Yos wrote: Vollkan wrote: There are numerous reasons why a person's style might change (new meta experiences, mood, power role, etc.). It's only scummy if you can pinpoint the change and explain what's scummy about it.
There are numerous reasons, yes. Some reasons are scummy, some are unrelated to alignment. Which, I think, does make it a (weak) net scumtell.
But you haven't even been able to pinpoint what it is that has changed or even whether anything
actually
has.
I mean, your argument is effectively: "Something about CKD's play seems different. I don't know whether or not that's scummy, but because changes are either null or scum, changes generally are a net weak scumtell."
Yos wrote:
Voll wrote: I called it "gut disagreement" in our debate on this point, and I stand by that label. What it is basically is saying "I don't know CKD's reasons, but I can't imagine he has any good ones". The solution is not to suspect him; the solution is to inquire after the reasons for his suspicion.
Except inquires into his reasons, made by several people, went nowhere. And the game was quite short at that point; it's not like there could have been much that I missed before he made that vote.
Bingo.
Because CKD's vote was gut based
. Hence, "gut disagreement"
Yos wrote:
Yes, I said that. Note that nowhere in there did I say that it was "just gut". I was just pointing out that you were trying to treat my post as if it was something different from what it was. And since none of my reasons are actually flawed, as can be pretty clearly seen in this post, it's really scummy that you were trying to construct a case against me based on my reasons for suspecting CKD, especally if you also suspect him. It just dosn't make sense.
But the post didn't give
any
reasons:
Yos wrote: This is exactally why some people just say "gut", you know. Because whenever you try to explain exactally why you have a bad, scummy feeling about someone's posts, you get attacked for it.
I'm not trying to constuct a "logical case" here, really. I think CKD is scum, and I'm trying to explain what gave me that impression. You can either agree or disagree.
And what the hell do you mean, I'm better then this? It's early on day 1 and I've already caught a scum and figured out who one of his scum partners is. What more do you want?
You refer to a "bad, scummy feeling" and even say that this is the reason some people just say "gut".
DrippingGoofball wrote:Let me phrase that another way.
If CKD was your buddy, you wouldn't have hesitated to make yourself the hero and hammer him for town cred. If you were town, you wouldn't have hesitated to make yourself the hero and hammer such a scummy player.
Thus you are scum, BM, and CKD is town.
You really think that town-BM would have hammered so quickly?
Battle Mage wrote:DrippingGoofball wrote:I have CKD pulling really hard at my heartstrings (I told you I'll never let you play me like a violin ever again, put down that bow), and BM screaming "I'm scum! I'm scum!"
There is no way in hell that BM wouldn't think CKD is scummy, if he were town. The only way a player can see something townie in CKD is to be scum, KNOWING that CKD is town, despite evidence to the contrary.
CKD has more flashing scum marquees than Vegas has casinos. Only scum would defend him.
Evidently not. It's called adapting to a meta. Meta indication of his townieness also helps.
BM
"Meta" is very vague. What specifically makes you think CKD is town?
Korts wrote:
DGB, why did you decide to start a wagon from scratch on BM one single day from deadline? Are you perhaps trying suddenly to disassociate yourself from the CKD wagon now that you've pushed it almost to the finish line?
The thought crossed my mind, but it seems much too obvious. That's wifom thinking, though.
DrippingGoofball wrote:Korts, you're on my scumlist to begin with. And you've just set my scumdar on fire.
OK.
Let's make this interesting.
unvote, vote: Korts
Now Korts and CKD are head to head.
We have one day left for one of these two players to collect a couple more votes for the lynch.
*blink* What happened to:
DGB wrote: CKD wrote: Do I think BM's last post was scummy?...meh..if he is scum, it was a safe post...it was like hey, just checking in to let everyone know I could hammer if I wanted too..but I am not....could be an attempt to buy creds once a flip town....it is safe because most likely I will hang today with his vote or not.......or it could be BM being BM..he likes to talk..it is for you guys to decide now..
Grow some. Either you are scum or BM is scum.
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