open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[shiki]

well obviously no sleep if save, because 5, but no sleep even if no save, because could then theoretically still get save

i kinda like playing at melo anyway because more town voices and! no quickhammers

but generally situation dependent

[OutWorldER]

oh no sleep = no elim

that's the part that was confusing me

[shiki]

theoretically we could have more than two if doc shoots correctly tonight (and does not get shot)

but more than likely it's Melo tommorow.

if doctor alive tomorrow don't sleep

what did she mean by this

some people always like to sleep at 4

which would be unwise if the doctor is alive at 4 in my opinion

[shiki]

that's the part that was confusing me

how likely do you think it is that scums targeted a non-titus party the night before last or the night before that one?

[OutWorldER]

if that were the case than either a) Titus jailed the target, unlikely given who she was jailing or b) Doc was never on Titus and miraculously guessing every NK target after N1

both are highly unlikely, so I'd say it's an infinitesimal chance that scum was targeting anybody other than Titus.

I'm not sure what the point of that question is though.

[OutWorldER]

i think scum just lol-shooting Titus every night is probably just the correct theory since in a setup with no Tracker/Watcher there's no punishment for doing so.

[Bellaphant]

Going with what I was just saying to shi, his sr on me looks the most opportunitistic?

is jupiterxv scumreading you? i guess i walked away from interaction mostly thinking had no reads outside of self and me

Jupiter started being like 'why is anyone tr ing bella' when shadow and I had a little conflict and then doubled down when you came in with me as your top Sus. That's certainly how it felt.

[shiki]

if that were the case than either a) Titus jailed the target, unlikely given who she was jailing or b) Doc was never on Titus and miraculously guessing every NK target after N1

both are highly unlikely, so I'd say it's an infinitesimal chance that scum was targeting anybody other than Titus.

I'm not sure what the point of that question is though.

well titus could have jailed the target and then said she jailed someone other than her actual target right (unlikely in skygazer's case but the night before perhaps)

or doctor could have guessed the target and then gone back to titus and then not last night right

i guess the main two points were that, i was thinking about the likelihood myself and wanted your input and also! there's like potential perspective stuff from earlier in the game that can be applied if trying to look through that lens right; even start of day stuff with how you/projectry were viewing things right, as scums would have knowledge that town would not

[Bellaphant]

I agree with outer I think

[shiki]

Going with what I was just saying to shi, his sr on me looks the most opportunitistic?

is jupiterxv scumreading you? i guess i walked away from interaction mostly thinking had no reads outside of self and me

Jupiter started being like 'why is anyone tr ing bella' when shadow and I had a little conflict and then doubled down when you came in with me as your top Sus. That's certainly how it felt.

oh much earlier! sorry will go look at that interaction

it's hard to explain perspective i was working from at the time because it no longer exists but you weren't my top sus as much as my desired jailkeep target

[Bellaphant]

I mean I'd have been a better choice than sky!

[shiki]

you weren't my top sus as much as my desired jailkeep target

at least for three nights ago and two nights ago; last night additional factors i was trying to work through and then day over

[JupiterXV]

Going with what I was just saying to shi, his sr on me looks the most opportunitistic?

is jupiterxv scumreading you? i guess i walked away from interaction mostly thinking had no reads outside of self and me

Jupiter started being like 'why is anyone tr ing bella' when shadow and I had a little conflict and then doubled down when you came in with me as your top Sus. That's certainly how it felt.

i’ve been asking why people were townreading you for a While, and i didn’t even read the argument you and shadow had. i still don’t know what it was about since i didn’t bother to read

[JupiterXV]

i don't wanna reveal who i think is the doctor. that'd be bad. i'm just saying i have a faint inkling

okay now i am asking for the who

i think it’s you project or damn but i really am unsure.

[JupiterXV]

doc??? how would it be?

because then everyone is solving from correct perspective

explain please?

if all of town know x is doctor, then everyone knows x is town and can base all of their assumptions on such

like yesterday another aspect of everything is informing the jailkeeper's decision as much as possible, who is safe to jail who is not safe to jail, aiming for most likely yesterday and so forth

oh

[JupiterXV]

Also i’m doing this on phone (still at mun) if i missed anything important pls tell me

[shiki]

i don't wanna reveal who i think is the doctor. that'd be bad. i'm just saying i have a faint inkling

okay now i am asking for the who

i think it’s you project or damn but i really am unsure.

why do you think it's unlikely to be outworlder?

[JupiterXV]

i do know who doc is. it's me. jk

who do you think would submit a titus nightkill again despite needing to succeed last night or lose?

or even what do you think are attributes you would expect from someone who did do so?

like what position would you expect such a player to be in the game?

i think it’d be someone who was in a bad position, probably. if i were scum i couldn’t imagine putting my kill on titus like ever, but i also didn’t know that kills = clears on players so i would probably have just left a lot more bodies across the chart.
ugh i’m trying to think- dropping a kill on titus is really risky and i’m not sure who here would be willing to take that kind of risk
all the people who seem like they’d do that are people i’m really not sure are 100 percent scum

[JupiterXV]

i don't wanna reveal who i think is the doctor. that'd be bad. i'm just saying i have a faint inkling

okay now i am asking for the who

i think it’s you project or damn but i really am unsure.

why do you think it's unlikely to be outworlder?

i don’t know, he just talks like he isn’t
he corrected me on the roaming modifier and earlier in the day he made this one post that gave me the impression that he just Wasn’t doctor

[shiki]

but also why would skygazer think she or dannflor would be likely to be nightkilled

cause theyre towny

idk i thhink scum here wants to kill anyone who's confirmed or towny

still looking for opportunism re:bellaphant scumread (haven't gone back to look at the previous days yet as when you state it here you said you've been saying it for days) but! want to remember this happened

[OutWorldER]

off the back of 3217 I feel confident saying I don't think Jupiter can be scum here.

"dropping a kill on titus is so risky" is nonsense but it's townie nonsense I'm fairly sure.

[Bellaphant]

But it doesn't make sense? Half way through he's saying dead townies are bad for scum because theyd be used for info/clears and then he says he'd leave bodies across the board.

[OutWorldER]

in an indirect way that got me thinking about if Doc should claim or not today.

Because the situation I'm worried about is we go to Melo and scum either claims Doc before the real doc or CC's the doc to try and secure the last mislim. I don't think it's super likely for that to happen unless scum was super confident in their position going into Melo though.

[Bellaphant]

If the group think is to flip project, ok, but then can we look at Jupiter again? He has had so many passes for 'i didnt read that ' , 'i didn't know', it bothers me.

Scum would never risk counter claiming here, logically

[Bellaphant]

All we'd end doing is having a pool of vts and a dead Dr. It is /probably/ (have done no maths) worth claiming tomorrow