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[Coriolanus]

hey

this "glork" guy

i don't like him.

Vote: Glork

[Coriolanus]

Trust me, an octopus would be FoSing Yos, too.

Octopuses don't have fingers. Lynch the liar!

Unvote
Vote: Glork

this guy has got the right idea.

considering the player list, i'm disappointed by the lack of glork death. apparently experience doesn't count for much.

[Coriolanus]

Vote Count:

7 to lynch.

Xtoxm: 2 (Incognito, charter)
Glork: 2 (Coriolanus, Erratus Apathos)
Incognito: 2 (Yosarian2, Xtoxm)
Pathetric: 1 (Glork)
Yosarian2: 1 (dahill1)
charter: 1 (Assmaster)
Tuberkulos: 1 (Rally Vincent)

Not Voting: 2 (Tuberkulos, Pathetric)

this is the most depressing vote count ever.

[Coriolanus]

considering the player list, i'm disappointed by the lack of glork death. apparently experience doesn't count for much.

Elaborate?

IOW, if it did count for something, you'd be dead.

Unvote Vote Xtoxm

we need a wagon, and if it's not going to be on glork, then screw it.

[Coriolanus]

That's what I want you to elaborate on.

How does "experience counts for something" translate to "Glork should be dead"? I don't understand that statement at all.

experience is praised because a greater experience means a greater ability to hunt scum/whatever. if you're scum, then the experience failed to help. it's a deliberately stupid argument.
also, you're way off base about me being an gimmick.

I would be curious to know where Coriolanus learned about Glork and not the rest of us.

i would be curious to know what the fuck you're talking about

[Coriolanus]

It was page one of the game. Of course it was a deliberately stupid argument. Do you know what the "random voting stage" is?

WELL THEN WHAT'S YOUR POINT?? if you understand that the argument was

random

, then what's your problem? it was a stupid little argument, not intended to boggle your mind.

(And of course you'll deny being an alt.)

and what shit do i give?

[Coriolanus]

are we even talking about the same argument?

[Coriolanus]

considering the player list, i'm disappointed by the lack of glork death. apparently experience doesn't count for much.

[Coriolanus]

I would be curious to know where Coriolanus learned about Glork and not the rest of us.

this.
corio definitely seems to know glork in some way, but i guess that's kinda beside the point.

no clue what the evidence for this is. if i had replaced "glork" with "dahill", what difference would it have made?

also, corio i see your point about glork and his experience etc., but isn't this day start so glork couldn't have possibly died?

what?

[Coriolanus]

xtoxm is the right move here.

[Coriolanus]

So unless you're a raw newbie who happens to have his shit down pretty well and spent some time researching the playerlist before actually diving into the game, you've obviously been around the block before.

this website is linked in a hundred thousand places in the internet.
your join date and post number are completely public information.
people have been referring to you as though you had some sort of great return.
why am i not to assume that you're experienced? what kind of research is necessary?

[Coriolanus]

yossarian, that comment does not convey in any way that glork is an experienced player, and even if it did, i posted my reasoning for why anyone would be able to determine it.

I'm not really sure why you're getting so defensive about this, either.

i want fucking evidence.

It implies that you knew coming into this that there were several reputable players, which I don't see the average (or even the above-average) brand-new-player being likely to make anything of.

oh please. anybody with a brain could determine that without any "research"

That said, I know you're an alt, and you can deny it all you want, but it won't change a damned thing. If I thought that your behavior made you more likely to be scum, I'd be calling for your head right now. But as things stand, I think this is becoming more of a distraction than anything else, so I'd like to drop it and get back to finding scumbaggoes.

how helpful. you have all been.
notice that you spent a whole page arguing that i was a gimmick instead of actually devoting your time to being useful and say, joining a wagon or starting one. i find that fascinating.
if you actually wanted to get something done, you would join a wagon or start one.

