Sorry for the delay, but here are my cases. I took some notes as I read through, so I have probably missed some things as I just forgot to write them down during my read, but heres what I got. And I didn’t take any notes on RBT, as he is confirmed scum to me, and will be to everyone else tomorrow upon my death. I also know that my rereads my have been partial knowing my alignment, as well as the alignment of everyone dead thus far and I am really disappointed with both lynches. I think Mr_Adams was an extremely obvious newb townie, and because Xtoxm defended him should not have resulted in a lynch on him.
Farkshinsoup will start off…
Farkshinsoup,post 79 wrote:What exactly do you mean by "further investigation"? I'd say that at this point, all things being equal, I would be happy to lynch Mr. Adams at the end of the day. Should we look at other people before the end of the day? Yes, absolutely, especially because we haven't heard from evryone yet. But if no one else emerges as scummier, then we should not keep him alive and waste an investigation on him (if we even have that capability).
I don't like this. it seems anti-town. Its saying that, on post 79, you have already found someone you are ready to lynch, based on a few minor things, but then you try to sound pro-town about it and say you want more discussion before you lynch him.
Farkshinsoup wrote:As of this post, it seems that our mod is still looking for 2 replacements. I know this is an unorthodox request, but I recommend that we keep our posting to a minimum (no eye-bleeders) until we find someone. That way, if someone is considering replacing in, if they scan the thread, they'll feel that they can catch up to us easily. Also, I can't help but feel that the game is hamstrung until they show up anyways. We don't even have any posts from their predecessors to work from.
Wanting to end discussion for a while, then when the people replace in all they talk about is Mr_Adams.... scummy.
Farkshinsoup wrote:That's fine Rice, don't say hi.
You've already said more in that post than you did in all of Gangland Mafia.
I kid, I kid!
Its okay, he said Hi! to you right before the day started!
Farkshinsoup,post 145 wrote:3 - not buying this dumb newbie act at all. Guy knows all about jesters, but not about ANYTHING else?
Where does he say anything else? I think Jesters are more common on other sites then they are here, so i can buy that he knew what a jester was but not a miller.
Farkshinsoup, post 145 wrote: Come on. I think that we've caught scum.
FoS Knights of Cydonia and Rice.
Both of you seem really eager to end this day quickly.
So you say, come on we have scum. and normally, what you do with scum is lynch them. a lynch ends the day. so basically you are also calling for an end to the day, yet you just FOS them for it? Pot calling the kettle black? and nice of you to say thats scummy, so i don't even need to.
Farkshinsoup, post 203 wrote:Seems like the Mr. Adams wagon is dissipating. That's too bad, cause he needs to die. I can't believe the "poor newbie" strategy is working. Funny how he's not so ready to die anymore - Hallelujah! He's come back to life!
Maybe we can find his partner (or partners).
its too bad that we didn't have a lynch on page 7? scummy...
Farkshinsoup, Poist 203 wrote:And what happened to KOC? Ever since he exhorted us to lynch Adams right quick, he's disappeared. Right now he's my 2nd choice for stringing up. In fact,
unvote, Vote: Knight of Cydonia
.
So let me get this straight...
1) you are "positive" Mr_Adams is scum
2)KOC is also positive Mr_Adams is scum, so calls for his lynch(you do the same thing, just a page later and more subtle)
3)because KOC calls for a Mr_Adams lynch(who you think is scum), he is now scummy. now im not sure when this changed, but normally when someone tries to get scum lynched, they are viewed as protown. So care to explain?
farkshinsoup, Post 203 wrote:This is my second game with Rice, and I find him impossible to read - he has a scummy play style - in the last game I was sure he was scum, and I was wrong. IGMEOY.
Bussing...
Farkshinsoup, Post 206 wrote:Bionic, this is the post that got my attention. Whatever reason KOC had for shutting down the discussion and trying to lynch Adams quickly, I don't like it.
So the first part "shutting down discussion", you blatantly did(however KOC never did it according to either thing you quote). the second part, trying to lynch adams quickly you also did, as i pointed out. Thanks for agreeing with me when i said they were scummy.
@Post 256, its long and I didn’t want to quote it all.
So what you are saying it:
Mr_Adams=Scum
Xtoxm protect Mr_Adams, Xtoxm=Scum
Xtoxm and Mr_Adams can’t both be scum, So Mr_Adams=Town.
