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Vote: Pathetricjust in case my super ninja awesome post didn't count.-
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Also, the fact that I only FoSed Yos clearly indicates that I'm not convinced dahill is town.-
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Trust me, an octopus would be FoSing Yos, too.Assmaster wrote:So is an Octopus.
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Part of me wants to know whose alt you are, but most of me doesn't care.-
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Elaborate?Coriolanus wrote:considering the player list, i'm disappointed by the lack of glork death. apparently experience doesn't count for much.-
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That's what I want you to elaborate on.
How does "experience counts for something" translate to "Glork should be dead"? I don't understand that statement at all.-
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Well, I can sort of see scenarios under which Corio would make sense, but I want to hear the words straight from his mouth.Assmaster wrote:
I can think of a couple of ways that make it make sense. Both require peculiar p.o.vs and both are wrong, but they aren't implausible beliefs for someone a bit deluded about a particular point. You seem angrier in some way since you came back, though, so you can correct him.Glork wrote:That's what I want you to elaborate on.
How does "experience counts for something" translate to "Glork should be dead"? I don't understand that statement at all.
In other news, I think I'm entirely too hung up on trying to figure out who these stupid alts are. Ass's post history doesn't give enough to work with, but he's likely a ScumChatter. On a somewhat-related note, I could very easily see Shea alting his way into this game.
Finally, Ether: OMGUS hardly counts as non-arbitrary.
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It was page one of the game. Of course it was a deliberately stupid argument. Do you know what the "random voting stage" is?Corio wrote:experience is praised because a greater experience means a greater ability to hunt scum/whatever. if you're scum, then the experience failed to help. it's a deliberately stupid argument.
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Oh. No, the argument *I* was referring to was my FoS of Yos and subsequent "explanation," which prompted Erratus' switch and that comment.
Obviously there was a major miscommunication, but I think what we're getting at here is "we were both dicking around, neither of our arguments were serious." Correct?-
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Well, after this:
I got confused and thought you were just joking about being Primate because of the Thin_Man/Primate signup thing. First day on the job, I'm a little slow.Assmaster wrote:I don't even know anymore. *sigh*-
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My post was like 95% a joke to begin with, since obviously "Thin Man" and "Primate" are known to be the same person. It'd be like me signing up for a game as Gaspar, or Thok signing up for one as Thok Thok. I didn't actually mean for you to un-sign-up in any way. :/Assmaster wrote:
I was drunk and signed up to spite what I thought was a bit of an unnecessary move by you. I know it annoys you, though, that's why I outed myself once I was a little more sober, just so it was less of a dick move. Still probably shouldn't have joined though. That post was just a premptive response to the inevitable question 'why did you do it in the first place?, that was really dumb'.Glork wrote:Well, after this:
I got confused and thought you were just joking about being Primate because of the Thin_Man/Primate signup thing. First day on the job, I'm a little slow.Assmaster wrote:I don't even know anymore. *sigh*
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That's exactly how I feel. You said "judging from this playerlist..." in one of your posts.dahill1 wrote:but that you seem to know about a lot of the people in this game in general.
So unless you're a raw newbie who happens to have his shit down pretty well and spent some time researching the playerlist before actually diving into the game, you've obviously been around the block before.
Furthermore, you harped on me and went on about my experience in that "Glork should be dead" thing, which I believe was interpreted as you knowing that I have a reputation.-
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I just find it beyond fascinating that Corio seems so vested in protecting his identity as a "non-gimmick."
Also, my comment about researching the playerlist is in direct reference to this:
It implies that you knew coming into this that there were several reputable players, which I don't see the average (or even the above-average) brand-new-player being likely to make anything of.Corio wrote:considering the player list,
That said, I know you're an alt, and you can deny it all you want, but it won't change a damned thing. If I thought that your behavior made you more likely to be scum, I'd be calling for your head right now. But as things stand, I think this is becoming more of a distraction than anything else, so I'd like to drop it and get back to finding scumbaggoes.-
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Where'd you play mafia before Scum? Link to your profile and at least one game, please.
