Micro 1083: Garlic Bread Heist! (Game Over)

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: garlic bread

Easier to steal it if it's dead. No fighting back.

Skygazer maybe town or feels guilty about me carrying and they're trying this game.

[VP Baltar]

Sky is actually engaging in rvs and doing stuff. I was just scum with them and it was like constant lurk from the start

[VP Baltar]

Sky is actually engaging in rvs and doing stuff. I was just scum with them and it was like constant lurk from the start

i remember them being active in rvs that game

I mean, maybe I had a subjective negative read of it since I was scum with them. But it felt to me like a constant "more later" type posting. Given this is a similar player list, I wouldn't expect them to be posting much at all if they rolled scum.

[VP Baltar]

Sky is actually engaging in rvs and doing stuff. I was just scum with them and it was like constant lurk from the start

The Heat rises With This One

I don't know what this means

[VP Baltar]

In The Competitive Team Based Format The Tiger was Very Into Looking As If he Was Working while Actually Slacking Off

While A View into A game As a Good One he Makes a Similar Remark That I initially Felt was A Preemptive Excuse For Different Play For Being a Mafia Roll

Also I'm going to be low effort until tomorrow probably. Lots of football to watch today and a post count to stay under, but I'll be my usual spammy self then.

Try not to give me 30 pages to read in the meanwhile.

This bit isn't going to get old I'm sure

[VP Baltar]

Sky is actually engaging in rvs and doing stuff. I was just scum with them and it was like constant lurk from the start

i remember them being active in rvs that game

I mean, maybe I had a subjective negative read of it since I was scum with them. But it felt to me like a constant "more later" type posting. Given this is a similar player list, I wouldn't expect them to be posting much at all if they rolled scum.

i dont follow. why would they be posting less with a similar player list? wouldn't that encourage them to post more maybe?

Lol I don't think so. We had to fight tooth and nail for that win and I'd be low motivation if I rolled scum again.

Sky seems to be claiming it's NAI tho, so I should review that meta at some point when I have the time

[VP Baltar]

capitalization bad

Don't let the scoundrels ruin a good thing

[VP Baltar]

In The Competitive Team Based Format The Tiger was Very Into Looking As If he Was Working while Actually Slacking Off

While A View into A game As a Good One he Makes a Similar Remark That I initially Felt was A Preemptive Excuse For Different Play For Being a Mafia Roll

Also I'm going to be low effort until tomorrow probably. Lots of football to watch today and a post count to stay under, but I'll be my usual spammy self then.

Try not to give me 30 pages to read in the meanwhile.

This bit isn't going to get old I'm sure

Isn't this the same shit you did in Hollow Knight?

You mean telling someone to stop posting annoyingly. Probably. I don't remember. I had to replace out of that game bc I couldn't keep up

[VP Baltar]

You think that's something I wouldn't do as town?

[VP Baltar]

I remember getting a lot of heat after replacing you because all you did that game was complain about the alts posting style and push them.

Seems like a big stretch but alright. If all I do is push garlic bread (which I haven't even done?) over speaking like they're at the Theatre in the Round, then you have my permission to death tunnel me.

[VP Baltar]

I remember getting a lot of heat after replacing you because all you did that game was complain about the alts posting style and push them.

Seems like a big stretch but alright. If all I do is push garlic bread (which I haven't even done?) over speaking like they're at the Theatre in the Round, then you have my permission to death tunnel me.

I Queried You earlier About Your View of the Overall Kitchen
I Have Received an Empty Platter
Please Bring me My Food

If you're asking me for a reads list, I don't have one. Extremely tentative on sky, and have no reads anywhere else at this point.

[VP Baltar]

Sky is actually engaging in rvs and doing stuff. I was just scum with them and it was like constant lurk from the start

The Heat rises With This One

I don't know what this means

Have you read any of their other posts? I think the meaning of this post should be pretty obvious if you do.

I skimmed them, but part of the reason I don't like when people gimmick post is because it makes my eyes glaze over and I end up just skimming past it

[VP Baltar]

So I an 177c is that good or bad?

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: shea

Why not

[VP Baltar]

tris and baltz probably coordinated this push in their Mental Neighborhood fwiw

You may as well join. You're going to look pretty silly when you don't use this big brain duo

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: VP Baltar
This one has made the unfortunate mistake of turning off his oven.
I believe they have access to the recipe book and are listing ingredients that we are trying to figure out.

How do you feel about shea?

[VP Baltar]

Either the gimmick has grown on me, or I'm just fluent in them from way too many Survivor games. I kinda like what the Bread is laying down, it's followable. Idk if I agree with any of the assertions so far, but there's nothing too outrageous there.

Unvote

Feels pretty tin foil to me (and not just because they are making absurd leaps about me).

I could see an argument that it's too absurd to be scum, but followable in terms of logical seems like a stretch.

[VP Baltar]

Either the gimmick has grown on me, or I'm just fluent in them from way too many Survivor games. I kinda like what the Bread is laying down, it's followable. Idk if I agree with any of the assertions so far, but there's nothing too outrageous there.

