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[fferyllt]

VC 4.3

In the United States as far into the early 1800's the career path for artisans still began with apprenticeships to masters of the trade followed eventually by moving into independent production. The power and traditions of apprenticeship systems in the UK were much stronger than in the US.

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Doctor Drew (2):

Laplacian, MariaR

Ircher (2):

HolySpiritTurtle, Cabd

Laplacian (1):

Ircher

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, lemon.tangerine, Doctor Drew

With 10 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate

Deadline: February 21, Midnight US Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2024-02-20 21:00:00)

Mod Notes

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[Laplacian]

Ircher argument makes sense to me. My main reason for townreading him was the roleblock gift, but 4319 is strong. And him posting about me and Dunnstral and completely ignoring the discussion about him immediately before is bad vibes.

VOTE: Ircher

[Ircher]

My main reason for townreading him was the roleblock gift

You shouldn't town read me off of that.

[Cabd]

I mean why should we then?

[lemon.tangerine]

2 votes from hammering ircher hmmmm

[Laplacian]

My main reason for townreading him was the roleblock gift

You shouldn't town read me off of that.

Agrees, that's why I'm voting you

[Ircher]

No, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't have been town reading me earlier based off of that.

[Doctor Drew]

No, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't have been town reading me earlier based off of that.

Why were you seemingly town reading Lap then(or at least didn't want them in your preferred lim order)?

[Ircher]

No, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't have been town reading me earlier based off of that.

Why were you seemingly town reading Lap then(or at least didn't want them in your preferred lim order)?

I was scum reading Laplacian going into the night. I don't think I voiced that out loud, but that was indeed the case primarily due to this point that I made:

I was kind of suspect of the reloader ability because Laplacian could have easily used the roleblock invention then instead. (It would've made sense too since I think Joyboy claimed to be able to self-target. Thus, mafia could roleblock to prevent the self-heal and kill.) But it seems that ended up not being the case as Drew got roleblocked last night, so that does make me feel a little better about Laplace. I guess it wouldn't be impossible that Laplacian made the kill that night.

Post-claim, I was no longer actively scum reading Laplacian (but not town reading either). Then after thinking it through some more, I'm back at Laplacian is scum for using the roleblock last night rather than waiting for Bell and Pooky to be back in the game.

From a play standpoint, Laplacian has been solidly middle of the pack. Nothing stands out as egregiously scummy or as obvious town, and I've not spent a lot of time in general trying to discern Laplacian's alignmebt. Cabd's points make a lot of sense however and between that and the way the roleblock invention was used, I'm pretty confident that Laplacian is the last scum.

[Cabd]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

[Doctor Drew]

No, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't have been town reading me earlier based off of that.

Why were you seemingly town reading Lap then(or at least didn't want them in your preferred lim order)?

I was scum reading Laplacian going into the night. I don't think I voiced that out loud, but that was indeed the case primarily due to this point that I made:

I was kind of suspect of the reloader ability because Laplacian could have easily used the roleblock invention then instead. (It would've made sense too since I think Joyboy claimed to be able to self-target. Thus, mafia could roleblock to prevent the self-heal and kill.) But it seems that ended up not being the case as Drew got roleblocked last night, so that does make me feel a little better about Laplace. I guess it wouldn't be impossible that Laplacian made the kill that night.

Post-claim, I was no longer actively scum reading Laplacian (but not town reading either). Then after thinking it through some more, I'm back at Laplacian is scum for using the roleblock last night rather than waiting for Bell and Pooky to be back in the game.

From a play standpoint, Laplacian has been solidly middle of the pack. Nothing stands out as egregiously scummy or as obvious town, and I've not spent a lot of time in general trying to discern Laplacian's alignmebt. Cabd's points make a lot of sense however and between that and the way the roleblock invention was used, I'm pretty confident that Laplacian is the last scum.

Why would scum use it on me of all people though, that is the thing

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

I don't believe I said that, I am somewhat going WOTC here

[Ircher]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

Nah, it's not me, and I don't really think it's Drew at this point either. I think it's 70% chance Laplacian and 29% chance Dunnstral. 1% chance of anyone else.

[Doctor Drew]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

I enjoyed your pushing of Bell, so like I said.....never vote you(even if you weren't conf town)

Oh you meant you wanted to start talking about us

[Doctor Drew]

Again as well, if there isn't a 3p mucking things up, I will quit this site, I promise*



*Promise not valid on Sundays

[Ircher]

No, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't have been town reading me earlier based off of that.

Why were you seemingly town reading Lap then(or at least didn't want them in your preferred lim order)?

I was scum reading Laplacian going into the night. I don't think I voiced that out loud, but that was indeed the case primarily due to this point that I made:

I was kind of suspect of the reloader ability because Laplacian could have easily used the roleblock invention then instead. (It would've made sense too since I think Joyboy claimed to be able to self-target. Thus, mafia could roleblock to prevent the self-heal and kill.) But it seems that ended up not being the case as Drew got roleblocked last night, so that does make me feel a little better about Laplace. I guess it wouldn't be impossible that Laplacian made the kill that night.

Post-claim, I was no longer actively scum reading Laplacian (but not town reading either). Then after thinking it through some more, I'm back at Laplacian is scum for using the roleblock last night rather than waiting for Bell and Pooky to be back in the game.

From a play standpoint, Laplacian has been solidly middle of the pack. Nothing stands out as egregiously scummy or as obvious town, and I've not spent a lot of time in general trying to discern Laplacian's alignmebt. Cabd's points make a lot of sense however and between that and the way the roleblock invention was used, I'm pretty confident that Laplacian is the last scum.