So all day you have been calling for the lynch of Mr_Adams, and now you get a revelation that he is a townie, which quite nicely allows you to bandwagon the largest wagon. You have to know the wagon is large, just not exactly how many votes it has since you just asked for a vote count. Anyone paying attention would know he has quite a few, but any townie should put an FOS until they are sure of the vote count, to keep away from a mislynch. But instead you put a vote, putting him at L-1 saying “You need to go under the microscope for a while.” if you has at all paying attention, instead of tunnel visioned on a Mr_Adams lynch you would have realized that he has been at L-2 and been under the microscope for a while.
Farkshinsoup, Post 145 wrote: Come on. I
think
that we've caught scum.
Farkshinsoup. Post 174 wrote:It's pretty much everything you did in reaction to pressure that has me
convinced
you're scum.
Farkshinsoup, Post 285 wrote:I'd like to hear from Adams. A lot of my case against Xtoxm is based on Adams being
town
.
And yet adams had done nothing to convince you he is town, but yet Xtoxm has. how many ways can you twist this to make it fit what you want it to?
Farkshinsoup, Post 288 wrote:WTF!? For the newbies here (Adams, I'm looking in your direction) Self voting = SCUM.
I have no idea if that was the hammer. If it wasn't, let's finish him off, I have no doubts anymore.
If it was the hammer, we may have a looong twilight.
Anyone want to play 20 questions?
First, i have never seen a scum self hammer, unless a cop had quilty, or there was not a chance for them to win. so calling for another person, probably townie, to hammer him is scummy.
Wanting to distract town is also scummy.
Xtoxm, Post 299 wrote:Self vote = VT
This is more accurate.
Farkshinsoup, Post 413 wrote:I'm pretty sure that Zazier is scum.
another scum you found day one? wow!
Farkshinsoup. Post 413 wrote:As much as it hurts me to say this, I find it unlikely that Xtoxm-scum would have replaced into the game and immediately gone after Zazier-scum, who wasn't on anyone's radar at that point. Would have made more sense to just jump on the Adam's wagon.
So Xtoxm-scum would have replaced in and went after Mr_Adams, but you think Xtoxm is scum because he defended Mr_Adams, instead of attacking him?
Farkshinsoup wrote:I agree with KoC, I don't like our cops steered by the town, I think the less we all know about their intentions, the better.
Said proudly by our very own scum...
Farkshinsoup, Post 569 wrote:Xtoxm would be our best lynch candidate even without the investigations.
Other then defending a townie, why is he scummy?
@578- what about all of the cops being insane? Then all give good results, they just have to live past day 2 to benefit from them, because its doubtful they know they are sane day 1. So this excuse doesn’t work.
Farkshinsoup, Post 651 wrote:iceman wrote:I'm still not convinced that disregarding their reports is a smart avenue to follow.
Why? Their sanities and their alignments are completely unreliable at this point - if we start giving weight to their investigations, we'll just be chasing our tails. Can you give me one good solid reason how it's pro-town for us to be wasting our time that way?
bionic wrote:We need to scum hunt this game. The cops are basically a distraction until there is conclusive evidence of sanity.
QFT
Vote: icemanE
Didn't you just do this in 578? munchkin calling the midget short...
@697- Why the sudden change back to Xtoxm? And why the unvote of icemanE? Afraid he was about to get lynched, so you would add more fuel to the Xtoxm fire?
Farkshinsoup wrote:As far as my top suspect, it's ice right now (hence the vote), with KoC a close second (I remember how he was dying to lynch Adams early yesterday), Xtoxm is not cleared yet, (but I'm working from the assumption that he's town and trying to see who's pushing that wagon) why is he trying to push for lynching the (possibly insane) cop now that his wagon has gotten wobbly? Rice is still bugging me but short of waterboarding him, I'm not sure that there's much more I can get out of him
You say that IcemanE and KOC are your top two suspects, yet vote for your third based on stuff he did on day 1 like:
Farkshinsoup wrote:So he clearly thinks that KoC is scum.
Why didn't he vote for him on Day 1? Why keep his vote on Zaz throughout (he's pushing pretty hard for her lynch right now, doesn't even want to wait for her replacement) I find it exceedingly scummy to accuse someone of being scum but not actualy backing it up with a vote.
When he does finally vote him on Day 2, this is what he says:
Xtoxm wrote:Vote KoC
As as i'm concerned,
even if he's town
he's been far too scummy for me not to vote him.
He also did the same thing to me on Day 1:
Xtoxm wrote:
I'd be ok with a Fark lynch too I think he's being to anti-town right there's a fair chance he's scum.