[Coriolanus]

This last page or two has been somewhat confusing. Coriolanus, why doesn't your comment about Glork apply even moreso to Yosarian2 who, if I'm not mistaken, has even more playing experience than Glork does?

glork has a greater number of posts IIRC.

What exactly did you mean by "Glork death"? A Glork-lynch or a Glork-NK?

obviously a lynch.

[Coriolanus]

the redundancy in post 65 was a mistake

[Coriolanus]

I have no idea what Yos is trying to achieve with this. It seems like he's trying to argue Coro into admitting he is an alt, which I don't think has any relevance to whether he's scum or not.

it's called a "deflection", a "waste of space", or "a way of avoiding doing anything productive."

also lol at this argument:
them: "YOU'RE AN ALT YOU'RE AN ALT YOU'RE AN ALT"
me: "UH NO I'M NOT"
them: "why are you being so defensive over this? YOU'RE AN ALT! his responses have been strange. YOU'RE AN ALT"

and by the way glork i have an account on conquerclub but i don't think it's in my interests to share it. so yeah, we have had some interaction with your buddies.

Now that was a waste of four pages.

and your solution is a contribution of more waste? notice how you just slipped by and voted assmaster.

being an alt or not isn't that important, but him blowing up for us accusing him of being one does seem off.

bullshit
i was ready to drop the subject immediately, but glork brought it up again.
this is entirely the fault of you, yos, and glork, which is hilarious because all three of you seem to know it was bullshit in the first place.

[Coriolanus]

dahill basically is a sheep. to yos, and then to glork, with me and tuber respectively. he hasn't added a single thing to this game so far. at least glork and yos have given up the "alt" crap, but dahill still seems content with sticking on it. he also has his facts (not surprisingly) terribly wrong. i told glork that i wasn't an alt. the discussion could have ended there. but glork decided on picking it back up by telling me he didn't believe me. so yes, i am just as much to blame for perpetuating this conversation as your are. and currently, you are the one who is perpetuating it. what a shock.

the xtoxm wagon has been deflated, which is fine, because while i don't know him he seems harmless to me, and someone won't yield any information unless he's lynched. if he is scum, he'll be easily taken care of later. dahill is currently the most promising new wagon.

Unvote Vote dahill

[Coriolanus]

actually, dahill, if you had bothered to do your research (you didn't), you would find that it was actually you and ether who kept the conversation going.

[Coriolanus]

on that note, i'm just gonna drop the "reaction to being called an alt" thing for now since it doesn't seem to be telling.

hahahahahahahaha

[Coriolanus]

has the "chainsaw defense" actually been ever proven to be a reasonable meta?

[Coriolanus]

Corio, would you care to respond to my FoS?

don't give a shit, sorry. i meant what i said. if you think that's worth voting me for, just fucking do it, but i'm in the business of scumhunting not defending myself over one comment.

[Coriolanus]

the new xtoxm wagon is made up of stupid.

[Coriolanus]

Why is that?

why is xtoxm not a good lynch?

i'm starting to believe this is a post restriction

because i think his reactions, while being very bad, seem obviously townie to me, and as i said before there is absolutely no reason to rehash this wagon unless you genuinely want xtoxm dead today. xtoxm is a dead end unless you want the day to end now.

[Coriolanus]

[quote=Yosarian]Also, what "new" xtoxm wagon? [/quote]
this newest one, that came after the last.

[Coriolanus]

it was a joke.

[Coriolanus]

how could that possibly be a good reason to lynch him? you lynch someone for being anti-town because they would do more damage to the town than allowing them to live. xtoxm can't possibly do anything to further the damage done by the actions you cite, so there has to be a reason separate from the "anti-town" argument.

[Coriolanus]

Town should never claim vanillia, at all, but scum tend to want to claim vanillia, so it's a scum tell.

unless you can prove that the scum are more likely to claim vanilla than town are, this is basically just pulled out of your ass.
also, you're using "scummy" now. why did you even use anti town before? what function did that term have?