Unvote

Feels pretty tin foil to me (and not just because they are making absurd leaps about me).

I could see an argument that it's too absurd to be scum, but followable in terms of logical seems like a stretch.

Care To Reply To any of the Points and Ellaborate on Your Thoughts in the Posts I quoted?

Probably not tonight, no.

[VP Baltar]

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

[VP Baltar]

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

The Early Game is When The Mafia are Weakest and Are Uninformed of the Gamestate.

I See No Fault in Early Reads like that.

No fault in early reads. Just a bit silly to be like here is a wall case and expect me to take that serious. The question is if you're bullshitting me for a reaction or if you truly believe in what you posted.

[VP Baltar]

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

Go on

[VP Baltar]

no

Hitting me right in the feelings

[VP Baltar]

Fair enough

[VP Baltar]

In The Competitive Team Based Format The Tiger was Very Into Looking As If he Was Working while Actually Slacking Off

While A View into A game As a Good One he Makes a Similar Remark That I initially Felt was A Preemptive Excuse For Different Play For Being a Mafia Roll

Also I'm going to be low effort until tomorrow probably. Lots of football to watch today and a post count to stay under, but I'll be my usual spammy self then.

Try not to give me 30 pages to read in the meanwhile.

This bit isn't going to get old I'm sure

Isn't this the same shit you did in Hollow Knight?

In retrospect i regret shooting my load early with this. Sometimes I just say things that pop into my head without thinking about whether it would be smart to not say them yet.

I do think there's something to VPBs expressed annoyment about the gimmick posting but I should have waited to see if more would have come from this first.

Being annoyed at people who intentionally make the game harder to read isn't AI. If someone was in here spamming pages of nonsense or posting walls without quotes for reference, I'd say the same thing. I prefer people to make to make the game as readable as possible.

I don't think garlic bread is being super annoying about it and im not going to tell them what to do, just definitely not the most user friendly approach to the game, imo.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: garlic bread

Easier to steal it if it's dead. No fighting back.

Skygazer maybe town or feels guilty about me carrying and they're trying this game.

Inconsistency Is Detected
Vote seems Random Vote Stagey
Combo'd with Serious Read

Would you have Other reads on Top of Skygazer?

I reread your case just now GB, and I think this is the main point you're trying to make since most of the rest seems to flow from this.

I don't see what "inconsistency " is here. I did not have a good scum read at this point (still don't actually) and I observed behavior that appeared different to me from the scum game I just completed with skygazer. There's nothing inconsistent about these views, other than your "one is serious and one is not" point...which is about the depth of an inconsistency found between two images in Highlights magazine.

What is my scum motivation for posting a nonserious vote alongside a serious observation? What is my angle that you're zeroing in on here?

The rest of your "case" seems like padding to reinforce this point. You make some kind of assumption I should have a reads list because I said one thing about sky, and I don't know what the basis is for that assumption. I think regardless of alignment, anyone with a full reads list this early in a game is making up a lot of stuff.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I don't have strong scum reads this early, having been phone posting yesterday entirely while doing other things on my weekend. If that is scummy behavior to you, I think that's a pretty absurd take and level zero scumhunting, but go off.

I personally think you're bullshitting reads to see what sticks. The question for me is why you're doing that, and answering that question probably means I need to carefully parse the shtick stuff I skimmed. Add it to my to do list

[VP Baltar]

Who am I wrong on then?

Me obv.

That being said, the way you're playing seems to be "hard town read some people and then just claim anyone below that is probably scum."

Which...

I don't have any meta for you, but would you say you typically have very strong reads early in the game? How accurate are those in your experience?

[VP Baltar]

Just want to add - mainly to VP but applies to all. Please don't lower your play to "avoid a nightkill", just play normally because chances are mafia will sew you stick out if you do that.
Others also see difference from standard play and will latch on and then that wastes tike.

So just assume you're VT and play accordingly. Don't rely on your claim as a get out of jail free card until it's really necessary.

Maybe I should put my vote back on you actually

[VP Baltar]

I do think you're trying hard to look protown (reads list, wall case, PR warnings), which i inherently have a negative reaction to. We don't need a thread daddy, thx.

[VP Baltar]

Good top

[VP Baltar]

We don't need a daddy, thx.

what balts neglected to mention is that its bc we already have one (me)

The only daddy I respect

[VP Baltar]

We don't need a daddy, thx.

what balts neglected to mention is that its bc we already have one (me)

The only daddy I respect

[VP Baltar]

Thank you mafia scum dot net

[VP Baltar]

I picked them all. Brooks, can we be friends this game?

[VP Baltar]

I picked option 2. Micro-friend

[VP Baltar]

most of why I play on MS instead of MU is simply because of the longer deadlines/more breathing room

i saw a post there about someone taking time off work to mod a game or something and i was like huh lmao

Just post at work. Your boss loves it

[VP Baltar]

i don't think so, they don't feel very different to me (but meta reads that boil down to personality stuff aren't good meta reads anyways) but i mean i didn't pay too close attention to their posts that game either

I am broken.