And my vote is exactly where I'd like it to be. Believe it or not, it was neither random nor arbitrary, even as the first post in the game.-
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The vote isn't about not liking them, though you're right in that it has to do with the fact that they're a double-head. It has a real, functional, productive purpose. I'm sure that you and at least Ether know exactly why I have a vested interest in determining Pathetric's alignment.-
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Because I started off the game by voting for them? I haven't even had a chance to prod at their gameplay yet, how can you POSSIBLY accuse me of overreacting?-
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I don't know if this is what Yos means, but I personally have used this grilling of Corio to try to feel out his behavioral and thought processes as much as possible. I've probably gotten more out of these first four pages than most.
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Ass, I think it depends almost entirely on the person. I know I'd have done my homework already if I were a scumbag, but truth be told, I haven't looked at a damned thing. There are multiple reasons for this, none of which I feel are particularly helpful to divulge at this time.-
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It's just two users (in this case, Ether and Patrick) make a single joint account to split time in a game. It was originally used so that people with limited access could still participate in a game with stricter posting requirements. Unfortunately, an increasing number of people seem to be doing it for shits and giggles.Rally Vincent wrote:Could anyone tell me what exactly a double-head does, please? Do they alternate posting on odd/even days or what?
The two "heads" can communicate at any time, and either person can post under any time. They share one role and count as one player.
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It's less effective when you do it to yourself, because we know that vote won't really stick around for very long.
Xotx, do you think we gain information by you putting yourself at L-2 or by somebody else putting you at L-2?-
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Elementary. The odds of there being a Jester are unspeakably minute, which eliminates the most plausible reason for you to keep a vote on yourself.Xtoxm wrote:What makes you think this?
Experience. Skill. Foresight. Hacks. Observation. Intuition. Take your pick, really.Xtox wrote:And what makes you think you know this any better then anyone else's vote?
I didn't ask what you know. I asked what you think. I know you're capable of taking a guess as to which scenario you find to be more helpful. So do it and explain it.I don't know.-
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Xtoxm wrote:I'm just mucking about, it's the random phase.
I think GLork's vote was pretty and opportunistic, I think he was hoping someone would hammer, with the fallback of "I was asking for it".
Unvote Vote Glork
VT btw.
A few things here.Xtoxm wrote:I wouldn't be adversed to hammering someone on page 4.
First, you've already proven one of my earlier points. You put yourself at Lynch -2, and I pointed out that your self-vote wouldn't stay there very long. You questioned me, and I basically replied by saying "been there, seen it." After you continued to be argumentative over nothing, for no reason, I went ahead and put you at Lynch -1, at which point you very promptly removed your vote.
Secondly, you behaved in a deliberately outlandish manner and then jumped me as soon as you had successfully provoked me, which makes me wonder if you were trying to bait somebody into putting you at Lynch -1 so that you'd have a reason to jump them.
Thirdly, the odds of somebody hammering here were pretty slim. Six were voting for you. Based on past experience, I would have been absolutely floored if Pathetric, dahill, or Yos2 had hammered you. And as I already stated, I knew that if things got real, you'd remove your self-vote. So either Tube, Rally, or Erratus would have had to decided to hammer you before you had even posted (without permitting you to claim). Just because you play like a complete donkey doesn't mean that you should expect everyone else to do so.
Fourthly, I feel like there's a small contradiction in the two posts I quoted, but I'm not sure I'll be able to articulate it very well. You expressed that you were "just mucking about" in the random-phase, then go on to say that you personally could have seen yourself hammering somebody if you were in a position to do so. What gets me is that, if you're protown and you could see a player hammering on Page 4, then A) why is it so unreasonable to see a protown player put you at Lynch-1; and B) Why would you put yourself at Lynch-2 to begin with?
I really don't see any reasonable protown justification for the self-vote, especially when coupled with the fact that you were intentionally ignoring my questions (which I still expect you to answer). It seems to me that the much more reasonable explanation is what I mentioned earlier -- that you were trying to bait me by OMGUSing me after being deliberately :nothelpful:. It's like MBLscum, only not nearly as subtle or refined.
In other news, Tuber's recent posts have me feeling much, much better about him. I didn't like the contentless "useless four pages," but he seems to be rectifying that with real contribution.-
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Coriolanus wrote: if he is scum, he'll be easily taken care of later.MAJOR FoS: Coriolanus-
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Interesting point Yos makes against Erratus.