Plus, he's a safe lynch now that he's a claimed vanillia (he's either a vanillia or a scum), and if he gets lynched no one else has to claim, which protects the power roles.

exactly why i think he shouldn't be lynched today (although when i tried to verbalize that before glork shit his pretty little panties). he's got absolutely no information benefit; he's a sinkhole. so unless you've got a great reason for why he's scum, i see no reason to lead a bandwagon on him now. unless, of course, you're planning on getting him lynched. which is something that i really don't foresee unless xtoxm does something monumentally stupid.

[Coriolanus]

because i believe we have better things to do than to run up xtoxm's wagon again and try for a lynch. perhaps i should have said "right now"; this day still has some juice, and if we're going to sacrifice it for xotxm wagon 2, i think it's a real shame. again, a xtoxm lynch is not simply going to go away. but i don't think it will be a cipher at all.

[Coriolanus]

Has anything?

i agree. so why use them?

[Coriolanus]

HThis is at least the second time you've preached about "having better things to do," yet

I DON'T SEE YOU DOING THESE "THINGS" THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

.

thanks for making me read two paragraphs. i guess writing superfluous sentences really makes the bullshit seem more official.

at the beginning of the game, i laid out two things a player could do: start a wagon or join one. i joined one. i've stated my reasoning for joining said wagon. better yet, i've responded to arguments to the contrary, and i commented on another wagon that seems to be gaining popularity.

i could also engage in oratorical gymnastics. but i'm not going to, because that's not what a fucking townie does. i might as well take pictures of me dancing a tango on my desk. i'm actually going to focus on the game and do what i think a townie does.

[Coriolanus]

also, it's really stupid to call arguing against a wagon "useless".

[Coriolanus]

but if you get right down to it, his real-time contributions to the game have amounted to a vote on dahill for sheeping, and now defending Xtox.

i have done more than simply write "vote dahill: for sheeping." but even if it was, i want to know how it is

inconsistent

with what i've been saying a townie should do. because here lies your argument: that i've been swaggering as a cover. so you've actually got to prove that assertion.

[Coriolanus]

.

You have interacted at reasonable lengths with me, dahill, xtoxm, and Yosarian2.

You have addresssed Tuberkulos and Erratus exactly once.

Unless I missed something, you have not ONCE mentioned or talked with Charter, Vincent, Incog, Pathetric, or Ass.

i read a mini game on this site where a player (meme, i think it was) said something about not mentioning when you think a player is town. that is something i thoroughly believe in. i think pathetric has been providing the greatest insights in this game so far (particularly the ether half), and i view ass and charter as very town. i admit that i haven't really considered vincent and incog, and that is probably a mistake of mine. but i think on the whole those players were not worth engaging.
i do suffer from tunnel vision. and maybe you're right; maybe i haven't engaged enough or have been aggressive enough. but i think that's an indication of a mistake, and not of being scummy. because the intent is certainly there.

You seem to want everyone to do this, but you don't seem especially willing to practice what you preach.

i don't think this is an accurate depiction of my behavior.
i questioned the notion of the chainsaw defense. i engaged yosarian on the benefits of lynching xtoxm. these are both recent things, yes, but for five pages three players all the rest of what was out there was garbage about whether i was an alt.
but i guess this is only applicable to recent events, because it was only recently that i started "preaching". to be honest, you haven't given me much of a chance to engage anybody. and i was involved in the two arguments i cited above. what more do you want me to do?

If you are dissatisfied with this, I can pull as many examples as you want until you're satisfied.

you use what works for you. i don't have the skill, time, patience, willpower, or willingness to use rhetoric well.

And I'm not saying this to get a point across to anybody but YOU. This is how I play at times, and you're going to have to deal with it. End of story.

don't care. i'm just here to state what i'm not going to do.

So don't go telling me that verbosity isn't useful to a protown player, because I guarantee you, you are DEAD wrong in that regard.

also don't care. FWIW, i'm never going to believe that (verbosity is not rhetoric.) minimalism seems to me always the way to go.

