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[Titus]

Ok, time to get hard data in.

[Titus]

Are the cop checks 100% confirmed.

I don't like a VCA here but it feels required.

[Titus]

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(3):

Flavor Leaf, NorwegianboyEE, MikhailTal

Dunnstral(3):

Sakura Hana, Firebringer, Alisae

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Takutai

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse, Sakura Hana, Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Takutai

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Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

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[Titus]

Votecount 1.4

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(3):

Flavor Leaf,

NorwegianboyEE,

MikhailTal

Dunnstral(3):

Sakura Hana,

Firebringer, Alisae

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao

, Dunnstral,

Takutai

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MikhailTal (2):

JasonWazza, osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse,

Sakura Hana,

Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Not Voting (3):

Hu Tao,

Dunnstral,

Takutai

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Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE,

Saukura Hana, JasonWazza,

Firebringer, Alisae,

MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral,

Takutai

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[Titus]

I'm wanting a Dunn or Alisae flip atm

[Titus]

Random Nurse is only now switching to fire when they are pretty much already outted

I am not seeing how Titus is looking at that VCA and deciding that I am the one that needs to die. It feels fake.

I didn't even say you were the one that needed to die. I said I wanted you

or

Alisae. My theory is that you are both partnered together.

Alisae with Firebringer, while possible makes little sense. Dunn Alisae Fire is impossible given the VCs.

[Titus]

It’s between Random Nurse, Firebringer, Titus and Dunnstral for me.
Feel like it’s pretty likely Fire is maf. Question becomes which is the town in those 4 slots.

Random and Firebringer isn't likely SvS. Someone's going for the win there.

[Titus]

Where did that theory come from?

The VCs, particularly the Dunn wagon. There's no reason for multiple scum to bus a partner with so many options on town. (Dunn, Fire, Alisae not the answer) Scum also doubling onto a misfade makes little sense (Dunn town, Fire Alisae team).

This means Fire Alisae not likely a team.

Alisae sheeping Fire gives me more pocket vibes. Limping onto a partner (Dunn) and bailing as soon as the pocket does makes sense.

[Titus]

@Dunn, PoE.

If we suppose that you're town as well, then we'd have to suppose that two scum were buddying on wagons which is an assumption I don't make when there's plenty of other options.

[Titus]

I think it's Dunnstral Alisae Random here

[Titus]

@Dunn, PoE.

If we suppose that you're town as well, then we'd have to suppose that two scum were buddying on wagons which is an assumption I don't make when there's plenty of other options.

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Takutai

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HAMMER

:

Flavor Leaf

, Dunnstral, Roden,

bob3141

, Alisae, Firebringer!

Random Nurse (2):

sheepsaysmeep, Hu Tao

Hu Tao

(2):

NorwegianboyEE

, Random Nurse

Roden (1):

Takutai

Not Voting (0).

notes

• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

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There's no scum voting next to each other in a Dunn Alisae Random world.

[Titus]

For your solve you would have Alisae and I buddying on wagons on days 2 and 3, which you just said you don't like to assume that to be the case.

The context in the last VC has no other wagon and functioned akin to a guilty since FL had given up.

[Titus]

See 4567.

Ok, Fire, are you here?

I'm never convincing scum to claim scum here.

[Titus]

I am watching anime. Whats up

What do you think of my solve? Also, are votes locked?

[Titus]

Mod are votes locked in elo?

[Titus]

I am watching anime. Whats up

What do you think of my solve? Also, are votes locked?

Its the same solve i have. Votes aren't locked here but we are in ELO. I am not in any rush to vote right now but if i felt like voting it owuld be dunny boi or aisa

Aisa aka Alisae isn't a great vote strategically. NorwegianboyEE never votes there without proof given his last statements. We don't need to force that anyway. Either Random or Dunn is fine. I'd be willing to be leashed to either one.

If we get Dunn and Random dead, scum have to shoot the cop clears. That leaves us two and Aisa anyway. That's supposing you fail every single protection. You pass a protection, it's gg.

There's no point in forcing Aisa, when we can work with NorwegianboyEE.

[Titus]

I have not been able to work with Norwee at all this game

i am actually fairly confident that if somehow this game became a me/aisa/norwee game that Norwee always votes me out.
So like....if we want to talk strategically, us elimming other scum here just delays the inevitable.

I would presume that a NorwegianboyEE that is conftown and lives over someone else would ask why. In that world, I died before him. I'm a stubborn bitch. Scum wouldn't shoot me if I was wrong.

[Titus]

How is it possible for you to die before Norwe without the game ending?

You shoot me and not him.