Needless to say, I'm happy with my Xtoxm vote. I feel very "meh" about dahill. And Corio definitely needs to die sooner, rather than later.-
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Do you think that Xtoxm is scum?Glork wrote:Interesting point Yos makes against Erratus.
Needless to say, I'm happy with my Xtoxm vote. I feel very "meh" about dahill. And Corio definitely needs to die sooner, rather than later.
I'll give you two guesses there, champ.
It's a Pot/Kettle thing. FWIW, I had gotten the impression that Yos2 has been involved in the game, so I'm curious to know how you can justify attacking somebody based on "lack of contribution" when you yourself hadn't done anything but a couple of random-votes up until that point.Erratus wrote:What's interesting about it?
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Holy balls, thread explosion. Don't you people have better things to do with your Saturday nights?
Regarding Erratus: Now I understand the subtle difference that he (and Patrick) are trying to make here. Nowever, I do not agree with itat all. "Can't say anything wrong if I don't say anything at all" is what I'm getting out of that, and that really irritates me.
I still think Xtoxm is reasonably likely to be scum, but Corio is pinging major hard right now.
First, I still can't find any protown reason for the "if X is scum, we can lynch them later" comment. Why the fuck would you want to keep a suspected scumbag alive? It really sounds like a way of saying "yeah, he should be scum, but we should lynch elsewhere." He mentions in his original post that "Xtoxm seems harmless," but no scumbag -- no matter how good or bad their play -- is harmless.
Now, he's going ridiclous out-of-his-way to defend Xtoxm. It's interesting that, just after telling me he'd rather hunt for scum than "defending himself over one comment." Yet he just spent an entire page defending Xtoxm, rathar than hunting scum. Now granted, there are some differences there (namely, that there is more substance behind the Xtoxm wagon than there was behind my FoS of him).
Thirdly, I actually thought exactly what dahill thought about the whole "post restriction" comment... I'll just QFT Post 185 here.
I will say that in spite of Yos's known "claimed vanilla townies should die" theory (something with which I still disagree, by the way), I dislike his "safe lynch" comment regarding Xtoxm. It feels like an underhanded way of trying to get fence-sitters to just finish him off.
And finally, back to Corio:
This is at least the second time you've preached about "having better things to do," yetCoriolanus wrote:because i believe we have better things to do than to run up xtoxm's wagon again and try for a lynch. perhaps i should have said "right now"; this day still has some juice, and if we're going to sacrifice it for xotxm wagon 2, i think it's a real shame. again, a xtoxm lynch is not simply going to go away. but i don't think it will be a cipher at all.. You preach about wanting to hunt scum, then just sit around trying to derail a very good bandwagon. You preach about wanting to "get more out of the day," yet I don't see you actively promoting further discussion.I DON'T SEE YOU DOING THESE "THINGS" THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
All I'm seeing from Corio is a lot of hand-waving. It's as if, by swearing a bunch and making generalizations about "what the town should be doing," he can look like a big player in the game. But if you look at what he's actually done, it's been VERY little. I'm willing to set aside the whole "alt or not" discussion, because I pretty much instigated it, but if you get right down to it, his real-time contributions to the game have amounted to a vote on dahill for sheeping, and now defending Xtox.
Unvote, Vote: Corio
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Yos and Prim, you should vote for Corio. The Corio wagon (yea, it's gonna be a wagon) has punch and pie, and we will be holding a raffle for a BIG SCREEN TV later on!!!-
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Well the point I'm getting that is that the point of a "safe lynch" in no way makes him any more likely to be scum, which should be far and away the primary reason somebody votes to lynch. I don't think it's "true and valid in this case," because I think that it's only true and valid in a VERY small percentage of cases, and "D1 claimed townie" does NOT fall into that category.-
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No, it's not a strong supporting reason. It is a terrible one.-
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My contention is with the fact that you seem to be arguing that there are "more and better things to be done," but I hardly see you instigating discussion. I just looked over all of your posts in the game and found confirmation of this. Note that I'm omitting the random phase (i.e., the 1.5 or so pages -- basically, your first three posts).Coriolanus wrote:
i have done more than simply write "vote dahill: for sheeping." but even if it was, i want to know how it isglork wrote:but if you get right down to it, his real-time contributions to the game have amounted to a vote on dahill for sheeping, and now defending Xtox.with what i've been saying a townie should do. because here lies your argument: that i've been swaggering as a cover. so you've actually got to prove that assertion.inconsistent
You have interacted at reasonable lengths with me, dahill, xtoxm, and Yosarian2.
