention of persuading them to agree with a certain idea or position.

Your argument is that GC pulled the wool over our eyes on Day 1. When you say this, you are trying to persuade us to believe that GC is scum. However, for your argument to make any sense, we have to make the assumption that GC is scum.

Since we are required to already be on your side of the argument for the argument to make any sense to us, it is circular reasoning, and will not win you any followers.

[Empking]

In this situation, an argument is a reason given from one person to either another, some, or all of the people in the game, with the intention of persuading them to agree with a certain idea or position.

Your argument is that GC pulled the wool over our eyes on Day 1. When you say this, you are trying to persuade us to believe that GC is scum.

Please give quotes to back up the last part.

you are trying to persuade us to believe that GC is scum

[Fuzzyman]

You've seen GC's play today and you still don't understand why I think he's scum? I could see how he pulled the wool over your eyes yesterday but not today.

Not to mention the fact that your vote is on him. :/

[Empking]

Good. Now back up this:

When you say this, you are trying to persuade us to believe that GC is scum.

[Green Crayons]

You were acting more, superficially, pro-town.

So, by being an active contributor to the discussion all throughout the day as well as providing personal in-depth analysis of two different players is acting "superficial?"

I'd hate to see what your qualifications would be for analytical pro-town behavior.



And I kind of skimmed Fuzz/Emp. Fuzz isn't exceptionally clear (because his argument is... I don't know. All over the place/without any critical points/stilted) and I feel like he's just trying to defend a player who is (nearly) universally regarded as town (me) to make himself look less scummy... but with really bad arguments because he's really reaching to fill this role of "town protector against crazy Emp logic."

I felt like this back when he originally attacked Emp's crazy train of logic.

[mykonian]

It is a pleasure to see you try to be protown fuzzy. I can't promise anything, but you earned an

unvote

. Keep this up!

I don't see the big problem with GC. Really, why vote him, while there are persons that are certainly less protown. eh, like, everybody. Let's not fall for the too towny falacy... If he did "pull the wool over our eyes", he is a fantastic scum player. Or he is just the quite good town player. I wouldn't mind loosing against a great scum player, but I would certainly mind loosing to scum that made us lynch our best player. And even if he is scum, don't you think it would be a little weird he would lead us constantly to the wrong lynch?

To summarice, no way I'm going to vote GC.

[Green Crayons]

To summarice, no way I'm going to vote GC.

Well, with an unvote and a no-way vote for me, who are your top three likely candidates?

[q21]

You know, I'm confused. What exactly was I doing yesterday that was pulling the wool over people's eyes? Your suspicion of me hasn't really made sense.
.

You were acting more, superficially, pro-town.

What makes you think it was superficial on day 1? What you propose is possible, but I don't think you've given any reason for it to be probable. I like my protown read on GC.

[Fuzzyman]

Alright. Looking back, that was not your goal in saying he pulled the wool. Even if it wasn't, it's still circular reasoning, and unproductive.

Corporate is lurking, and needs to post within the next half-hour to avoid a prod.

[mykonian]

top...

ehh, empking would be high on my list after this move. Could be a simple mistake, but still he shouldn't make it. I'm still waiting what mizzy is going to do, could be that she'll be high on my list too, depends on her case on me. Fuzzy is still on it. And yes I know I unvoted him, but I like him to play better, even if he is scum, in stead of just active lurking that won't tell me anything when he would get lynched or killed or before that. His play has improved and I think he should know that.

And because I think corporate to just be an annoying player, most other people I have barely a read on.

I would defenately need another reread before I would see some weak points in other peoples play.

[Empking]

You know, I'm confused. What exactly was I doing yesterday that was pulling the wool over people's eyes? Your suspicion of me hasn't really made sense.
.

You were acting more, superficially, pro-town.

What makes you think it was superficial on day 1? What you propose is possible, but I don't think you've given any reason for it to be probable. I like my protown read on GC.

His lack of actually helping the town lynch scum.