I'm surprised though. I came into this game like "oh cool, should be an easy first read, I'll watch skygazer immediately. " you didn't consider something similar?

[VP Baltar]

Ok, if meta isn't really your thing, that makes sense.

[VP Baltar]

Ur mom

[VP Baltar]

I don't know yet. I'll be sure to tell you first when I do though

[VP Baltar]

Did you not read this exact exchange I just had with garlic bread?

[VP Baltar]

I don't think I care about it

Why did you ask me for scum reads then?

[VP Baltar]

But I just said like a few pages ago that I had no clue at this point. Did you not read that part?

[VP Baltar]

Hmm

[VP Baltar]

i think vp baltar isnt acting unlike the game we were in where he was scum but i choose to believe hes not scum, because we're friends. and also theres no way you roll scum again i mean comme on what are the odds of that. dont answer that. put away your math book tris

Yes what are the chances...

[VP Baltar]

I vibe with the hellbooks vote.

why?

[VP Baltar]

Re-reading the sheep-alisae interaction again, I think I agree with Alisae more to a degree. There is some post-hoc justification going on.

That being said, I do have a gut response because sheep's response is SO WAFFLEY. He's either completely floundering scum who doesn't know how to respond to slightest pressure, or he's town just pulling stuff out of the behind.

Sheep, how much experience do you have playing scum?

[VP Baltar]

for Those Curious did A Little Manipulation to Trick People into Making a Snack for Me

Anyways I'm gonna form a towncore for d1 of Baltar/Myself/Shea/Tris/skygazer

Discuss

from this Manipulation I recieved this Snack:

Spoiler: snack

Anyways I'm gonna form a towncore for d1 of Baltar/Myself/Shea/Tris/skygazer

Discuss

I do not really understand this post.

I feel like a lot of what garlic was doing early on felt pretty townie but this feels incredibly out of the blue in an alarming sort of way.

What is the basis for any of these town reads? I understand that GB moved me out of the scummy territory and I felt like that progression was well explained but I dont really have any idea how we go from there to me in the town core.

Same with VPB and I think the progression there is even less understandible.

This post basically just tosses out a bunch of town reads that I think are incredibly unsubstantiated.

from This One:

hellbooks can we be enemies this game

VP has expressed a townread on you based on differences from a recent mutual scumgame. Do you feel similarly about VP here?

I Received 2 Delectables:

Spoiler: jummy snacks

i don't think so, they don't feel very different to me (but meta reads that boil down to personality stuff aren't good meta reads anyways) but i mean i didn't pay too close attention to their posts that game either

i don't think so, they don't feel very different to me (but meta reads that boil down to personality stuff aren't good meta reads anyways) but i mean i didn't pay too close attention to their posts that game either

I am broken.

I'm surprised though. I came into this game like "oh cool, should be an easy first read, I'll watch skygazer immediately. " you didn't consider something similar?

Despite the Resistance to my Cooking I will Trick People to Come in the Kitchen Eventually

I will Continue to Observe Everyone's Yummy Snacks

What exactly is this post supposed to mean anyway? I feel like you're saying "look I did things!" and then you're just pointing to random posts as evidence of *gestures vaguely*

Also, what is your read on xof?

[VP Baltar]

I think her thoughts seem incomplete in a lot of places.

I.e. it feels like she's starting with a conclusion and then writing the post to match and not the other way around. I pointed out an example of this where it felt like she had decided she wanted to shade a post of mine and came up with a plausible reason why you could say it was scummy, but didn't have the complimentary thought process of WHY scum fake doing the thing she was suggesting she would fake as scum and didn't seem to have any thought as to whether the comment itself was faked or not.

reading back on this exchange, I'm curious why you didn't follow up more. Seems like hellbrooks was distracted by a shiney thread emoji and never responded to your issue.

[VP Baltar]

bully me if i don't post more tomorrow gn all~

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: sheep

Ok well then

[VP Baltar]

I think her thoughts seem incomplete in a lot of places.

I.e. it feels like she's starting with a conclusion and then writing the post to match and not the other way around. I pointed out an example of this where it felt like she had decided she wanted to shade a post of mine and came up with a plausible reason why you could say it was scummy, but didn't have the complimentary thought process of WHY scum fake doing the thing she was suggesting she would fake as scum and didn't seem to have any thought as to whether the comment itself was faked or not.

reading back on this exchange, I'm curious why you didn't follow up more. Seems like hellbrooks was distracted by a shiney thread emoji and never responded to your issue.

Is that your only thought on it? I don't follow up on tons of stuff.

I mean, it wasn't some amazing point. I don't think hellbrooks is scummy for posting a half thought lol

[VP Baltar]

Re-reading the sheep-alisae interaction again, I think I agree with Alisae more to a degree. There is some post-hoc justification going on.

That being said, I do have a gut response because sheep's response is SO WAFFLEY. He's either completely floundering scum who doesn't know how to respond to slightest pressure, or he's town just pulling stuff out of the behind.