Who is this directed at, and where did that person refer to the wagon as "useless"? Nowhere between pages 6 and 9 was that word ever used, aside from your post. For someone who just bitched to me about "oratorical gymnastics," you have chosen your misquote rather poorly.

quotations were a mistake and i apologize for them. the point still stands.

[Coriolanus]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

but that's a newbie game. dahill1 has a bizarre propensity to be town in his completed games.

also, i think assmaster might be high. maybe.

[Coriolanus]

bet you it was for

. i think pathetric has been providing the greatest insights in this game so far (particularly the ether half),

[Coriolanus]

is this conversation directly quoted from a chat service or PM? if so, what are you using? or is this a summary of a discussion?

[Coriolanus]

christmas drama is flaring up, so let me just respond to one thing:

Coriolanus got quite worked up in the alt-or-not discussion, but it's nothing that interests me. I don't understand his logic about letting Xtoxm live through the day if he is scum.
"Officer, we have reports on a violent man at Ceasars Palace."
"Okay, but let's go the Mirage instead."
"But Officer..."
"No butts! Let's go to the Mirage. Maybe there is a criminal there too?"
Makes no sense to me at all.

i have major issues with this analogy, in that the town doesn't use the same methods a police force would. let me try to use it anyway:
"Officer, we have reports on a violent man at Ceasars Palace."
"Okay, but let's also go the Mirage. There seems evidence that there is violent activity over there that may be connected."
"But Officer... Can't we put that criminal off until tomorrow? This one's easier."
"Awww shucks, alright. Caesers it is!"

[Coriolanus]

and what's especially problematic is that

i don't think xtoxm is a criminal.

[Coriolanus]

Why use anything? Well, it beats using nothing.

i think that there are other tactics that can be used outside of scumtells. i read an article on MTGS by a player named azrael that can explain my philosophy pretty well, but since this conversation is hopelessly vague and isn't going anywhere i don't think it would be of much use.

[Coriolanus]

i'm glad glork has deemed me unworthy of responding to the things i actually said. or maybe he's so busy typing his own posts he forgot to read mine.

I'd also like to know what's scummy about this.

It feels like Corio was going too far continuing his whole "dahill sheeping" thing (which, by the way, I don't find particularly abnormal for dahill), but fell upon "no, joke" when dahill pointed out the timestamps. It seemed insincere to me.

that's stupid. it should be pretty clear it was a joke.

That's still a terrible idea. You're going to let one criminal run amok for a while longer because there MIGHT be another criminal elsewhere?

your use of this analogy is scummy.

glork, THERE IS ANOTHER CRIMINAL. no "might" bullshit. there is. we know this, because the game hinges on there BEING another criminal (i can make capitals things too!). so i figure we might as well try to spend the day wisely, instead of lazily bumbling through what i consider to be a poorly conceived lynch.

and as i said before, the analogy doesn't even represent my views on xtoxm.

[Coriolanus]

i'm on tigers and ether's post was fine.

[Coriolanus]

and as i said, xtoxm would convince me as a lynch if i actually thought he was legitimately scum. but, as i said, i don't.

[Coriolanus]

this is why i can't have nice things.

FWIW i will respond to that PBPA in the future even though it's mostly garbage.

[Coriolanus]

now that i can meta, patrick, i might remind you to read the end of freedom force.

[Coriolanus]

i meant the post-game argument. the last time i had any interaction with xtoxm was an incredibly heated argument. so i think that it should be noted that xtoxm is an unlikely bedfellow.

[Coriolanus]

Yeah, I'm working out the same thing. At least I have something to meta now. I'm thinking of going back to look at Communique if I have some time during the holidays.

192 posts in that game. you are going to find something if you look hard enough. and that game was over a year ago. a more relevant game is:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6236
in the middle of that game glork, you PMed me, writing "it's so obvious that you're scum." so that game should give you a boatload of information if you're serious about metagaming me.
patrick modded it, and ether was in it.