[Titus]

This is technically elo. We should massclaim but for our "conftowns". There's a theoretical chance they aren't but we pretty much lose in that world. I am perfectly down for massclaim. Doubly so given the pushback.

[Titus]

I’m thinking the lulz thing to do here would be to lim RN and if it flips scum then Fire can bodyguard me and if they fail a third time we all laugh.

I like this plan.

Oh I am a VT for the record.

[Titus]

I’m thinking the lulz thing to do here would be to lim RN and if it flips scum then Fire can bodyguard me and if they fail a third time we all laugh.

I have my prediction about what happens tonight, but I'm okay with that buying time.

Playing 3d chess with evil is fun. I can gloat because they can't kill me.

[Titus]

Oh while I'm at it NorwegianboyEE. If it was smart, I would fight you on your Alisae townread, but it isn't. We need one scum today. Let them fight amongst each other to survive.

[Titus]

Hmm so Fire and Titus both townread each other and think scum is in Aisa?

Interesting…Interesting… *Scribbles in notepad

Yup. Engage me please.

[Titus]

I’m thinking the lulz thing to do here would be to lim RN and if it flips scum then Fire can bodyguard me and if they fail a third time we all laugh.

Don't forget that Hu Tao is also alive and confirmed town.

Exactly.

Hu Tao + NorwegianboyEE + Firebringer + Titus

Do you think Random is town? Are you fine with a Random lim? An Aliase lim? You can't have both as town. Pick one to bus.

[Titus]

I've made it clear I believe Random Nurse is mafia

Then vote. I dare you.

[Titus]

I am not going to do that

Why not?

[Titus]

Is it because you don't really want Random dead? Is it because you're secretly hoping that a conftown votes Firebringer so you can hammer?

[Titus]

Titus, how is catching up on the game going? Like, how much of it have you been able to read?

I've read the fact of cop innos and the VCs. Then I'm using interactions.

[Titus]

Dunn, what’s making you think me town here?

There are stronger reasons to scumread the other three.

Firebringer's role claim seems unlikely to me. They claimed bodyguard but their night 1 protect and night 3 protect both mysteriously failed. I find a 2-shot strongman to be overkill for a bodyguard and a roleblocker would have to target Firebringer night 1 while he coincidentally attempted to bodyguard the night kill, which is pretty unlikely and it is more likely that they are simply lying about their role.

Random Nurse only pushes one person at a time like I said. And they're really throwing their vote around. Look at their last ~6 posts and they've voted hu tao, flavor leaf, and now firebringer, all on shoddy reasoning. And we know two of those are town now. And the firebringer vote just feels like a bus. Or rather, why are they so eager to vote when it is elo and they don't seem to have any other suspects or even townreads.

Titus was the Roden slot, and yesterday while Flavor leaf was being pushed both Roden and Firebringer started to angle towards your slot Aisa as being mafia. This felt like posturing for the next day rather than townie reconsideration to me. Roden and Random Nurse both suddenly offered very little while Flavor leaf was being voted out yesterday. Today Titus is in the slot and I feel they are putting on a show rather than trying to reach understanding. Their read on me is apparently just poe and yet they are acting like they have a confident scumread on me. Even when they have been shown wrong in their reasoning they deflect it to avoid changing their stance. Feels very scummy to me.

Your slot isn't squeaky clean; Alisae has pushed several town this game. That said I do agree with where their reads ended up - they were generally thinking firebringer + roden yesterday for living players.

You're straight up against massclaim. Town would be woefully underpowered without a protective role. Yet, you're pushing Firebringer and wanting to deny a massclaim. There are a multitude of mechanical reasons why such a setup could happen. Could Fire be scum? Sure. I doubt it though and he's not the play today.

Random Nurse and Firebringer are almost never SvS. You go through Random's recent vote history of always voting town and yet you propose scum Random literally busses in elo because ??? And you won't vote Random because???

You gripe that I'm not coming to an "understanding". The only understanding that I need to come to is to get one scumread eliminated by any fair and ethical means necessary. I don't need to "understand" you as long as he votes scum today.

And here again, you post doubt on Aisa/Alisae with no attempt towards resolution.

We need one scum dead today. Not the entire solve, although it would be helpful.

[Titus]

Titus is definitely exaggerating my stance with mass claim. I'm the one who initially suggested we do so, then changed my mind on a new day based on new information. Even still, I believe I said I was still fine with a mass claim today if Hu Tao/NorwegiantBoy wanted to do that, but that I felt it was better to simply eliminate Fire since I believed that would happen either way.

Saying Fire is not the play due to role is silly. That's the reason we didn't consider them

yesterday

. And he didn't protect Bob, which is the reason we were going to vote them out today. It's elo now, continuing to push that we need to hold off based on them using their role is silly.