Sheep, how much experience do you have playing scum?

a lot, I have many many completed mafia games

Can you link me to a recent scum game you had

[VP Baltar]

Ok, the break is helpful context too. Thanks. I'll check this out a bit later today

[VP Baltar]

Mr Cigarette Man, I am Trusting You, but Would You Be Confident Enough On The Sky to not go for them At All?

No. I was making a read based on like three pages. It was essentially gut. Very open to solidifying or changing depending on what sky does this game.

[VP Baltar]

oh shit I just realized I do have a recent wolfgame, pls dont read the one I linked from when I was more cringe

I prefer games on this site anyway. Easier to assess your response in this site culture

[VP Baltar]

Mr Cigarette Man, I am Trusting You, but Would You Be Confident Enough On The Sky to not go for them At All?

No. I was making a read based on like three pages. It was essentially gut. Very open to solidifying or changing depending on what sky does this game.

Would A Player Inclined To Trust Meta More Than You Weigh It Confidently

Are you asking me if I would defer to someone with more meta of sky?

[VP Baltar]

Speculation? What are we speculating?

[VP Baltar]

Is this when we fight now Shea? I don't think I'm misrepping you. If you'd like to explain your point in whatever subtlety you think I'm missing, be my guest.

[VP Baltar]

Balts chainsawing me so hard were gonna get partner cased again s2g

I thought this was the mixer plan?

[VP Baltar]

Is this when we fight now Shea? I don't think I'm misrepping you. If you'd like to explain your point in whatever subtlety you think I'm missing, be my guest.

I literally did not say hellbooks was scummy for saying a half thought. I gave one example of a thought process.

This feels like scum baltar

VOTE: VPB

Ok, so what were you saying. Use your words.

[VP Baltar]

Ok Since I Can now Do So in a Position of Power over Hellbooks I will Reveal my Team Solve has Been Hellbooks and Sheep since I townread Baltar

Are these reads related or these are just two you independently find scummy?

[VP Baltar]

Sometimes I just say things that pop into my head without thinking about whether it would be smart to not say them yet.

saying something and then later going back to be like "oh man i tipped my hand i should have gathered more ammo and then hit em with the epic observation" is something i would extremely extremely say as scum to perform an evaluative process btw

This is a half formed thought.

Why would you be performing an evaluative process? Is it because doing so is something town do?

Is there some particular reason you think this thought is more likely to be me faking a thought rather than just having a thought or did your evaluation stop at "here is something I can shade"

Because I think its the latter.

Ok, so you're saying hellbrooks is shading you with a half formed thought.

I don't think your assessment is even accurate. Brooks is saying "that's totally some shiz I'd do as scum to look like I'm doing stuff". You might disagree that's what you were doing. I don't think I would read it so cynically, but I'm not sure how this is a good reason to say, yeah let's vote brooks. It's pretty flimsy from you in my estimation.

It also feels like you're getting fairly defensive over some pretty minor questioning.

[VP Baltar]

Ok Since I Can now Do So in a Position of Power over Hellbooks I will Reveal my Team Solve has Been Hellbooks and Sheep since I townread Baltar

Are these reads related or these are just two you independently find scummy?

Both
For How can you Find a Pair as Mafia without Ensuring the Team fits Logically

I guess I mean have you seen associatives between them, and if so what are they?

[VP Baltar]

I mean like idunno lol I wouldn't even say i want to resolve anything right now i just want more things to happen and this gamestate doesn't feel like people actively have to play

It's been like two days homie

[VP Baltar]

either way im ok w/ sitting on my butt and doing not much of anything

I mean, what's new

[VP Baltar]

someone give me something to think about pls

How would you say sheep's play this game compares to that game he linked, since you were in that?

[VP Baltar]

I think the D1 elimination will probably be Shea Sheep or Balter

can u explain why you want to lim shea? I am going back through your iso and you were calling him town at one point. I'm confused.

[VP Baltar]

Xof, can I get your take on alisae's town read of you as well? You feel like that's a reasonable conclusion?

[VP Baltar]

someone give me something to think about pls

How would you say sheep's play this game compares to that game he linked, since you were in that?

doesn't feel that different but like i said im trying to get away from meta reads bc honestly a lot of the time it just winds up being me looking at differences in personality/vibe which is generally not the right thing to look for

Unexpected tbh.

I was reading that game this morning and it actually feels markedly different to me. In that game, sheep comes across as trying to have a logical reason for his moves. Whereas this game, he's just like "vibes lolidk"

That type of awareness of how you're going to look is something I do expect scum to be more concerned about, generally speaking.

Was hoping you'd see the same thing.

UNVOTE:

[VP Baltar]

I think the D1 elimination will probably be Shea Sheep or Balter

can u explain why you want to lim shea? I am going back through your iso and you were calling him town at one point. I'm confused.

This is a great question? To me it looks like a misrep?

Alisae didn't say they wanted me or the other slots limmed there, they said they think that will be the eventual elimination.

Dawg out here working on his lawyering technique

[VP Baltar]

I mean, read her iso because I don't think she's literally doing anything but taking pot shots. She made one decent point that was bugging me about sheep, but it was kind of obvious and upon closer inspection from me, doesn't seen to hold up

[VP Baltar]

Alisae, you have a recent scum game I can look at?