You have addresssed Tuberkulos and Erratus exactly once.
Unless I missed something, you have not ONCE mentioned or talked with Charter, Vincent, Incog, Pathetric, or Ass.
I am a firm believer that if you're going to ask for more discussion, more "juice," that you actually engage with other players. Note that I have instigated three discussions, that I'm actuallyworkingto get my hands dirty and actively and continually provoke fruitful debate. You seem to want everyone to do this, but you don't seem especially willing to practice what you preach.
I want to see you go out on a limb. I want to see some new inquiries from you. I do not believe that you are content to just sit around and defend a wagon and tell the rest of the town to do more while not helping them to do more.
The phrase "oratorical gymnastics" made me lol, but I absolutely take issue with your assertion that "that's not what a fucking townie does."Coriolanus wrote:i could also engage in oratorical gymnastics. but i'm not going to, because that's not what a fucking townie does.
This post, this post, this post from this game are all good examples of me using rhetoric as a tool when protown. If you are dissatisfied with this, I can pull as many examples as you want until you're satisfied.
Point is, your flat assertion that "townies don't do X" is wrong. And I'm not saying this to get a point across to anybody but YOU. This is how I play at times, and you're going to have to deal with it. End of story. So don't go telling me that verbosity isn't useful to a protown player, because I guarantee you, you are DEAD wrong in that regard.
Who is this directed at, and where did that person refer to the wagon as "useless"? Nowhere between pages 6 and 9 was that word ever used, aside from your post. For someone who just bitched to me about "oratorical gymnastics," you have chosen your misquote rather poorly.Coriolanus wrote:also, it's really stupid to call arguing against a wagon "useless".-
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That's exactly the point I'm trying to MAKE, Patrick. Corio seems to want to "get more out of the day," butj for the time he's spent in this thread, his actual, real-time scumhunting has been minimal, IMO.Pathetric wrote:which makes no sense, why can't Corio have been doing both those things?-
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Also, Ether, don't use Gold anymore. It is extremely difficult to read in mafsepia, and nigh-impossible in mafTigers.-
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It feels like Corio was going too far continuing his whole "dahill sheeping" thing (which, by the way, I don't find particularly abnormal for dahill), but fell upon "no, joke" when dahill pointed out the timestamps. It seemed insincere to me.Patrick wrote:I'd also like to know what's scummy about this.
That's still a terrible idea. You're going to let one criminal run amok for a while longer because there MIGHT be another criminal elsewhere?Coriolanus wrote:christmas drama is flaring up, so let me just respond to one thing:
i have major issues with this analogy, in that the town doesn't use the same methods a police force would. let me try to use it anyway:tuber wrote:Coriolanus got quite worked up in the alt-or-not discussion, but it's nothing that interests me. I don't understand his logic about letting Xtoxm live through the day if he is scum.
"Officer, we have reports on a violent man at Ceasars Palace."
"Okay, but let's go the Mirage instead."
"But Officer..."
"No butts! Let's go to the Mirage. Maybe there is a criminal there too?"
Makes no sense to me at all.
"Officer, we have reports on a violent man at Ceasars Palace."
"Okay, but let's also go the Mirage. There seems evidence that there is violent activity over there that may be connected."
"But Officer... Can't we put that criminal off until tomorrow? This one's easier."
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I want to elaborate more on this, because apparently I didn't make myself clear enough, and because the more I think about it, the more it bothers me that both Ether and Patrick are failing to see what is wrong with Corio here.Glork wrote:
That's exactly the point I'm trying to MAKE, Patrick. Corio seems to want to "get more out of the day," butj for the time he's spent in this thread, his actual, real-time scumhunting has been minimal, IMO.Pathetric wrote:which makes no sense, why can't Corio have been doing both those things?
