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Post Post #3175 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:51 am

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Post Post #3176 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:54 am

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In post 3137, Bellaphant wrote: What's bothering me is I can't work out if targeting Titus last night was a good or bad move from scum and then what that means.

Scum submitting kill Titus x 5 feels super level 0, but scum submitting kill Titus x the one time they felt she was going to jail the Dr and was right about it is obviously super good.

it is interesting to me that you have been thinking about worlds where scums targeted players other than titus at some point

not solely today but earlier as well, as i was talking to skygazer about yesterday
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Post Post #3177 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:59 am

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In post 3137, Bellaphant wrote: Outer tr-ing me when I've been fairly openly pushing him/there could be momentum on me is making me reconsider.

Is it just Jupiter? I want shisko to be clear because 9/10 times frayed knots claim comes from town, I think if it's dann then it's going to be Dann all the way to elo, project i just think is town.

we only have two eliminations left so scum!outworlder could count on momentum coming from elsewhere - if anything stance on projectry the townier one to me

like same reason scum!dannflor might townread you/projectry and push jupiterxv here right
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Post Post #3178 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:00 am

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In post 3177, shiki wrote: as i was talking to skygazer about yesterday

or rather, attempting to talk to skygazer about yesterday
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Post Post #3179 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:02 am

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In post 3096, ProjEctRy wrote: With a doctor claim, provided the claim is outside of the strong town pool, can we whittle it down (each in our own minds) to 4 town reads, leaving two suspects?

If we can collectively agree on two strong town reads (Dann and Shiki (agreeing with ). Then the doctor claims (this relies upon the doctor not being Shiki or Dann), that takes it to 3 strong town. Then every other town individual knows they are the 4th town, which leaves two possibilities.

Then we just focus votes on the final two.

Is that something that works or helps, or is it too risky to reveal the doctor?

this kinda towny to me tho because it is doing the solving for everyone thing
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Post Post #3180 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:03 am

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which i had to learn to do as a scums from my townplay it wasn't something that i just knew to do as a newbie scums
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Post Post #3181 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:05 am

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though, mm, also the approach i was pushing days earlier, so there is worry
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Post Post #3182 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:06 am

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and outworlder post as well
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Post Post #3183 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:07 am

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In post 3180, shiki wrote: Then every other town individual knows they are the 4th town,

right this has been true since i got here - the other town individuals did not even need to know they are the 4th town before today simply that they were the third town
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Post Post #3184 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:08 am

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i have literally no idea how that quote ended up attributed to the wholly incorrect post
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Post Post #3185 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:09 am

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In post 3096, ProjEctRy wrote: Then every other town individual knows they are the 4th town,
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Post Post #3186 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:10 am

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In post 3185, shiki wrote: i have literally no idea how that quote ended up attributed to the wholly incorrect post

if it were attributed to the other post in which i had already previously quoted 3096 then maybe

but as is no idea
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Post Post #3187 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:34 am

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In post 3114, OutWorldER wrote:
In post 3110, ProjEctRy wrote:
In post 3102, OutWorldER wrote:
In post 3096, ProjEctRy wrote: With a doctor claim, provided the claim is outside of the strong town pool, can we whittle it down (each in our own minds) to 4 town reads, leaving two suspects?

If we can collectively agree on two strong town reads (Dann and Shiki (agreeing with ). Then the doctor claims (this relies upon the doctor not being Shiki or Dann), that takes it to 3 strong town. Then every other town individual knows they are the 4th town, which leaves two possibilities.

Then we just focus votes on the final two.

Is that something that works or helps, or is it too risky to reveal the doctor?
Bro just legit regurgitated everything I said in :dead:
Tbh because you post regarding doctor claim was separated from 3077, I didn’t even notice we’re saying the same thing. I think that tells you your read on me is wrong.

I think it’s fairly obvious I’m struggling to keep up or understand what’s going on here. I’m clearly not the mastermind behind all of this.
What makes it impossible for you as scum to not be able to keep up with the game? For the past like, what, 6 nights in a row now, scum has had no partners to talk to, only two real possible night actions to take (no-kill/shoot Titus), and no real ability to affect the game without losing since the past multiple days have come down to elimming JK targets and following PoE. There's no reason you can't be dis-invested from the game and scum, in fact I'd argue it's far more likely.

something about this post tho maybe
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Post Post #3188 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:50 am

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In post 3178, shiki wrote:
In post 3137, Bellaphant wrote: Outer tr-ing me when I've been fairly openly pushing him/there could be momentum on me is making me reconsider.

