Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Cook]

pagetop :3

[AniX]

Oh good, Aureal full claimed.

Way back last week, Aurel "recruited" me, in so much as we now share a neighborhood together. Aureal offered to fully induct me (so the ability is split between creating a private channel and actually fully cultizing), but I did not agree and to my knowledge have not gained any new abilities.

[Cook]

oh huh

well shit

[Doctor Drew]

i mean
ranger casts suspicion on doctor drew
gets doctor drew and cook voting them

i cast suspicion on doctor drew
get doctor drew and cook voting me

it was not exactly difficult to predict

Where exactly did you cast suspicion on me?

[DkKoba]

i mean
ranger casts suspicion on doctor drew
gets doctor drew and cook voting them

i cast suspicion on doctor drew
get doctor drew and cook voting me

it was not exactly difficult to predict

Where exactly did you cast suspicion on me?

to be fair if i did have to call someone within that group it would probably still be drew

however roles like rangers bingles and cooks seem to go together
all of which involve modifiers and giving them or removing them

i mean
kind of the point of the mass claim was to set out all the roles and see if we can identify any groups of one or groups of four
and also see how many groups we can identify to begin with

we are just waiting on dragoneater to actually claim so that the info cannot get used to craft fake claims

we found one group already let's lim in that group I'm willing to ignore camel for the greater good.

pc
koba
drew
theta

which one is scum?

this requires an assumption that just having modifiers constitutes a group

that is not exactly the strongest amount of theming plus roles that interact with modifiers specifically exist bringing the total up past four

plus i have a modifier

PC is focusing on what I thought could be a group.

Why they are drilling so deep on it I do not know, especially when I said myself I might not be accurate here(pointed out here by Skygazer here with a modifier).

Not sure your goal here PC

I'm hoping to demonstrate what's wrong with it. you saw how theta reacted they refused to group in when their life might be at stake. getting a bunch of people to agree on their death is not going to be possible or feasible. theta pivoted off pretty hard with misdirection and deflection and then ended up saying you would be the lim in the group of 4. and now we have you here saying that the group is only a possibility. however you chop it up it doesn't matter people will find excuses to say oh woah wait that grouping I just made and people said was good now doesn't make sense at all.

Ok fair enough, I do agree Theta tried to pivot away from my 'group'.

I am down for that wagon.

VOTE: Theta

hey what i tell yall bout theta

VOTE: Theta

reading hard

[Cook]

reading is hard?

[Bingle]

I have thoughts re: groupings, individual role balance, play, associative tells, and educational reform that all deserve an entire wall, but I’m not sure how many I can get to cause I promised a friend from the other side of the planet I’d be able to hang out tonight.

If people have a preference, I would enjoy hearing which.

For now, aureal has NOT full claimed. We still need number of followers to trigger every individual role, whether role chains are recursive, whether aureal gets to know who has access to each individual’s list of powers.

The role itself has the very distinct characteristic of not benefiting at all from being last claimed, yet aureal was very concerned with going early because claiming after everyone would break the game. In the strongest case, aureal has a role that functionally turns this game into everyone is a vig.

Aureal slipped on part of her role that’s being withheld when talking about me. She mentioned that her role could confirm my role, but prima fasci it does not do that. If I were lying about my role and aureal’s was as claimed, the only thing I’d have to do to not be caught would be not use any visible powers. That tells me there is a significant portion of aureal’s claim that isn’t being said. Based on my role that could be an alignment change mechanic (recruit five people, join scumteam) or a compulsive modifier.

Even then, Aureal doesn’t show any paranoia about scum getting access to vig shots. Vig shots, which I very well believe have utility only in situations where they are known or reasonably certain to be coming from town.

Tl;dr, this is probably a Sakura Hana from RC’s UPick type deal where the role is all about scum convincing town to trust them and then profiting.

AniX should accept the power up and claim the information they get, but no one else should accept a power up from either player aorn.

[xyzzy]

votecount 1.11

i got the album bad mode by hikaru utada in the mail yesterday and i an listening to it right now. i'm sure you're asking, did i cry during "one last kiss" while thinking about the themes of evangelion 3.0+1.0 and the series as a whole? yeah

3 players voting for Doctor Drew (Ranger, DragonEater70, DkKoba)
2 players voting for Political Clout (Save The Dragons, camelCasedSnivy)
2 players voting for camelCasedSnivy (Political Clout, Skygazer)
2 players voting for Theta Alpine (Doctor Drew, Cook)
1 player voting for DragonEater70 (AniX)
1 player voting for Random Nurse (KatyKimFanClub)
1 player voting for Alisae (Aureal)
1 player voting for Cook (Ircher)

4 players not voting (Alisae, Random Nurse, Bingle, Theta Alpine)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to eliminate.

mod notes: Doctor Drew has requested replacement.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't fuckin know what's going on anymore UNVOTE:

[AniX]

AniX should accept the power up and claim the information they get, but no one else should accept a power up from either player aorn.

I am willing to do so if the town feels like it is in our best interest.