[Coriolanus]

I think he was intentioanlly trying to deter people from voting him using a self vote, and that is scummy.

i agree with the first conclusion, but i don't follow the second. please explain this.

you later on make a point about playing a "cool" townie. how is this at all consistent with his self-vote? that is a massively risky move for townie or scum, if it was deliberate, as you claim.

Even though the two people he's talking about, me and Glork, are both people he ONLY suspected AFTER they had attacked him.

again i agree, and again i'm puzzled as to why this is scummy.

[Coriolanus]

i am still selectively replying to comments which are easiest to reply to. and this account is called "Coriolanus", not "Simenon"

226 - I don't like Corio's extreme buddying up and apologizing for something he doesn't need to apologize about. Sounds like he just wants to please everybody.

i don't have anything to apologize for, except that i haven't been perceptive enough. this is not a charge that glork leveled against me, though, so it can't be counted as "buddying up."

[Coriolanus]

as i was writing this, i noticed a general trend. you seem to be under the impression that i believe anything that's not scumhunting doesn't count as a contribution. you interpreted my post way, way too literally: one of my jobs is to hunt scum, yes, as opposed to defending myself against things i can't defend myself. that's because the defense would have been completely useless: i meant what i said. but that in no means makes scumhunting the only contribution a player can make. in my view, you're perpetuating this misconception on purpose. the fact is, most of the points you made were contributing something, it just wasn't obviously "scumhunting".
Point 1: there was no discussion to be had there. i told you i meant what i said, and i still do. i wasn't going to hack up a defense to nothing.
Point 2: then maybe you should bother to follow your own example. several of your posts state a position but don't "scumhunt".
Point 3: you quoted it! no, i don't write "SCUMHUNTING COMMENCES HERE:" as a heading to my posts, because i figure that if you're stupid enough to require it you shouldn't be playing this game. what you quoted was a joke, but as long as you didn't take it for one, i think this point is valid. it's stating a connection between yos and dahill.
Point 4: i was responding to a question. that's not a valid use of a post?
Point 5: i was responding to a question. that's not a valid use of a post?
Point 6: your first point is silly. there was simply nothing to defend. and i have been defending myself for a while now. and if i did defend myself, you'd criticize it for

not being scumhunting.

Point 7: Pathetric covered this well. my defense of the xtoxm wagon is a significant contribution. it was this point that caused me to write the introduction above. this is a valid piece of discussion that you're discounting for no reason.
Point 8: it's really divided into several points:
a. i already covered this before.
b. that's because it's

your

thought, not my thought.
c. what else was there to apply? screaming in all caps? that your forté, glork.
d. and not ONCE did you ask.
Point 9: still a valid contribution.
moving on to the next post.
Point 1: that's kind of your job there, buddy.
Point 2: again,

your

thought. i've stated why i support the dahill lynch. i'd also consider yosarian, because he's done nothing but restate his case for xtoxm over and over again, whipping and beating the horses, but the wagon won't move anywhere. but damnit, i want to see the dahill wagon go somewhere. and i might have, if you didn't make this game an obsession over what i've done. it's paralyzed my options.
Point 3: well, i actually don't know what the point of this is.

[Coriolanus]

I'd also say something more along the lines of Corio wants to make it publicly known that he's here and 'scumhunting' when I don't see the need to make it this known to everyone.

where have i done so?

how much experience do you have playing with Xtoxm? Are you in any way basing your read of him in this game off of the single Freedom Force game that the two of you played together? What was it about Xtoxm's reactions make you think he's "obviously town" as you mentioned below?:

One game, as his mason buddy, in Freedom Force. I am, somewhat. I think Xtoxm is town because of how awkward he was in the beginning of the game, suggesting someone who isn't taking instruction from anybody, and how quick he was to vote for himself. That takes balls that scum I think just wouldn't have.