[VP Baltar]

@baltar can you kinda explain your read progrssion on hellbooks

I just saw hellbrooks as town when I was scum in our last game. My thought is her banter is kind of similar to there, though I feel like she's not doing as much pressuring this game as she was there.

I think I'm lean town on her now to some degree, but it's not a high confidence read. Feel like she hasn't really gotten much of a foothold yet this game.

[VP Baltar]

it's funny bc last game i was like "why are they killing her!! she's so townie!!" and now i'm like oh i see why

What do you think her alignment is?

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: alisae

I feel most comfortable here right now. I don't like the hellbrooks lim for D1 personally.

I don't think alisae is actually scumhunting and keeps trying to shade me for ???. This bugged me earlier when she was demanding a reads list from me, and clearly wasn't paying attention to the game.

I also think she's trying to get by on social schmoozing rather than hunting scum. The xof town read is eh, and I don't see how she goes from town read Shea-> let's lim Shea--> asking Shea for advice.

Just a bowl of wtf soup

[VP Baltar]

Thanks, I'll check these out later

[VP Baltar]

Do you use "do nothing" as a wolf strategy?

[VP Baltar]

gah i think i might vote hellbooks

you should
but wait to grab the hammer, get guiltied, then let balts clutch it out in ELO. anecdotally, this is a 100% winning strategy

Lol if we rolled scum together this game I'd be absolute TROLLING right now

[VP Baltar]

i think i looped back around to vp baltar / sheep scum world but idk if thats bc hellbooks is actually funny and baltar isnt

lol get rekt if hellbooks scum and ur town baltar (but also get rekt in the world ur scum, but less so bc i know its harder to be funny as scum)

Hellbrooks doesn't seem that scummy to me, but WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THIS I AM FUNNY HOW DARE YOU

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Baltar
better vote than sheep I think

Meanwhile....

Alisae has yet to give any actual reasoning to want me dead and is holding onto it like a security blanket so she doesn't actually have to play the game.

[VP Baltar]

In case it's not clear, dear gamer, it is that time where we have arrived at VP starts wrangling votes on the actually scummy people.

My preference is that we lim Ali today, who is skimming by this game in a scummy way. If you want me to case that out, I can, but you can also just click "isolate users, check mark Alisae" and be AMAZED

[VP Baltar]

(Subject to this meta check I need to do later today, but until I see evidence otherwise, get this wagon going)

[VP Baltar]

someone keeps leaving sticky notes around my house that say "don't trust hellbooks."

also this smoke detector looking thing keeps beeping but there's nothing is on fire

Why shouldn't we trust hellbrooks? I think her most recent posting is probably a little AtE, but it doesn't read as deceptive to me.

I think hellbrooks is being set up as mislim bait a bit, and I'm kind of surprised you're not more skeptical of that given that's exactly what we just did in Datisi's game.

[VP Baltar]

I feel better about baltar than I did earlier today.

I'd like more thoughts on why ali from him.

I'll case it out a little later today I think. I've been bust covering a big court trial this week, but that's in a holding pattern until a verdict comes, so I think I have time.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Baltar
better vote than sheep I think

Meanwhile....

Alisae has yet to give any actual reasoning to want me dead and is holding onto it like a security blanket so she doesn't actually have to play the game.

”they haven’t posted actual reasoning therefore they must be aligned with the mafia!”

I'm malding.

(Also, today has gotten away from me at work and I will probably play video games instead of doing mafia game hw today. Will stop being lazy tomorrow)

[VP Baltar]

Btw i will literally white knight baltar against the accusation that hes not funny i got offended for him on his behalf too

baltar is funny yes

The only opinions I care about are ones that validate my priors

[VP Baltar]

I would just bribe my students with donuts the week before review time, tbh.

Recency bias can be good

[VP Baltar]

amusingly the course evaluation page offers to generate a word cloud of my reviews

Someone doing a historical word cloud analysis on mafiascum.net: why was the site absolutely poisoned by the word "elaboratable" in mid 2023

No lie I almost used this earlier in this game but I didn't want to seem aligned with hellbrooks because of inside jokes

[VP Baltar]

amusingly the course evaluation page offers to generate a word cloud of my reviews

Someone doing a historical word cloud analysis on mafiascum.net: why was the site absolutely poisoned by the word "elaboratable" in mid 2023

No lie I almost used this earlier in this game but I didn't want to seem aligned with hellbrooks because of inside jokes

So u Sr hb?

No I'm just shitposting bc u said I'm not funny

[VP Baltar]

bc we ran into each other at the scum mixer and it's only a matter of time before that becomes public

[VP Baltar]

You can snap vote alisae and actually hit scum

[VP Baltar]

vpballers

Acceptable

[VP Baltar]

You're doing alot of narrative spinning for someone who just Beetlejuiced in here.

How have I been talking about you exactly?

[VP Baltar]

Good one

[VP Baltar]

I think there are a few main things that keep bugging me about Alisae:

Unexplained reads, even when asked for a little more depth

Let's go back to when she votes me first.