[Save The Dragons]

Why did aureal target anix

[camelCasedSnivy]

its a day action?

[camelCasedSnivy]

wait i just had a thought

could i prevent skygazers compulsive action with my baked goods

[Skygazer]

i'll take it. won't prevent me from giving my vote away tonight assuming i have to use it the next night, but itd at least let me give my vote away to someone townie without worrying about night action stuff

[Skygazer]

or i could target someone without a night action tonight and use the baked good night 3 to negate my role for nights 3 and 4. i cant redirect anyone if no one gets my vote

[camelCasedSnivy]

its a day action

[Skygazer]

UNVOTE:

[Skygazer]

oh sick

[camelCasedSnivy]

and yeah it wouldnt prevent day 2/night 3 ig because you would have to eat it day 2

[Cook]

i'll take it. won't prevent me from giving my vote away tonight assuming i have to use it the next night, but itd at least let me give my vote away to someone townie without worrying about night action stuff

who are you thinking about?

[Aureal]

For now, aureal has NOT full claimed.

Well excuse me for having a complicated long-ass role and not immediately talking about every tiny detail regardless of interest! I said to ask if you had any questions and instead I get shit. I don't even remember all the details and there's things I forget until I look back at the PM again.

We still need number of followers to trigger every individual role,

1 to send a message
3 to neighborhood
6 to roleblock and open a neighborhood and autorecruit (same target)
10 to vig and recruit

Is it really so hard to ASK about what you wanna know instead of getting accusatory?

whether role chains are recursive,

What?

whether aureal gets to know who has access to each individual’s list of powers.

IT'S A FUCKING PUBLIC ACTION

Do you think I and anyone else who's seen the text needed to open a neighborhood is going to just NOT NOTICE when someone starts spouting off about securing their family's future in the game thread?!? And now that it's all out it's going to be mostly obvious to everyone else too! We'll know the number of recruits we have (I assume xyzzy will say something at night about it, they said they're keeping track). It's not entirely a sure thing that someone accepts the offer once a neighborhood is formed but it's easy to tell when they do the neighborhood, and anyone in the chain above will have their recruit total increase in case of a successful recruit so it shouldn't be that freaking hard to figure!

The role itself has the very distinct characteristic of not benefiting at all from being last claimed, yet aureal was very concerned with going early because claiming after everyone would break the game. In the strongest case, aureal has a role that functionally turns this game into everyone is a vig.

Not EVERYONE, they can't all have 10 recruits. It'd be up to 7 including me because there's 17 people. Gosh, that math was hard.

And are you trying to say this role cannot break the game and also that there can be a whole bunch of vigs in the same breath??! You don't think having a bunch of vigs breaks the game??

Aureal slipped on part of her role that’s being withheld when talking about me. She mentioned that her role could confirm my role, but prima fasci it does not do that. If I were lying about my role and aureal’s was as claimed, the only thing I’d have to do to not be caught would be not use any visible powers. That tells me there is a significant portion of aureal’s claim that isn’t being said. Based on my role that could be an alignment change mechanic (recruit five people, join scumteam) or a compulsive modifier.

I ALREADY FREAKING EXPLAINED HOW TO CONFIRM YOU WITH IT

IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT WORKS THEN EXPLAIN WHY

SAYING "OH I CAN JUST REFUSE TO CONFIRM MY ROLE" IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE EXPLANATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE WANT YOU TO CONFIRM IT AND YOU REFUSE YOU GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE

Even then, Aureal doesn’t show any paranoia about scum getting access to vig shots. Vig shots, which I very well believe have utility only in situations where they are known or reasonably certain to be coming from town.

You're really intent on coming up with any sort of way to discredit me and get rid of this power rather than evaluate its potential use, aren't you?? Criticizing perceived attitude rather than the role is a bad look. It's like you didn't even read my attitude, either, since you're wrong.

Tl;dr, this is probably a Sakura Hana from RC’s UPick type deal where the role is all about scum convincing town to trust them and then profiting.

AniX should accept the power up and claim the information they get, but no one else should accept a power up from either player aorn.

Insert handwaved paranoia because of some other game with no explanation of it or how that could even be relevant in this situation here

Bud, you can fucking flip me after getting these abilities out there, with my own powers that I could give people no less, to make sure I don't have some secret role. But instead you're suggesting that AniX should be barred from using their own abilities without gaining anything from mine and then undoubtedly gets killed before being able to start making use of the Amway powers. Obviously someone without night actions is going to be the ideal place to start up with this, not someone who's going to miss out on stuff.

I expected a lot more from you guys. There's no attempt to evaluate the risks and benefits of these abilities. There is only the desire to squelch them. It's hard to see that not coming from scum.

[DkKoba]

I have thoughts re: groupings, individual role balance, play, associative tells, and educational reform that all deserve an entire wall, but I’m not sure how many I can get to cause I promised a friend from the other side of the planet I’d be able to hang out tonight.

If people have a preference, I would enjoy hearing which.