We'll start here:
Here, Corio passes on making discussion, because he is not "in the buisness of... defending himself." He would rather "hunt scum."Coriolanus wrote:
don't give a shit, sorry. i meant what i said. if you think that's worth voting me for, just fucking do it, but i'm in the business of scumhunting not defending myself over one comment.Glork wrote:
Corio, would you care to respond to my FoS?
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Well, that's not exactly scumhunting...Coriolanus wrote:the new xtoxm wagon is made up of stupid.
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Okay, so he's indicating that he wants the day to continue. Tell me, Patrick, Ether... has he offered a SINGLE word that would contribute to his "business of scumhunting" at this point? No.Coriolanus wrote:Yosarian wrote:Why is that?
i'm starting to believe this is a post restrictiondahill wrote:why is xtoxm not a good lynch?
because i think his reactions, while being very bad, seem obviously townie to me, and as i said before there is absolutely no reason to rehash this wagon unless you genuinely want xtoxm dead today. xtoxm is a dead end unless you want the day to end now.
Another post, another missed opportunity to actively hunt for scum.Coriolanus (imbedded quote tag fixed by me) wrote:
this newest one, that came after the last.Yosarian wrote:Also, what "new" xtoxm wagon?
More of the same...Coriolanus wrote:it was a joke.
Again, he makes a post to defend Xtoxm. But he couldn't be arsed to defendCoriolanus wrote:how could that possibly be a good reason to lynch him? you lynch someone for being anti-town because they would do more damage to the town than allowing them to live. xtoxm can't possibly do anything to further the damage done by the actions you cite, so there has to be a reason separate from the "anti-town" argument.himselfearlier, and he's still not offering up anything to FIND AND CATCH SCUM.
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More defense of Xtoxm, more failure to hunt for scum.Coriolanus wrote:
unless you can prove that the scum are more likely to claim vanilla than town are, this is basically just pulled out of your ass.Yosarian2 wrote:Town should never claim vanillia, at all, but scum tend to want to claim vanillia, so it's a scum tell.
also, you're using "scummy" now. why did you even use anti town before? what function did that term have?
exactly why i think he shouldn't be lynched today (although when i tried to verbalize that before glork shit his pretty little panties). he's got absolutely no information benefit; he's a sinkhole. so unless you've got a great reason for why he's scum, i see no reason to lead a bandwagon on him now. unless, of course, you're planning on getting him lynched. which is something that i really don't foresee unless xtoxm does something monumentally stupid.Plus, he's a safe lynch now that he's a claimed vanillia (he's either a vanillia or a scum), and if he gets lynched no one else has to claim, which protects the power roles.
And the smoking gun, if you will:
Better things to do than to run him up and try for a lynch.Coriolanus wrote:because i believe we have better things to do than to run up xtoxm's wagon again and try for a lynch. perhaps i should have said "right now"; this day still has some juice, and if we're going to sacrifice it for xotxm wagon 2, i think it's a real shame. again, a xtoxm lynch is not simply going to go away. but i don't think it will be a cipher at all.
Yet Corio just madeSEVENposts between his "I'm in the business of scumhunting" and this one in which he not ONCE mentioned anything other than "lynching Xtoxm is bad." Not ONCE did he say "hey, let's hear more from Charter." Not ONCE did he apply more pressure to dahill. Not ONCE did he say "I could also vote for X or Y." Not ONCE did he provide an alternative to Xtoxm.
Here he takes a shot at meta... again, no scumhunting.Coriolanus wrote:
i agree. so why use them?EA wrote:Has anything?
At this point I make my case against him, explaining that all he's doing is defending Xtoxm and posting nothing but FLUFF about scumhunting without ACTUALLY SCUMHUNTING.