Alright. I'll appease the Glorks of this game and write my thoughts on the

entire game

. I'll even clean up my language and write in capitals!

Dahill is scum because he hasn't made a single contribution to this game that I consider original. He's made it clear he agrees with Glork and Yosarian, and he's defended himself pretty well, but otherwise, he's completely stagnant. I wanted to bandwagon him because I wanted to get something out of him; now that I know I won't get something out of him, I want to proceed to a lynch.
Moving on to Yosarian seems natural. I think dahill being scum actually significantly lowers Yosarian's chances, because dahill would be interested in getting on Yos' good side. However, I hugely dislike Yos' presence on the Xotxm wagon. He built a nice case, but I think is was based on a large number of assumptions, which is why I followed up questioning those assumptions. He actually seems afraid of pursuing anyone else. It needs to be noted, however, that I rarely ever get Yos' alignment correctly.
In the scummy category is also charter, who's presence here is completely new but was brought about by your prodding of me. charter is all to willing to agree with you, and his posts are too infrequent for my tastes. I would just like to see more of him. I know this is a reversal of my original thoughts, but eh.
I'd like to see Incognito really strongly attack somebody. But I also need to know him better. Right now, he seems fine, but a bit distanced for me.
Arriving to you, Glork. I can't read you well. You're obnoxious in every game, but you get the job done, which makes it difficult. I'm biased by your unfortunately innaccurate attack on me. So I'm going to leave you be for now.
Primate is unfortunately not doing anything noteworthy to me. Nothing. He's half-assing in Assmaster. I would like to see him actually assemble a case against me similar to yours. This is primate, of course, that I'm talking about here. But anything's better than nothing.
My thoughts on Xtoxm and Pathetric are clear. Tuber is making legitimate contributions and is doing well for this game, so I think he's town. I honestly haven't looked into Rally Vincent at all.

There you go! The whole shebang. Alternatives to xtoxm and dahill include Yosarian, Primate, and perhaps Rally Vincent.

[Coriolanus]

So Yos either isn't reading, or is just plain BSing. I might change my vote if he continues...

please answer the points in 309.

[Coriolanus]

then just quote where you have addressed them.

[Coriolanus]

quoooooooote them

[Coriolanus]

EXPLAIN HOW WHAT I SAID MADE YOU THINK I "EITHER KNOW OR BELIEVE" YOU ARE TOWN. DON'T KEEP REPEATING THE SAME GARBAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, EXPLAIN WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

but dahill is the lynch.

[Coriolanus]

He flip flopped on Xtoxm pretty badly. He first says he'd be down for lynching Xtoxm, but knows he plays anti-town as town (and I got the impression that he wouldn't want an Xtoxm lynch due to this fact), then votes him for saying he's playing anti-town (and that's it).

i voted xtoxm for the pressure wagon. this is untrue.

I also don't see any scumhunting. There was that bit with Corio in the beginning, which I also didn't understand from him, and he later dropped that entirely too. Pretty much the only other person I've seen him give an opinion on is tuber, and I don't see how he got to his conclusions.

also untrue. i've provided my thoughts on

everyone

last page. why didn't you bother to fact check?

as to your quoted posts, it was a defense of my actions, not a random proclamation. you haven't explained why this is scummy.

[Coriolanus]

I never said it was scummy, I said I didn't see the need to do it.

either you implied it or there was no reason to bring it up.
also, sorry about reading your points wrong. for what it's worth i agree with you.

[Coriolanus]

and i did it because i thought it needed to be referenced as to what exactly i view a townsperson's goal is.

[Coriolanus]

Simenon could have been attempting to feign a certain level of inexperience so as to not be held accountable for the types of scummy things he may have said early on.

exactly why i made the account: so i could say what i felt and not have to be meta'd for it.

[Coriolanus]

how many more days do we have? two?

i want EA and xtoxm to vote for the top three (preferably dahill and not me) by the end of the 29th.