Why would scum use it on me of all people though, that is the thing

It's more a matter of burning the ability. Laplacian knows he has to claim to use it on someone eventually, and furthermore, by your own claim, you hadn't used your abilities yet, so that gives a higher chance that using it on you wouldn't be a waste over someone else.

[Cabd]

If there is a third party, they are welcome to step forward and talk to me because chances are unless their win condition is explicitly impossible with mine, they will not find a better deal than while I am alive and willing to defend them from the "kill all third parties on the spot" faction.

[Cabd]

I just am unsure that there is. It doesn't fit with mod meta but hey maybe she is gonna shock me. It's that exact thrill that keeps me in closed setups.

[Ircher]

Again as well, if there isn't a 3p mucking things up, I will quit this site, I promise*



*Promise not valid on Sundays

I don't think there's a third party.

[Cabd]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

I enjoyed your pushing of Bell, so like I said.....never vote you(even if you weren't conf town)

Oh you meant you wanted to start talking about us

No no, I literally meant talking about me and everyone else each person TOWN reads in addition to their scum case. Just in case I want pretty detailed opinions on record in case we hit town once or twice whoever is left in endgame final has a bunch of dead flipped town voices and opinions to consult.


Like I said as lto. Sometimes being overly cautious is very worth it. I've been burned by a "games already over lol" game state and then ended up having to nuke varsoon in final three out of what we thought was a win six cycles prior.

[Doctor Drew]

Again as well, if there isn't a 3p mucking things up, I will quit this site, I promise*



*Promise not valid on Sundays

I don't think there's a third party.

I have been told that and then won as 3p

So who is lying about their role than? The growing consensus is you

Pre Edit: Ha, I actually thought that is what you meant, but went the joke route because I wasn't sure

I really don't get why Maria is lock towned, I do 'believe' she is town, and maybe it is her tunnel on me, but can't shake that something is off(and tbh, she is kinda why I feel there is a 3p)

From PoE Dunn could be scum, scumIrcher could be mentioning them to not seem to being after the easy target though.....but fuck me if you want me to read Dunn

[Cabd]

My impression is Maria is claiming undefined "Town revealing role" such that she is literally openly mod confirmed before we get to final three.

It's not exactly a secret given how hard it's being talked about.

And her getting shot is fine for EV anyways.

[Cabd]

Also

Shower thought. What if it's 3 plus a traitor and that's what the "scab" reference laplacian keeps going on about is a hint towards? And then perhaps the first three didn't have any great scum partner interactions with whoever it is. (I mean of course unless it's Dunn which, it could be? But man that cheekyness of the code taunt then, but it's within his skills)

[Doctor Drew]

My impression is Maria is claiming undefined "Town revealing role" such that she is literally openly mod confirmed before we get to final three.

It's not exactly a secret given how hard it's being talked about.

And her getting shot is fine for EV anyways.

I saw the talk about it, but I unless someone is mech cleared as town....meh

Pre Edit: Oh traitor makes sense in that context

[Ircher]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

I enjoyed your pushing of Bell, so like I said.....never vote you(even if you weren't conf town)

Oh you meant you wanted to start talking about us

No no, I literally meant talking about me and everyone else each person TOWN reads in addition to their scum case. Just in case I want pretty detailed opinions on record in case we hit town once or twice whoever is left in endgame final has a bunch of dead flipped town voices and opinions to consult.


Like I said as lto. Sometimes being overly cautious is very worth it. I've been burned by a "games already over lol" game state and then ended up having to nuke varsoon in final three out of what we thought was a win six cycles prior.

I think I've already done that. MariaR is in my never eliminate pile by the way that both Hu Tao and Light attempted to get her policy limmed.

HolySpirit, I town read mainly for mechanical reasons, but there also a few anti-associatives with Light. Likewise, I also town read you Cabd though I think your play is also town-indicative. However, if either of you are alive in 3p Lim Lo, I'm voting whichever one of you is alive.

lemon I'm not particularly town reading but not necessarily scum reading either. The way the bomb vest was handled was I guess a bit on the townie side. (If it were planned to call it off, I think Lemon would've waited a bit longer. Otherwise, it doesn't make a lot of sense to try to send it to your buddy. Although, did we ever confirm Lemon actually targeted who he said he did? We know he got redirected from the Watcher results, but I guess we can only guess what the original target was.) There's also that Hu Tao pushed lemon pretty aggressively as first, but I couldn't tell whether it was scum pushing a townie or just scum distancing knowing that early reads don't tend to blow up. Play from the slot has been very lackluster.

I think Drew is town. I feel Drew would be engaging less or at least less substantially here if Drew was the last scum. He legitimately seems to be still seeking the last scum, though my one doubt on this slot is maybe the current focus on third party.

Bell is town. Harmony's push against them clears him plus I think Bell eventually did town tell like he always does.

Pooky I guess could be scum. I don't really have a read there, but it seems like we're resolving the slot regardless, so....

[Ircher]

Also

Shower thought. What if it's 3 plus a traitor and that's what the "scab" reference laplacian keeps going on about is a hint towards? And then perhaps the first three didn't have any great scum partner interactions with whoever it is. (I mean of course unless it's Dunn which, it could be? But man that cheekyness of the code taunt then, but it's within his skills)

Don't traitors typically get endgamed if main faction scum are dead?