Is it just Jupiter? I want shisko to be clear because 9/10 times frayed knots claim comes from town, I think if it's dann then it's going to be Dann all the way to elo, project i just think is town.

we only have two eliminations left so scum!outworlder could count on momentum coming from elsewhere - if anything stance on projectry the townier one to me

like same reason scum!dannflor might townread you/projectry and push jupiterxv here right

I wouldn't have just ploughed into Titus 5 times if I was scum? I would have either no killed for confusion or, I'd have picked off top trs knowing that Titus was jailing the lhf, (until sky. Wtf was that).

Tbf, playing the 'if I was scum ' game is boring because, and I know you have zero reason to trust me on this, I 100% would've conceded by now. In fact the only thing that was my 5% doubt on sky was I felt she was the kind of person that would keep going.

I hate you, btw, remaining scum, for dragging us through this. (in game)

Regarding the 'could set up new trs because we only need two elims', I get you, but I feel like the shift around would be more obvious? In the coalition game I just played, this did become obvious at the end of the penultimate day bit I missed it :(
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Post Post #3189 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:05 am

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Idk jupiter is the only ISO i look at and don’t really find clearing interactions
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Post Post #3190 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:13 am

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Going with what I was just saying to shi, his sr on me looks the most opportunitistic?
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Post Post #3191 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:29 am

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idk I think Jupiter's posting has just been generally townier over the past few days than Project's. I think Jupiter shows a lot of signs of wanting to solve but just not really knowing how to go about it.
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Post Post #3192 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:29 am

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I was going to say I still wasn't opposed to the Jupiter lim but then I remembered Titus is dead and if I'm wrong about the PoE we just lose.
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Post Post #3193 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:31 am

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VOTE: Project

everything in my gut still just screams that it's him and none of his posting today has subdued that feeling
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Post Post #3194 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:39 am

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In post 3189, Bellaphant wrote: I wouldn't have just ploughed into Titus 5 times if I was scum? I would have either no killed for confusion or, I'd have picked off top trs knowing that Titus was jailing the lhf, (until sky. Wtf was that).

well no killing is just the same as targeting titus with less upside, right? but i guess it doesn't seem impossible that the scums in fact did not plough into titus five times just difficult to consider that to be particularly likely (though certainly more likely now that titus was successfully nightkilled)

In post 3189, Bellaphant wrote: Tbf, playing the 'if I was scum ' game is boring because, and I know you have zero reason to trust me on this, I 100% would've conceded by now. In fact the only thing that was my 5% doubt on sky was I felt she was the kind of person that would keep going.

i do trust you on this in a vacuum; like were that the situation in a hypothetical game we were talking about, sure

it's just that in this game specifically i can think of potential motivators for you not to do so, and i am not you and therefore have no way of actually weighing the impact those motivators would have on you beyond 'possible reason not to concede'

it's also arguable that targeting titus repeatedly is a semi-concession with upside, right,

like i am conceding or! i am suddenly in a somewhat favourable position

i mostly like the 'were i a scums' game because i am fully scumbrained regardless of alignment unfortunately

(which can be helpful as town at times but getting myself out of possibility space and into
but are these things ACTUALLY alignment indicative
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In post 3189, Bellaphant wrote: Regarding the 'could set up new trs because we only need two elims', I get you, but I feel like the shift around would be more obvious? In the coalition game I just played, this did become obvious at the end of the penultimate day bit I missed it

i mean, dannflor on a very clear path there from the initial statement of you/projectry, right
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Post Post #3195 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:40 am

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In post 3193, OutWorldER wrote: I was going to say I still wasn't opposed to the Jupiter lim but then I remembered Titus is dead and if I'm wrong about the PoE we just lose.

yeah two elims cannot afford 'i am not opposed tos' here
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Post Post #3196 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:46 am

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theoretically we could have more than two if doc shoots correctly tonight (and does not get shot)

but more than likely it's Melo tommorow.
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Post Post #3197 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:47 am

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In post 3191, Bellaphant wrote: Going with what I was just saying to shi, his sr on me looks the most opportunitistic?

is jupiterxv scumreading you? i guess i walked away from interaction mostly thinking had no reads outside of self and me
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Post Post #3198 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:48 am

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In post 3197, OutWorldER wrote: theoretically we could have more than two if doc shoots correctly tonight (and does not get shot)

but more than likely it's Melo tommorow.

if doctor alive tomorrow don't sleep
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Post Post #3199 (ISO) » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:50 am

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In post 3199, shiki wrote:
In post 3197, OutWorldER wrote: theoretically we could have more than two if doc shoots correctly tonight (and does not get shot)

but more than likely it's Melo tommorow.

if doctor alive tomorrow don't sleep
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