[Coriolanus]

might as well now.

[Coriolanus]

i am becoming more and more convinced dahill is the right lynch.

[Coriolanus]

What makes you say that?

nothing. i thought i saw something, but i decided i didn't.

[Coriolanus]

dahill1: 3
Xtoxm: 5
Coriolanus: 3

i think that's the tally.

i'll vote xtoxm only if that's what it takes to get a lynch.

[Coriolanus]

fuck it we don't have time for this

unvote vote xtoxm

[Coriolanus]

this is the hammer you've always wanted glork.

[Coriolanus]

Vote Assmaster

FOS charter and maybe Glork

reasons later[/b]

[Coriolanus]

and add one of those "FOS" thingies to dahill for good measure. they can't all be scum, but that's who i'm looking at right now.

[Coriolanus]

the more things change... pleased to know that you haven't decided to take a new look at the game after two townspersons died.

[Coriolanus]

charter's early posts (18th-19th): pretty solely focus on dahill. he even makes a post just with "I'd like a dahill lynch from today.".
posts 4-5: finds xtoxm to be town, and he again uses that to focus on dahill. [i approve of this, by the way. i think charter's reasons here are very valid.]
post 6 comes on the 23rd, three days since his last. he defends xtoxm, but the defense doesn't put forward any points, just reiterates what he says before. he moves on to me [i've already commented on these points.] to close his post, he again defends xtoxm, this time with legitimate points [again, i completely agree with him here.] and forwards me as a second possible scum.
next few posts: throws a few questions at RV for being close minded.
27th: after not posting for a few days, he shows up again to say he was busy.
next post: starts out by defending his reasoning on dahill. he criticizes dahill for not doing much scumhunting. i find this point particularly interesting. until this point, he has been hunting dahill, threw a couple comments on me and challenged RV. that's not a spectacular resume. but that doesn't bother me much. what bothers me is that he is criticizing dahill for it.
his later posts continue to forward dahill, call me on my mistakes [which were admittedly stupid], and once asks xtoxm for clarification.

conclusions: when i started this case, i thought i would hit a goldmine, but it turns out, i didn't, and my opinion of charter has gone way up for doing it. there still is some fishy material out there (i don't like how sporadic his early posting was, and i don't like his hypocritical attack on dahill), but there's not enough for a vote right now.

charter: has anything changed for you since yesterday?

[Coriolanus]

Giving the game "a new look"... did anything happen that should've changed my opinion on

you

? .

unless the name of the game was suddenly changed to "determine whether coriolanus is scum", then yes, two townie deaths should force you to analyze things differently in respect to that change, or at least state why the change in circumstance means absolutely nothing in terms of my alignment.

[Coriolanus]

PS: I'd stop with the rhetoric, just makes you look a bit pretentious.

don't give a shit. you'll live.

and by the way, that wasn't a request. i was describing what i would like to see. i wouldn't expect it, because you haven't done anything here for at least a year.

[Coriolanus]

i haven't read your latest post yet, but i'd like to apologize for my comments in 411, which were uncalled for.

[Coriolanus]

yos: why are you suspicious for glork's play?

Unvote
Vote Erratus

mostly placeholder. mostly.

[Coriolanus]

rereading

[Coriolanus]

I never said anything about "lack of contribution". I said I didn't like his contributions, that should make it clear that I'm not attacking him for a lack thereof.

why did you put the word contributions in quotation marks?

Yos, why haven't you posted any scumhunting/votes recently?

where the fuck is pathetric? can we prod that?

[Coriolanus]

oh, it was killed.

[Coriolanus]

Vote dahill

incog: yes.

[Coriolanus]

yeah, that post was a stretch.

[Coriolanus]

also, erratus, what exactly were you trying to convey with those scare quotes? usually, I associate it with sarcasm, but that makes no sense, because you later say that you think yosarian was contributing something. so what was the point?