For now, aureal has NOT full claimed. We still need number of followers to trigger every individual role, whether role chains are recursive, whether aureal gets to know who has access to each individual’s list of powers.

The role itself has the very distinct characteristic of not benefiting at all from being last claimed, yet aureal was very concerned with going early because claiming after everyone would break the game. In the strongest case, aureal has a role that functionally turns this game into everyone is a vig.

Aureal slipped on part of her role that’s being withheld when talking about me. She mentioned that her role could confirm my role, but prima fasci it does not do that. If I were lying about my role and aureal’s was as claimed, the only thing I’d have to do to not be caught would be not use any visible powers. That tells me there is a significant portion of aureal’s claim that isn’t being said. Based on my role that could be an alignment change mechanic (recruit five people, join scumteam) or a compulsive modifier.

Even then, Aureal doesn’t show any paranoia about scum getting access to vig shots. Vig shots, which I very well believe have utility only in situations where they are known or reasonably certain to be coming from town.

Tl;dr, this is probably a Sakura Hana from RC’s UPick type deal where the role is all about scum convincing town to trust them and then profiting.

AniX should accept the power up and claim the information they get, but no one else should accept a power up from either player aorn.

personally id like groupings to see how it may differ from mine, but thats selfish and ill let others choose

[Ircher]

better people then me have done the setup spec

we are trying to finish a mass claim at this point and it is starting to drag on too much
why blame me for following through with an action i said i would do

I think blame is a poor choice for a word here as it implies negative connotation on my actions not yours and it feels like you are trying for appeasment and forgiveness. You are doing action x I am saying action x is more likely to come from mafia for reasons y and z. If you are not confident in setup speculation, why give credence to it? Or do you both trust someone in this game to do the setup speculation and that person you trust you are confident is 100% town? If the answer is no to either of these questions then your play on this page is both illogical and shows you are bloodthirsty trying to get a lim. as the lim in question PC may or may not claim to you as mafia it is a 50/50 chance of a lim.

This is a pretty bad argument. You don't need to be 100% confident in a player's setup spec OR towniness to go along with them. As long as you trust the play to be sensible and logical, that is enough.

if you forgot in your posts in your iso you talk about claiming a bit and what people should do have you forgotten? I have given you a modifier.

also nothing is dragging on to much we have at best infinite days at worst a mod imposed deadline.

Just because we have "unlimited" time doesn't mean we should allow things to take longer than necessary.

I have just replaced in it feels like people have stagnated and are ignoring the number 1 objective and have replaced it with another objective: claiming assuming it will achieve the number 1 objective: catch scum.

I mean, claims CAN catch scum. It's not guaranteed, sure, but you're acting like it has no utility. People's reluctance or eagerness to claim can also be indicative of their alignments irrespective of their claims.

You have not demonstrated this if other people have are you willing to follow them? if so why?

I have more thoughts that I think I'll keep to myself. I think kkoba vote is on balance interesting considering his postion on mr. dragon. logically it doesn't follow even with the town read. he goes down in my reads list. sad.

I am an investigative role.

this entire interaction is designed to test whether I have confirmation bias on you theta or whether I will tunnel you to death.

VOTE: theta alpine

Why not full claim? You haven't given a reason to not do so other than you seem to disagree with the mass claim (which to be fair may not have been the best move), but with it already in motion and having already revealed your general role type, I don't see why you are holding back on the specifics.

this has already been decided
you are one of the last few to have not claimed
you are either claiming or dying and if you really want to pick a 1v1 with someone whose ability can create mod announcements to prove their own role then feel free to

I would say this role is likely to be scum sided as it exists fundamentally to only forment chaos.

Why do you think that's the only use of the role?

also with roles like that that involve recruitment and all that i am worried about stuff like RadientCowbells anything upick where ppl foolishly prayed to this player when they died even tho they were obviously scum early game and they just turbo bussed to get an alternative wincon.

not enabling anyone elses role like that

I don't think it was /that/ obvious, at least not at first. With that said, I agree that this is a concern here.

aureal trying to push they are town for role is like one of those classic role madness scumclaims lol. not that im ever gonna use that as a sole reason but the more they push it the more i just wanna tunnel harder

So you try to push that I'm scum for my role and then call it a scumclaim when I think otherwise. Wow. Okay. I was starting to think maybe you weren't actually scum, but you're really trying to make the case that your scumflip will be a real scumflip and not this 'death miller' thing, aren't you?

why does anyone townread this slot btw

koba what’s your poe atm

mine is aureal clout drew. one of those three are who i’m happy with atm subject to change and people yelling at me

Theta Alpine
DragonEater70
Bingle
AniX
Ranger
Save The Dragons
Random Nurse
Political Clout
Skygazer
Cook
camelCasedSnivy
Alisae
KatyKimFanClub
Doctor Drew
Ircher
Aureal

Is this ordered?

(sheeping political clout)

Why?

[DkKoba]

no i just randomly put names in a list for no reason

[Cook]

so uh

someone gonna play or