[Fuzzyman]

Oh, kiss my fat backside. We have no idea who has or hasn't helped lynch scum. Not until we get a scum flip, anyways.

[Empking]

We know who isn't helping. The person who's only target is the (confirmed) Pro-town Simpor.

[Fuzzyman]

And who would this be?

[Empking]

GC

[mykonian]

or: let lynch the person that lynched a towny, he must be scum.

only, he didn't know simpor was town, and simpor was acting antitown => GC voted simpor.

[Empking]

One NK suggests 1 mafia team. Myk, how do you know GC didn't know Simpor was not scum.

Also Anti-Town =/= Scummy.

[mykonian]

ok, lets put in a better format

GC is town: he didn't know simpor was town, lynched him for antitown, scummy actions.
GC is scum: he saw an easy mislynch, made himself look town and lynched simpor.

Nothing wrong with the second, but also nothing with the first. A mislynch is not a scumtell: would be fun, you would have more then half of the town as scum

[crywolf20084]

Also Anti-Town =/= Scummy.

Anti-Town can equal Scum. Doesn't always happen that way, but it can.

ok, lets put in a better format

GC is town: he didn't know simpor was town, lynched him for antitown, scummy actions.
GC is scum: he saw an easy mislynch, made himself look town and lynched simpor.

Nothing wrong with the second, but also nothing with the first.

A mislynch is not a scumtell: would be fun, you would have more then half of the town as scum

The above that has been bolded is mine, in which i thoroughly agree with.

[Green Crayons]

Wait, what?


Why is Emp rewriting history here (and, more importantly, why are people swallowing this bullcrap and trying to argue in this fantasy world he's created)? Emp has successfully reconstructed what has happened to suit his own warped perspective of reality. Somehow I have become the driving force behind the Simpor lynch when it was Ether and Patrick who had to convince me to switch my vote (more the former than the latter but they both are the most savvy MSers playing and both read town for me from their respective first posts). I voiced my hesitation multiple times before I joined and by the time the day was reaching the late teens in page numbers I was more than ready to see someone lynched - and since the two players who looked (and Ether still does) most town to me were strongly behind Simp, I was all for it.

Furthermore, I would like to say:

His lack of actually helping the town lynch scum.

Is Emp successfully being mind-numbingly thick (nothing new, I know, but he somehow manages to outdo himself as time goes by). Even putting aside the fact that this response actually ignores my post 634 (which I didn't miss), me being on the

Day One

townie lynch is the sole justification for his belief that I had "pulled the wool" over the town's eyes even though five other players were on that lynch. By that same reasoning, if Patrick was still alive, Emp would have no reason to also believe that Patrick was pulling the wool over the town's eyes. Of course, I'm sure Emp wouldn't lodge such accusations towards Patrick (or any of the other four Simp voters who are still with us) because of Emp's impossibly frustrating blind hatred for me.

We know who isn't helping. The person who's only target is the (confirmed) Pro-town Simpor. ... GC

Once again ignoring my post 634. And pretty much the entire first half of Day One. And my post 601. Simp was not my only target. Simp was not even my first suspicion. My D1 vote had gone from Mizzy to corporate to crywolf and finally settled on Simp. Each of those votes were given lengthy discussion and thought.

Emp's continued idiocy has successfully derailed (or attempted to do so) our game thread each time he has insisted on blindly following bad or broken logic. I don't intend to pay an iota of attention to anything else he has to say about my "devious" ways - or much else, to be honest. I strongly suggest others do likewise, unless if anyone thinks arguing with a brick wall will actually amount to anything productive. Naturally, if someone else has suspicions of any sort against me in the future, I'll be more than happy to address them at that time.

As a side note, does anyone else know if Emp is always like this? I'm hesitant to suspect him because mainly his adherance to failed/no logic just irritates the piss out of me and I don't know if that is weighing a disproportionate bias in my suspicion towards him.


Anyways, I hope to reread Mizzy and Fuzz during the holiday times. They're still on my top three list.