When I challenged him to back this up with a vote, he responded 20 minutes later with this:
Xtoxm wrote:Actually I think you look more like a townie who is certain they've caught a scum, and nothing anyone says is going change your mind.
SCUMMY. AS. HELL.
Vote:Xtoxm
Well for starters, there are multiple mafia, so you can vote one but think two are scum. Second its on your close number two suspect, so how is it suspicious? And third, if all of these were so scummy, why did it take you so long to vote for him, or why did you ever take your vote off of him?
Farkshinsoup wrote:There's no way a townie would do that. We caught scum!
Second time you said this and was wrong. Lol
Okay that took me 2 hours, and I still have 3 to go, so I’m shortening the rest.
IcemanE/TheSweatpantsNinja, come on up…
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Unvote, vote Mr. Adams.
Mr. Adams' 'cases' smell pretty much like OMGUS to me.
Mr. Adams:
Your vote is currently on KoC. Could you explain why you think he's scum for reasons beyond 'he voted for me and I didn't like it?'
So you disappear for a while, then come back and put Mr_adams at L-1 because he made a couple OMGUS cases? what do normal newb townies do? they make OMGUS cases.
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Newbies are scum too, and adams is dropping common
new player
scum tells, (pushing a wagon on a 'hunch,' resorting to OMGUS). So yes, I am pushing a newbie lynch, in the sense that I believe Adams is a newbie who is also scum.
Mr_Adams never "Pushed" a wagon because of a hunch. he placed one vote on his and never called for any more. he even said that if it got close to a lynch he would unvote because he doesn't want to lynch someone on a hunch, it was just a good place for his vote to sit.
As soon as Ice replaces in he tries to convince town that cops should check sanity on Miller. Scum would obviously like this idea…
bionicchop2(case on icemanE) wrote:
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Who I will vote for is my top suspect -
vote icemanE
. In reread, TSN had a very high ratio of scummy posts. icemanE replaced and was initially pro-town in my eyes, but I think the front he put up on D1 about concern for verifying sanities unraveled towards the end of the day and completely disappeared today. I think he smells blood in the water and is jumping on this xtoxm lynch.
Post analysis:
Post 20. Restates that claiming on D1 is the best practice. This was something that was already stated by at least one person. This is a fluff post (as much of his were)
27. Again states how claiming miller on day 1 is pro-town, but throws out the statement of how we can't give X a free pass and he could be scum.
70. Misrepresents Adam's reason for voting X (says he voted because he never saw the role before). Claims confusion about Adams. No vote still.
92. Fluff post. Answers an acronym question and then kind of agrees with someone while not exactly committing to anything.
165. Slips in on the Adam's wagon because his 'cases' are all OMGUS after being gone for a while
LARGE GAP - TSN fades away (left site) and delays in replacement. (null tell - just here for info)
504. Comment about no lynches on D1 never being good seems odd - there were enough active people and votes moving to get a lynch. Seems like a way to drop a vote on Adams without any reasons.
561- iceman thinks it would be a waste of time to lynch Xtoxm right now.
565- says Xtoxm is admitting to being scum. Seems to lament his vote. Votes xtoxm
592 - completely contradicts his play from the previous day. Takes the 2 guilty reports and uses them to guide his reasoning
(we debated this point for a while, so I am not identifying every post I disagreed with on the same topic and only counting it as a single scummy action instead of multiple).
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Finally, I want to say I am very much against any lynch just to confirm sanities. If both cops are actually town, then we are looking at paranoid / sane or paranoid / insane unless they both have the same sanity which is very rare in multi-cop games.
If 1 is paranoid, that is very dangerous. No matter what Xtoxm shows up as, we won't know the sanity of whatever cop is left alive. Either way, the living cop could be paranoid. The only thing that sheds any light on the situation is if somebody gets an innocent report.
I will say again what I said on Day 1. We need to scum hunt this game. The cops are basically a distraction until there is conclusive evidence of sanity.
This pretty much sums it up. I have been rereading this thread multiple times for 2 and a half hours and am getting really tired. And my thoughts go exactly with his, so im going to save some time and post that.
icemanE wrote:I'm cool lynching RBT today.
vote: RBT
I also don't like this post, its just a few posts into the day, at lylo, with me an unconfirmed cop. why would anyone want to rush a lynch at lylo?
Anyways, ill try to get one up on KOC, and bulk up IcemanE’s before the hammer, but now im ready to go to night. Just wanted to get my thoughts on the table before the day ended.
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