[Coriolanus]

What did you think that you saw?

i don't think i should say (and honestly, it's not much.)

i like how dahill waffles on the EA/Yos argument, and ends up barely choosing the most popular argument.

this game could really benefit from a wagon right now. i say dahill.

[Coriolanus]

Vote Glork

[Coriolanus]

just hold on.

[Coriolanus]

unvote
vote dahill

my glork vote was an attempt to see what he would look like after a harsh attack, but charter and dahill kind of ruined it.
also, charter is right. dahill, that is not what a misrepresentation is. And even if it was, charter's statement was correct. And failure to "get into the game" is a reason for contentless posts, but not an excuse, and not one that can be independently verified.

i also agree with charter sentiments re: yosarian. i will too switch my vote to him.

i admit i haven't read through the elmo/glork argument, because it's long, but i will soon enough.

[Coriolanus]

in the future please don't write that many words.

[Coriolanus]

okay, i read through the glork/incog argument. it's obnoxious, and i don't think either has a convincing case. if i had to side with someone, though, it would be glork, because it did seem like des was making shit up re: the meta games.

if dahill were to do *anything* at this point separate from defend/flail, i'd consider moving my vote. but he hasn't done anything today, which is consistent with yesterday. i don't know of any side he's taken recently that demonstrates a bit of individuality. he's been the epitome of a waffler in this game.

des' case on yos is strong and is much better than yos' case on EA, which is hypocritical.

[Coriolanus]

He seems a little more sincere

what

[Coriolanus]

i don't understand how you can seem too sincere.

[Coriolanus]

You did a much better job scumhunting than me? I guess you're right, if I was honestly scumhunting I probably would have caught Xtoxm like you did.

This is a great point. Yos is completely wrong in being self-righteous here. You would think being painfully incorrect would be a humbling enough experience, but he's just shrugged it off without even considering how he set back the town.

[Coriolanus]

Prod Tuber

dahill1: 3 (charter, Tuberkulos, Coriolanus)
El Destructo: 2 (Incognito, Glork)
Yosarian2: 2 (Erratus Apathos, El Destructo)
Erratus Apathos: 1 (Yosarian2)

Not Voting: 2 (dahill1, Assmaster)

the two non voters should vote.

everyone else needs to provide a back-up plan.

mine is yosarian. failing that wagon, i'd join EA's before destructo's.

[Coriolanus]

i would not be surprised if EA was scum.

but yeah charter, i think yos got way scummier with dahill's vote. but dahill is definitely the priority here. why isn't he dead yet?

[Coriolanus]

but yeah charter, i think yos got way scummier with dahill's vote.

scummier?

yes.

1. it looks like a bus.
2. since i think yos has an increased chance of being scum if dahill is scum, any scummy action of dahill also indirectly increases the chance of yos being scum
3. it looks a hell of a lot like a bus.

[Coriolanus]

Incognito: El Destructo was in a gray area for a while (I wavered on the Glork argument, which was bad, but it read like a genuine effort) What sold it was the argument on Yosarian, which was well put. A lot of this hinges of Yos' alignment.

I'm going to hold off voting for yosarian until the last minute because I want to hold everyone accountable for not killing off dahill.

[Coriolanus]

that last sentence was terribly written, apologies. would anybody mind if tried that again?

I am not voting for yosarian until the last minute because I want to hold everyone accountable for not lynching dahill today.

[Coriolanus]

as i tried to say before, glork, i agree with you re: EA, but there are a lot of people i could see being scum with yos. you, for instance. that exchange with him was *awkward*, and yos lumping you in his suspect list could be bussing. "well, looks like i'm going to die, better confuse them by including my scumbuddy as a suspect."

it's just a thought. i think there's a much stronger case for dahill being scum with yos (his change of heart, for example), but that's also because i think there's a greater chance of dahill being scum.

[Coriolanus]

Unvote
Vote Yosarian

at least i support this lynch for reasons outside of necessity.

[Coriolanus]

I lose.