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

It's a naked vote that obviously leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Does she think GB's case at that point was good? Does she think I'm being too critical? Is this a chainsaw? I have no idea, but also at the time I'm kind of like "whatever, maybe she vibing"

The very next thing we get from Alisae is the xof townread...again for thin reasoning.

oh also xof unvote could be townie so for now they are my strongest tr
it's not that strong but it is what it is

You'll remember I asked xof about this because it definitely feels pockety to me personally. Xof didn't seem to think so and said they have played together a lot, so I'm taking that under advisement. But what I think bugs me here is that this is the start of a pattern of reads that feel a little pulled out of a hat and designed to keep Alisae from doing work in the game more than they are actual sorting.

I brought this up around her shea play as well. She goes back and forth on calling him town and scum several times (but mostly town! don't want to ruffle feathers) with no explanation, even when I inquired more directly. You'll recall, she said she voted him for taking a "do nothing" strategy, which sounds like projection to me. Keep in mind, sheep-VP-shea are the only three names I've seen her throw out in an apparently serious way. It's all a bit flimsy and falls over with even the slightest closer inspection.

Now, let's be fair here, some of this this is very early game. But my issue real issue is that this has persisted through page 30 whatever now. I was willing to give it a pass early on. People need to find their feet in the early game. But if your naked vote on page 2 or whatever is still your top scum read after 30 pages and that's almost never changed? BEEEEP BOOOOPP SCUM LOCK ALERT BEEEP BOOOP

I can't tell you how many times I've played scum where I lock onto an early game read, forget I'm really there and then dozens of pages pass and I'm like "LOL, I'm still voting my RVS person, better make up some reason why that is."

Alisae occassionally takes pot shots at me that don't even make sense, and I think that's actually her trying to justfiy her vote being there. I'll touch on this as my third point in a minute.

Social positioning away from a D1 lim

As I mentioned above, I thought the xof read felt a little pockety, which is why I was asking xof a bit about it. Willing to admit my instincts differ from xof's there, but whatever.

I don't think I need to have a good read on users Tris + Skygazer + Hellbooks
I imagine those 3 will probably towntell or wolftell eventually.
User Alisae will find it

This also struck me as pockety. Or at the very least, attempting to get a third of the users to not look at her until later in the game. Again, it's a bit cynical of a read on my part, I'll admit, but it's actually kind of a smart wolf play if that's what it is in the sense that 1) you are reducing expectations on who you will provide opinions on D1 and 2) maybe those people reciprocate and don't take a hard look at you either D1. That essentially guarantees an elimination on you is tough if not impossible. A smart social play imo in an alisae!scum world. (it's probably also no surprise she ends up at town reads on all three here I think)

I think she's been schmoozing tris a bit since then, and largely ignoring the other two except for a very brief vote on hellbrooks when momentum was swinging that way.

More broadly, this feeds back into point 1 about how static her reads have been. Unless she has a HIGH LEVEL of confidence the solve is VP + sheep, i don't see how anyone can look at her play to this point and feel like she's actually trying to sort people.

Pot shots as justification for static reads

I mentioned above that Ali is trying to score cheap points with the audience rather than scum hunt, and I think this is peppered throughout her ISO. An example is when she tried to call me out for not having a reads list. I had literally just said I didn't have one. Here is the exchange:

Ok, if meta isn't really your thing, that makes sense.

Who is aligned with the mafia VP Baller

Ur mom

I don't know yet. I'll be sure to tell you first when I do though

my mum is aligned with the mafia so you must be aligned with the village to have such an accurate read on my mum

Did you not read this exact exchange I just had with garlic bread?

I don't think I care about it

I don't think I care about it

Why did you ask me for scum reads then?

Because I wanted to know who u thought was mafia

But I just said like a few pages ago that I had no clue at this point. Did you not read that part?

Ig I didn’t see it!

I think it's easy to see she didn't actually even care about the answer to the question. There's no deeper reason to why she asked me what my reads were than "I wanted to see". And when I say I don't have one, she just backs away from the convo. I think the intent here was to paint me as someone who isn't playing the game, and when I called her out for actually being the person who isn't paying attention to the game, she just disengages with the convo. This is what I mean by pot shots.

Here is another one (along with another "D1 pass" which is the social positioning I was talking about)

I want to give shea a d1 pass.

@Skygazer + Shea

- does VP Baller feel like they actually do care about trying to figure out alignments? I want to say yes but last time I played w/ them I TR'd them when they were wolf.

Like, I think it's reasonable to poke at me for sure. But if the criticism is "he's not trying to figure out alignments"...uh ok. I think my signal to noise ratio is pretty decent (except for when I felt like shit posting yesterday bc I was in a silly mood). This is such a blanket criticism that's detached from reality if you are even looking for two mins at my ISO. It's shade and it's trying to loop in supporting voice on a blanket shade comment. thx I hate it.

There are a million examples of this, from dropping my name repeatedly in quiet ways that seem intent on keeping me in the ether of discussion to stuff like this:

I also think they’ve pushed me in ways wolves probably would so there’s that too

which sounds neat...until you even spend 1 second thinking about what it actually means.