Here is his response:
"Blah blah, you're just spewing words, I'm looking for scum." So, what, making one post to explain your stance on Dahill, then a couple of throwaway posts about Dahill is "finding scum"? You seem to have plenty of time to defend Xtoxm, so why haven't you bothered to explore more than ONE person whom you believe to be scummy?Coriolanus wrote:
thanks for making me read two paragraphs. i guess writing superfluous sentences really makes the bullshit seem more official.Glork wrote:This is at least the second time you've preached about "having better things to do," yet.I DON'T SEE YOU DOING THESE "THINGS" THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
at the beginning of the game, i laid out two things a player could do: start a wagon or join one. i joined one. i've stated my reasoning for joining said wagon. better yet, i've responded to arguments to the contrary, and i commented on another wagon that seems to be gaining popularity.
i could also engage in oratorical gymnastics. but i'm not going to, because that's not what a fucking townie does. i might as well take pictures of me dancing a tango on my desk. i'm actually going to focus on the game and do what i think a townie does.
I didn't have a problem with him defending Xtoxm, aside from the fact that I found both Xtoxm to be scummy, but when he says he wants to "get more out of the day" and that he's "in the business of hunting scum" but spends seven posts not hunting scum, that bothers me. I'm honestly stunned that both of you, Ether/Patrick, can feel so strongly against this. Corio was all bark and no bite, and it wasn't until I dragged him kicking and screaming back into the limelight that he actually followed up on this whole "I think we need to find scum" thing.-
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No, I sometimes read in reverse, so to speak, when catching up on posts, and the Pathetric transgression was something I had to respond to immediately.Corio wrote:i'm glad glork has deemed me unworthy of responding to the things i actually said. or maybe he's so busy typing his own posts he forgot to read mine.
But how does one distinguish between "honest mistake" and "scummy"? Why should I believe in your intent? That's why I've spent so much time purusing this, because I want to either confirm or debunk my suspicions.Corio wrote:i do suffer from tunnel vision. and maybe you're right; maybe i haven't engaged enough or have been aggressive enough. but i think that's an indication of a mistake, and not of being scummy. because the intent is certainly there.
I hate this so much. There is ZERO reason that you can't respond to me and say something like "man, Charter really needs to post more, it looks like he's just sliding by without doing much." (Incidentally, Charter -- I really do want to hear more from you.) Take, for example, Post 205 where yes, I spend most of my time fleshing out my case on you, but I also discuss things I don't like about Erratus and about Yos2, and I confirm that I'm still willing to go for an Xtox lynch if necessary. It's just that, if you say you're "focused on scumhunting," and you want the town to shake and move, then dammit, I expect you to be a shaker and a mover.Corio wrote:to be honest, you haven't given me much of a chance to engage anybody.
I was assuming you meant "Mirage = Dahill" here. Of course there's another criminal SOMEWHERE, but your vote is sitting on Dahill, so I am assuming that's the "other place" you want us to look. And Dahill "might or might not" be a criminal. Am I mistaken?Corio wrote:glork, THERE IS ANOTHER CRIMINAL. no "might" bullshit. there is. we know this, because the game hinges on there BEING another criminal (i can make capitals things too!). so i figure we might as well try to spend the day wisely, instead of lazily bumbling through what i consider to be a poorly conceived lynch.-
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I feel like I've won this game already.Simenon wrote:ugh, a detailed pbpa. i'm not going to get through it before christmas. so may i just respond to one charge:
you act as if all of those pages covered a huge length of time. it happened in two or three days. i've got shit going on. why can't you understand that i'm not going to pick through the game? when i said give me time, i didn't mean time expressed in page numbers, meant time expressed in, well shit, actualtime.why don't you apply any of these rigorous standards to anybody else? is it because i took away attention from your little wagon?-
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EBWOP: That was quoting Sim posting, not the content of his post. I haven't actually read the content of his post yet.-
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Simple. Because you're the one who seemed too concerned with "scumhunting" to defend yourself against a point that I made.Sim wrote:why don't you apply any of these rigorous standards to anybody else? is it because i took away attention from your little wagon?
Patrick: I see the point you're making, but I just hadn't seen it that way. It still reads more "defend Xtox" than "attack Yos" to me.-
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Ether, have you been revealed as scum (via death or end-of-game) in any games since I left the site?-
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Sim = Corio, for those keeping score at home.Xtoxm wrote:Is Sim an alt of someone? He's not in this game.-
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Yeah, I'm working out the same thing. At least I have something to meta now. I'm thinking of going back to look at Communique if I have some time during the holidays.-
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Blah blah, on vacation, filler post.
