Mini Normal 2306: Game Over

[Titus]

Oh while I'm at it NorwegianboyEE. If it was smart, I would fight you on your Alisae townread, but it isn't. We need one scum today. Let them fight amongst each other to survive.

[Radical Rat]

Mod are votes locked in elo?

They are not.

[Radical Rat]

Votecount 4.1

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to hammer

votes

Firebringer (1):

Random Nurse

Not Voting (6):

Dunnstral, Titus, Aisa, Firebringer, Hu Tao, NorwegianboyEE

notes

• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day Four ends in (expired on 2023-08-22 15:30:00)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm so Fire and Titus both townread each other and think scum is in Aisa?

Interesting…Interesting… *Scribbles in notepad

[Titus]

Hmm so Fire and Titus both townread each other and think scum is in Aisa?

Interesting…Interesting… *Scribbles in notepad

Yup. Engage me please.

[Dunnstral]

I’m thinking the lulz thing to do here would be to lim RN and if it flips scum then Fire can bodyguard me and if they fail a third time we all laugh.

Don't forget that Hu Tao is also alive and confirmed town.

[Titus]

I’m thinking the lulz thing to do here would be to lim RN and if it flips scum then Fire can bodyguard me and if they fail a third time we all laugh.

Don't forget that Hu Tao is also alive and confirmed town.

Exactly.

Hu Tao + NorwegianboyEE + Firebringer + Titus

Do you think Random is town? Are you fine with a Random lim? An Aliase lim? You can't have both as town. Pick one to bus.

[Dunnstral]

I've made it clear I believe Random Nurse is mafia

[Titus]

I've made it clear I believe Random Nurse is mafia

Then vote. I dare you.

[Dunnstral]

I am not going to do that

[Titus]

I am not going to do that

Why not?

[Titus]

Is it because you don't really want Random dead? Is it because you're secretly hoping that a conftown votes Firebringer so you can hammer?

[Hu Tao]

I mean.. There is already at least 1 mafia confirmed in fire and RN right now

[Aisa]

Dunn, what’s making you think me town here?

[Aisa]

I mean.. There is already at least 1 mafia confirmed in fire and RN right now

I mean… I’ve been away most of the time since RN voted so I wouldn’t so in the RN and fire town world we wouldn’t have been able to quickhammer!

[Aisa]

Bleh that came out wrong but you know what I mean

[Aisa]

Titus, how is catching up on the game going? Like, how much of it have you been able to read?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, what’s making you think me town here?

There are stronger reasons to scumread the other three.

Firebringer's role claim seems unlikely to me. They claimed bodyguard but their night 1 protect and night 3 protect both mysteriously failed. I find a 2-shot strongman to be overkill for a bodyguard and a roleblocker would have to target Firebringer night 1 while he coincidentally attempted to bodyguard the night kill, which is pretty unlikely and it is more likely that they are simply lying about their role.

Random Nurse only pushes one person at a time like I said. And they're really throwing their vote around. Look at their last ~6 posts and they've voted hu tao, flavor leaf, and now firebringer, all on shoddy reasoning. And we know two of those are town now. And the firebringer vote just feels like a bus. Or rather, why are they so eager to vote when it is elo and they don't seem to have any other suspects or even townreads.

Titus was the Roden slot, and yesterday while Flavor leaf was being pushed both Roden and Firebringer started to angle towards your slot Aisa as being mafia. This felt like posturing for the next day rather than townie reconsideration to me. Roden and Random Nurse both suddenly offered very little while Flavor leaf was being voted out yesterday. Today Titus is in the slot and I feel they are putting on a show rather than trying to reach understanding. Their read on me is apparently just poe and yet they are acting like they have a confident scumread on me. Even when they have been shown wrong in their reasoning they deflect it to avoid changing their stance. Feels very scummy to me.

Your slot isn't squeaky clean; Alisae has pushed several town this game. That said I do agree with where their reads ended up - they were generally thinking firebringer + roden yesterday for living players.

[Dunnstral]

Assuming Firebringer mafia from my point of view, he is pushing one player, siding with another, and getting pushed by the last. Two of those players are mafia with him, and the last is a townie.

[Titus]

Titus, how is catching up on the game going? Like, how much of it have you been able to read?

I've read the fact of cop innos and the VCs. Then I'm using interactions.

[Titus]

Dunn, what’s making you think me town here?

There are stronger reasons to scumread the other three.

Firebringer's role claim seems unlikely to me. They claimed bodyguard but their night 1 protect and night 3 protect both mysteriously failed. I find a 2-shot strongman to be overkill for a bodyguard and a roleblocker would have to target Firebringer night 1 while he coincidentally attempted to bodyguard the night kill, which is pretty unlikely and it is more likely that they are simply lying about their role.

Random Nurse only pushes one person at a time like I said. And they're really throwing their vote around. Look at their last ~6 posts and they've voted hu tao, flavor leaf, and now firebringer, all on shoddy reasoning. And we know two of those are town now. And the firebringer vote just feels like a bus. Or rather, why are they so eager to vote when it is elo and they don't seem to have any other suspects or even townreads.