I've pushed her in wolfy ways? What does that mean? I didn't start pushing her until recently. She has incredibly static reads and is trying to schmooze people, all of which has been bugging me, but I also didn't want to launch into a whole thing if this is her town meta (which I don't think it is).

Last night she beetlejuiced in here when I called for a flash wagon on her. I think she can see I'm starting to feel better about this read being correct and that I'm going to push it in a more serious way, and that's bugging her. that's when she made they "wolfy reasons" comment without even hearing my reasons in an explained way. It's shade all the way down.



If you want a hot take, i think there's a non-zero chance that shea or Garlic Bread are her partner.

THE END

[VP Baltar]

also, vote alisae so I don't have to start screaming at people.

[VP Baltar]

tldr

Fair. I hate making walls like that, but felt like I'm taking silly pills that no one but me sees this

[VP Baltar]

I actually read through VPs wall and it doesn't convince me because it does the thing I mentioned earlier about just labeling not actually scummy things that just look bad as scummy and also purely relating reads back to himself.

It's a nice wall but it isn't well researched.

This is why garlic bread needs to immediately go if alisae flips red.

She's allegedly way down on GB's list, but they then come up with every excuse imaginable to not seriously consider an Alisae scum world.

Of course I view people's alignment through how they interact with me. I know my alignment and I know scum would want me dead at some point. Alisae's entire interaction with me is extremely bad faith and shallow, and hasn't evolved since what was an early game vote. GB's response: "oh vp only thinks about himself"

BRO WHO ELSE IS ALISAE LEGIT PUSHING? you could easily make the same argument about the sheep push outside of one fairly obvious point, which I acknowledged early as ok and investigated more than she ever did.

It's complete bullshit for you to come in and spin my case as being lacking when you go to any and every length to keep attention away from what is objectively scummy play by Alisae.

Let me put this another way, do you think alisae is playing townie here?

[VP Baltar]

that vote count wow

I agree and it's why I started a more serious push here. I think this game needs to organize and get some dueling wagons going here. If that's alisae and Sheep, fine. Let's do it. We need to force people to make choices so we have info later game and not just have a vanity wagon party that consolidates last minute one a potential misyeet

[VP Baltar]

Where did I say an alisae!town world is impossible or that "townies only defend townies" or that "she isn't doing things that townies do"?

Pretty cool strawman. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

As far as analyzing your behavior, it's on my list. I find alot of what you're pushing pretty boring and think you're getting by on volume largely. If a person is highly motivated, it's easy to get townread by perceived effort, even if the substance is lacking.

Pedit - of course GB is white knight ingredients alisae lol

[VP Baltar]

White knight ingredients is king autocorrect from white knighting

[VP Baltar]

idk this interaction has made me realize alisae is actually kinda out of scumrange cuz she isn't just sitting down as scum and likes to control gamestate lol

Regardless when reISOing alisae I did realize she was townier than initially thought bc of how she has been poking at stuff in general.

Schroedingers Alisae. She is both too wiped from Team Mafia to repeat the effort as scum and too good as scum to ever play lazy.

[VP Baltar]

Where did I say an alisae!town world is impossible or that "townies only defend townies" or that "she isn't doing things that townies do"?

Pretty cool strawman. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

As far as analyzing your behavior, it's on my list. I find alot of what you're pushing pretty boring and think you're getting by on volume largely. If a person is highly motivated, it's easy to get townread by perceived effort, even if the substance is lacking.

Pedit - of course GB is white knight ingredients alisae lol

Citation , motherfucker

I trust my gut reads and will be happy to make the case when I want you dead. You're not my priority or strongest read right now, so you can argue with yourself for all I care.

My key evidence though is: what actual serious wagons have you driven despite being probably the top poster in this game?

[VP Baltar]

I see, if there's people from TM who had a shared experience then i suppose it could be a conscious choice from Alisae to metabreak but idk I think I'm just going to let Baltar stew in his "why isnt anyone believing me" indignation for a little bit longer

It is my safe space in mafia games.

Call me MADLAD until the scum flips red. I will gloat in the dead thread

[VP Baltar]

I am surprised GB is getting this twisted at a slight poke.

Pedit - "you're attacking people's actions" - GB, year of our lord 2023

[VP Baltar]

it is also very uncharacteristic for town baltar to assume pushes on him = scum, he has actually said this as town in a game before that he doesn't do that and does analyze people(and he did in the game I'm referencing)

so uh, keep lying baltar it makes the case easier to make.

I didn't automatically assume alisae was scum. I have actually spent a good amount of time observing and asking questions before I came to this conclusion. I've felt her push was hinky for a long time, but gave her space to find her footing (which I said in the case). You're blatantly spinning here.

[VP Baltar]

Alleged reads list. Big white knighting of someone just outside your scum list

Tris
Vp Baltar
Xof
Shea
Alisae
-----------
Hellbooks
Sheep

[VP Baltar]

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

Go on

no

How am I supposed to have a discussion when this is the response yo me trying?