Corio or Xtox are def the play today.-
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EBWOP: I'm still not really sure why there's a wagon on dahill -- it seems like the four votes currently on him are for things that I haven't thought to be a particularly big deal, though maybe I've just been tunnel-visioned on the two likely scumbaggoes. I'll check out dahill soon (as in, over N1 probably) and get back to you with a verdict.-
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That's probably because "unexplained votes can be awesome/useful" and "unexplained votes can be genuinely scummy" areEther wrote:I'm taken aback by the number of people who dismiss Dahill's scumminess without acknowledging this contradiction at alFARfrom mutually exclusive. I don't see a contradiction here, though I would be interested to hear why dahill found Tuber's vote to be scummy in that particular instance.-
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Furthemore, there is a distinct difference between "accusing X of being scum for no reason" and "voting for X without giving a reason." Again, I'll leave it up to dahill to justify that difference, but I think your attempt to meta this is entirely wrong.-
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Well, for one it shows how little I've paid attention to this whole dahill thing. I actually remember reading your linked "Terrible" post, and I hadPathetric wrote:Glork: the tone of "seemingly no reason" makes me think differently. What's more, Dahill's defense (reiterated here) doesn't correspond with yours. It was basically "I quoted Glork for the hell of it but I don't actually agree with him; I do find unexplained votes scummy." (Doublechecking this, he said that this wasn't the first time. I'll want the most recent link to this behavior.) What do you think about this defense?assumedthat it linked back to dahill's prior unexplained vote without bothering to click on the link. In retrospect, I suppose that's why I never understood your ill will towards him.
That said, having known dahill from scumchat and having met him in person, you're saying you still find it unreasonable to believe that he quoted me to debunk the "unexplained votes suck" comment for the lulz?
(And I still maintain that there's a p vast difference between them being generally disliked and them being scummy, but this is probably getting off-track. Point is, I think you're looking for something that just isn't there.)-
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Incidentally, if you had an issue with dahill'sresponseto your contradiction, then why did you ask us about the contradiction itself to begin with?-
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I want Ether to answer me first.
I am supposed to be traveling throughout most of the day tomorrow, but I will hammer from my phone later tonight if necessary.-
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When she first brought it up, she seemed to be trying to use the "contradiction" as a sticking point to me and Yos, rather than Dahill's response to said contradiction. If Dahill already responded to it and the reason she is upset is due to the response, why is she asking us about the contradiction instead of asking us about hill's response?Patrick wrote:I don't really understand Glork's question to Ether; hopefully she will.
I will also point out that Xtoxm's apathy towards his apparent lynch reads MUCH more scum than town. If he were genuinely town and he were genuinely "leaning scum" on Dahill, he would be voting Dahill instead of me. Xtox + Corio + Pathetric + Tuber would be six on Dahill, and hill would be the lynch of the day.-
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EBWOP:
I find it believable, and I was surprised you find it to be unreasonable, though now it appears as though you find it bad because he was "flaily" and still contradictory. Suffice to say, Ether, I don't understand what you're getting at all.Glork wrote:That said, having known dahill from scumchat and having met him in person, you're saying you still find it unreasonable to believe that he quoted me to debunk the "unexplained votes suck" comment for the lulz?
Anyway, Xtox is obv the play of the day, Dahill is probably the convenient distraction, which would be serious minus points for both Erratus and Pathetric.
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Wait, I *REALLY* don't get what you're saying, and now I wished I hadn't hammered (except for the fact that I'm leaving in like five minutes and didn't want to chance forgetting to hammer later).
You say you don't like the Tubervote, presumably because it was contradictory to the post he made in MD.
Even though Hill provided an explanation for his other post which you say you find to be "extremely easy to believe," you consider the defense to be flimsy and a continuation of the afore-mentioned "contradiction."
This looks like an argument based off of a flawed assumption to me, because the only way you see Hill as being scummy is if he's being contradictory, and the only way you can see him being contradictory is if you reject his explanation (on the assumption that he is scummy/contradictory?).
Can you explain, start-to-finish, your entire train of thought from when you first disliked his vote, why you disliked it to begin with, why you don't like his response, and how you can find him to be contradictory in spite of accepting his response as "perfectly believable"?-
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