Mini 707: Cops and Robbers Mafia (Game Over)

[Mizzy]

If he's the scummiest player, you shouldn't let him off because he's "lurking"

So what, we should lynch a lurker when we could get him replaced if he is actually gone?.

If he's the scummiest player, yes.

Sorry, but that's not the best course of action in my book. Scummiest or no, lynching someone who isn't there to defend themselves is an extremely poor play and 9 times out of 10, it helps the scum more than it helps the town. The better option is to replace someone who isn't playing and see if the new player in the role can give us more information.

[corporate]

^ agreed

[Empking]

You made a replace or lynch dichotomy. 9/10 in a game with 1 kill N0, not lynching and just replacing will help the scum.

[corporate]

unless hes town.

who isnt caring about this game, hence looking scummy. needing to be replaced?

[crywolf20084]

Okay! My other example of leading the town (In context) turns out to be scum.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0 Bah Finally finished. DOubt you have time to read a 50 page game though.

[Green Crayons]

Not caring about the game isn't the case being made against Simpor as to why he looks scummy.

If there's a player who is scummy and is lurking, which is independent of the claims for why he's scummy, the lurking should not exempt that player from a lynch. Especially so if this player is admittedly the scummiest out of the whole player base.

Otherwise, scum who come under suspicion should just lurk and get a free pass.

[Mizzy]

You made a replace or lynch dichotomy. 9/10 in a game with 1 kill N0, not lynching and just replacing will help the scum.

How? How will just replacing help the scum? The only way it helps the scum is if he IS scum, and the odds of that, just looking at the numbers, are much worse than the odds of him being town.

Longer days and more information are almost always better for the town.

[crywolf20084]

You made a replace or lynch dichotomy. 9/10 in a game with 1 kill N0, not lynching and just replacing will help the scum.

How? How will just replacing help the scum? The only way it helps the scum is if he IS scum, and the odds of that, just looking at the numbers, are much worse than the odds of him being town.

Longer days and more information are almost always better for the town.

QFT

[Empking]

Nobody was talking about day length. Also, you're presuming we see people as scummy randomly.

[crywolf20084]

Edit/Add-on: I'm finally done with my final for English so I'll be catching up tonight and tomorrow before I go to work.

[Mizzy]

Not caring about the game isn't the case being made against Simpor as to why he looks scummy.

If there's a player who is scummy and is lurking, which is independent of the claims for why he's scummy, the lurking should not exempt that player from a lynch. Especially so if this player is admittedly the scummiest out of the whole player base.

Otherwise, scum who come under suspicion should just lurk and get a free pass.

It would only work so long, though. The thing is, the town should never allow lurking at all, but if we lynched all lurkers, town would nearly never win.

If Sim had not come back from lurking, I would have called for his replacement. But as you guys can see, he replied and pulled some more scummy crap. That act has completely nulled any pass I might have given him. But lynch first, ask questions later, is not a good way to do things.

[Empking]

Nobody is taking about Lynch All Lurkers. We're talking about Don't Let Scummy People Off Because They're Lurking.

[Green Crayons]

But lynch first, ask questions later, is not a good way to do things.

I think you successfully completely mischaracterized the situation we're in.

Please reread what I wrote.

Not caring about the game isn't the case being made against Simpor as to why he looks scummy.

If there's a player who is scummy and is lurking,

which is independent of the claims for why he's scummy

, the lurking should not exempt that player from a lynch. Especially so if this player is admittedly the scummiest out of the whole player base.

Otherwise, scum who come under suspicion should just lurk and get a free pass.

And, my goodness. You're making me agree with Empking. I feel all dirty.

[Mizzy]

Nobody is taking about Lynch All Lurkers. We're talking about Don't Let Scummy People Off Because They're Lurking.

And I'm honestly not sure why, it's pure game philosophy and there's a better place for discussing that in these forums than here.

[Mizzy]

I'm not really disagreeing with you, Green, I'm just pointing out that Emp is harping on an issue that isn't even really an issue. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that he feels I should not be giving Simp a free pass, which I am not doing. I would have if he completely disappeared from the game without an explanation as to why because conjecturing the why would have been pure WIFOM and getting a replacement in that situation would have been better. But since he stopped lurking when I posted what I did, he nullified that potential for that pass.

In short, Emp needs to stop whining.

[corporate]

And, my goodness. You're making me agree with Empking. I feel all dirty.

lololol

In short, Emp needs to stop whining.

agreed. if he didnt come back i would say replace over lynch, but now he came back it proved lurking, looks scummy and a lynch is acceptable now. hes not my prefered lynch, but its still acceptable. where as if he didnt respond we would be hurting, not knowing if he was town who didnt give a fuck or not.

[Empking]

In short, Emp needs to stop whining.

If you're town your beliefs will completely screw us over if you get to LyoL.

[Simpor]

So I'm at the point where when I post it looks scummy, if I don't post I'm scummy.

voting for someone else makes me scummy.

hmmm and of course this post makes me more scummy.

[corporate]

thats how it works simp, when youre in the spotlight you cant win for losing.

ive been there, thats why im not voting for you..... yet.

[Fuzzyman]

... So, you're not voting because you sympathise with his inability to act townish?

[corporate]

no fuzzy, my #1 reason is because there are people who i feel are scummier then him. i.e. you

however, i am not quick to change my vote to him after his boo boo from lurking, because there are times when people get determined that your scum. it gets frustrating and you kinda do wanna say fuck it, and back off a bit. so i guess i CAN sympathize a bit. but thats not my main reason.

[charter]

Vote Count:

Fuzzyman - 2 (q21, Simpor)

Simpor - 4 (Green Crayons, Patrick, Ether, Mizzy)

corporate - 3 (Tisp, crywolf20084, Fuzzyman)
Green Crayons - 1 (Empking)

Not Voting: (1)

corporate

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Tisp has asked to be replaced, getting on that.

[Mizzy]

In short, Emp needs to stop whining.

If you're town your beliefs will completely screw us over if you get to LyoL.

Did I say that I feel that way for lylo, too? No, I didn't. My statements were general but not all-encompassing. Nor did you ask. But, of course, you can keep up with the distraction if it makes you sleep better at night.

[corporate]

charter, my vote is on fuzzy

[Ether]

This day has now officially gone on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long.