Titus was the Roden slot, and yesterday while Flavor leaf was being pushed both Roden and Firebringer started to angle towards your slot Aisa as being mafia. This felt like posturing for the next day rather than townie reconsideration to me. Roden and Random Nurse both suddenly offered very little while Flavor leaf was being voted out yesterday. Today Titus is in the slot and I feel they are putting on a show rather than trying to reach understanding. Their read on me is apparently just poe and yet they are acting like they have a confident scumread on me. Even when they have been shown wrong in their reasoning they deflect it to avoid changing their stance. Feels very scummy to me.

Your slot isn't squeaky clean; Alisae has pushed several town this game. That said I do agree with where their reads ended up - they were generally thinking firebringer + roden yesterday for living players.

You're straight up against massclaim. Town would be woefully underpowered without a protective role. Yet, you're pushing Firebringer and wanting to deny a massclaim. There are a multitude of mechanical reasons why such a setup could happen. Could Fire be scum? Sure. I doubt it though and he's not the play today.

Random Nurse and Firebringer are almost never SvS. You go through Random's recent vote history of always voting town and yet you propose scum Random literally busses in elo because ??? And you won't vote Random because???

You gripe that I'm not coming to an "understanding". The only understanding that I need to come to is to get one scumread eliminated by any fair and ethical means necessary. I don't need to "understand" you as long as he votes scum today.

And here again, you post doubt on Aisa/Alisae with no attempt towards resolution.

We need one scum dead today. Not the entire solve, although it would be helpful.

[Aisa]

Dunn is making the most sense to me at the moment; perhaps this will not come as a surprise to anyone reading. I'd still like to take my time and would not say this is a read I am particularly confident in.

Titus's entrance in the game does seem scummy to me. I worry that she's come in presenting such a strong view of the game, with her exact Dunn/Aisa/Nurse solve, and doesn't really hesitate to propose a plan in which she lines up all 3 lims. I'm not sure why she was so keen to pressure Dunn to vote here, not even 24 hours after the game day started. I'm also not sure why she doesn't think her logic should apply to herself. If she's town and scumreads Random Nurse and hasn't voted him yet, wouldn't that, like, prompt a realisation that maybe Dunn has whatever reasons he has to not vote for Nurse right away?

I am also not sure about the part of her VCA where she says that scum wouldn't "buddy" on a wagon and later appears to imply that by "buddying" she only means two scum piling onto a wagon consecutively. If she is town that is a really unfortunately sus series of posts.

Titus, if you're town here I understand it's going to be difficult for you to take me seriously, but. You're coming off as quite certain of your solve for someone who subbed into the game some 3 days ago and I don't really understand how you'd be willing to bet the game on what essentially seems to be VCA + "Nurse wouldn't bus Firebringer" (which is not obvious at all to me). I'd need more context into why you think VCA works so well.

[Dunnstral]

I am also not sure about the part of her VCA where she says that scum wouldn't "buddy" on a wagon and later appears to imply that by "buddying" she only means two scum piling onto a wagon consecutively. If she is town that is a really unfortunately sus series of posts.

Even with that criteria, all 3 of our slots are voting in a row in this votecount: 4506


Their response is in 4567 gives a different reason

[Dunnstral]

Titus is definitely exaggerating my stance with mass claim. I'm the one who initially suggested we do so, then changed my mind on a new day based on new information. Even still, I believe I said I was still fine with a mass claim today if Hu Tao/NorwegiantBoy wanted to do that, but that I felt it was better to simply eliminate Fire since I believed that would happen either way.

Saying Fire is not the play due to role is silly. That's the reason we didn't consider them

yesterday

. And he didn't protect Bob, which is the reason we were going to vote them out today. It's elo now, continuing to push that we need to hold off based on them using their role is silly.

[Titus]

Titus is definitely exaggerating my stance with mass claim. I'm the one who initially suggested we do so, then changed my mind on a new day based on new information. Even still, I believe I said I was still fine with a mass claim today if Hu Tao/NorwegiantBoy wanted to do that, but that I felt it was better to simply eliminate Fire since I believed that would happen either way.

Saying Fire is not the play due to role is silly. That's the reason we didn't consider them

yesterday

. And he didn't protect Bob, which is the reason we were going to vote them out today. It's elo now, continuing to push that we need to hold off based on them using their role is silly.

This is absolutely misrepping what I said. The vote counts acted like a guilty. I explained that. I look at counterwagons.

Second, I don't believe Fire can necessarily use his role. His role is just necessary in the setup unless there is another PR. Masons (two conftown) plus a protective is balanced. Here, due to presumably good cop play, we have 3 and a protective.

Lastly, Random is 100% the correct play. There's no effort there. I've played this particular way to force out that Dunn is aligned with Aisa socially. This will set up a tomorrow of me and Fire v Aisa and Dunn. That will settle the marbles.

As for the reason my vote was less important than Dunn's is because I made my solve clear. I wanted to lock in Dunn to his perspective.

Now that we have Dunn and Aisa essentially claiming aligned, we can get the secure Random flip whenever the conftown are ready.