This is absolutely misrepping what I said. The vote counts acted like a guilty. I explained that. I look at counterwagons.

Second, I don't believe Fire can necessarily use his role. His role is just necessary in the setup unless there is another PR. Masons (two conftown) plus a protective is balanced. Here, due to presumably good cop play, we have 3 and a protective.

Lastly, Random is 100% the correct play. There's no effort there. I've played this particular way to force out that Dunn is aligned with Aisa socially. This will set up a tomorrow of me and Fire v Aisa and Dunn. That will settle the marbles.

As for the reason my vote was less important than Dunn's is because I made my solve clear. I wanted to lock in Dunn to his perspective.

Now that we have Dunn and Aisa essentially claiming aligned, we can get the secure Random flip whenever the conftown are ready.

[Titus]

Conftown People, please respond to me. I did join this game to shake it up and give us a clear path to win. I feel like I've done that if I am believed. Yet, I feel like you aren't acknowledging what the situation is.

It's pretty obvious that Random is scum. The only way I would consider otherwise is with a massclaim.

[Titus]

It feels like we're all waiting on each other.

[Titus]

Let's at least finish the massclaim.

[Titus]

Can you knock off the pride EE? Take the "bus" on Random. The game is weak as fuck if Fire is scum. Or finish massclaim and get proof he's town. I get you may not respect vca but Dunn and Random are obvious scum here.

[Titus]

Ooh norwee is there a slot of the three you scumread the most or you would start from to eliminate?

I feel like RN could be the safest vote, but Fire would be the strategic scumflip we gain the most from.

We lose if we flip Fire so no.

[Titus]

I would never vote Aisa over Fire so if i die tonight then scum prob wants to angle Aisa as a mislim to some other more easily persuadable slots.

So ur saying I shouldn't guard u. Got it

No. Guarding him is still good. If you die, he can't miseliminate you. Realistically, it's a 50/50 chance of picking the right target unless scum have a full roleblocker.

[Titus]

Ok. Let's finish the massclaim now

[Titus]

I think we still no eliminate here still despite agreeing. To confirm, I have a question.

Mod: How would you resolve it if town no limmed and then scum no killed?

[Titus]

Very serious rabbit.

I am glad you agree but let's go step by step. I feel better about Dunn being scum. Let's not rush.

[Titus]

So we are unfortunately in the situation where we have to vote first.

VOTE: Dunn

[Titus]

Actually it’s becoming obvious that Fire and Aisa aren’t teamed so that makes Dunnstral the natural choice.
We can solve between Fire/Aisa tommorow after another scum is down.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Just as I was breathing a sigh of relief
Why not Titus?

From your perspective, you should have doubts on me being scum. I'm clearly pushing the scumread I am more confident in. In a Titus/Dunn or Titus/Fire world, there's no point in pulling NorwegianboyEE off of you.

[Titus]

For the record, I still think Fire is town but I'm not as certain. Scum will be forced to take a risk tonight (presuming we hit scum) because no killing gives us a miselimination to work with.

[Titus]

This great detective will defeat bad villains like you!

How do you manage to sound scummy as conftown?

[Titus]

This great detective will defeat bad villains like you!

How do you manage to sound scummy as conftown?

Because it’s the only way i get to have fun when the threat of misececution isn’t there anymore.

Fair. Mind games with me are welcome as long as they aren't insults on a personal level (you're being dumb is fine, you are dumb is not).

[Titus]

If scum was Fire/Aisa they would have quickhammered by now.

My theory is correct.
Scum is either Dunn/Fire or Dunn/Aisa

When did you drop me as scum?

[Titus]

I'm honestly starting to doubt myself a lot here. Both Fire and Aisa feel like they make sense as scum.
This game is hard...

Agreed.

[Titus]

I'm a bit miffed by Fire trying to reaction test. I'm not seeing what it gains at all. The only real "reaction test" here at all is a no elimination. That's unlikely to net us anything though. I think that I still stand by my VCA and setup spec but that's not enough on its own.

[Titus]

Was kinda hoping for more from Titus.

Reality distracted me but still leaning Aisa as of this post.

[Titus]

EE, if you aren't actually a PR, I will be pissed. Confirm it and I'll hammer.

[Titus]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Titus]

I think EE got the gist that I'd be pissed if he fake claimed rather than listen to my vca and analysis.

[Titus]

Did your VCA and Analyzis say that Aisa was the scum here?

Yes

[Titus]

This was busted from the get go. Can we stop forcefeeding town victories?

[Titus]

Two cops, no roleblockers, no investigatiors