[VP Baltar]

whatever I dont even want to flip you today dude I want sheep who is the most obvious scumfuck in the game right now, we can see how you try to make these shit pairings tomorrow if I live.

Great, I said let's duel wagons then. I think alisae flips scum, you think sheep does. Let's go and see who is right.

People not on these wagons should change votes and let's do this thing

[VP Baltar]

Alleged reads list. Big white knighting of someone just outside your scum list

Tris
Vp Baltar
Xof
Shea
Alisae
-----------
Hellbooks
Sheep

"white knighting" indicates im defending a town, not going to assume youre 'slipping' here but rather trying to use a buzzword you don't understand.

and my reads have evolved significantly since then, I do wonder, where are yours to criticize?

[VP Baltar]

Hells yes, let's go!

[VP Baltar]

HATERS NO LONGER VOTING ME WE'VE WEATHERED THE PAGLIACCI ERA LADIES!!!

You're welcome

[VP Baltar]

Brooks you going to get on this alisae wagon?

[VP Baltar]

Garlic Bread - I think this is town. I think he is playing in a way that is just he genuinely believes his reads; no other reason to play like this. if mafia no reason to repeat the same things many times and press people this way; breaking the gimmick in some conversations feels genuine

See, I agree with you. But GB's posting reminds me of the sort of game stuff Koba was just doing in Team Mafia and that was scum, so I'm keeping that possibility in the back of my head and hoping that this is just town.

oh GB is Koba? Ok, I probably need to recalibrate with that info.

[VP Baltar]

Town koba, famous for never 180ing reads

lol, gottem

[VP Baltar]

Good top

[VP Baltar]

Look my thought is even if you disagree with my alisae case, we need to consolidate wagons. Put a better case forward on someone if you don't agree. Let's debate something with some passion and CONSEQUENCES.

[VP Baltar]

we have so many days we have like 5 days

5 days flies by I think when we are this disjointed. People are vibin, and I don't have a problem with that, but we should start moving toward some kind of consensus soonish imo.

[VP Baltar]

anyone with experience with shea have seen him tunnel illogically like this as town?

I think a tunnel fight with Shea can go bad. I've been in that with a TvT with him before. I said things that were mean and regretted them. I think it's best if you two just take a break from the fight and chat with others. My two cents

[VP Baltar]

Ali, I do plan to read your meta. I've just had an incredibly busy week at work. I had to get up at 5am today to do the case I promised on you because I felt like I indeed have been Slacking doing work in this game due to obligations.

I have read your wall and want to think on it. In the meantime, can you please give me the bulletpoint version if why you think sheep is so scummy. He feels very lhf to me, but in a sign of good faith in case I'm wrong here, I'd like to hear your sales pitch.

[VP Baltar]

So in a world with sheep!scum and baltar!town, you think he's trying to pocket me?

[VP Baltar]

[skygazer, hellbooks] are 2 slots that are like I Feel they are just Town but they haven't actually Done anything I can be like "Yup I'm not getting potentially snowed by this"

but I know I'm not gonna pull more content out of them

xof/tris are the most locktown, alisae as well on sheep scum flip

I mostly vibe with this in a sheep scum world. Xof I have absolute null, but I don't think I've ever had good meta on them.

Of course, in a sheep scum world, I get power mislimmed, but whatever. You all can figure it out after that.

[VP Baltar]

No tops for ausuka

[VP Baltar]

I think there was one game we were in where you died and andres and I pushed your dead reads. I don't remember if they were right or not

[VP Baltar]

Did andres quit mafia

[VP Baltar]

here are some town ones
viewtopic.php?t=90629
viewtopic.php?t=90521
viewtopic.php?t=90333

Lol linking a town game where you had three posts. Are you trolling me there?

[VP Baltar]

Ok, so having gone through these games, I think you basically have a fairly broad range of play as either alignment.

If I'm making general statements, I think you can and do sometimes show more dynamics as scum, and you can be slow to start as town. So I need to account for that. That being said, I noticed mykonium did call you out for this same kind of shallow and static play as scum in that one game. There, you had camped what looked like an rvs vote on them.

One point against my theory is that you do generally appear less combative as scum, which doesn't fit with this game as much. You see much more eager to appease as scum than tangle with people pushing on you from what I saw.

[VP Baltar]

Curious to hear your thoughts on my meta review of you and whether you think this game is outside your meta

[VP Baltar]

Not like scummy terrible but just bad

Bad how exactly?

Re: hollow knight, I couldn't keep up with that game and had to replace out, so I don't know what you were like there

[VP Baltar]

Bruh, are you trying to say that's not exactly what mykonium said that game?

What does motivation have to do with that? You were literally scum. The only motivation that matters is "kill townies and live"

[VP Baltar]

I don't remember what myko exactly said tbh

my reads can be static regardless of alignment and its your job to solve if that's because i'm mafia or town

Yes, I agree that's my job. The problem is that you seem hell bent on telling me "don't worry my intentions are good here" and then cascading from that, you're saying my viewpoint is bad or misinformed because I don't just take your word on your intentions.

Verify verify verify is my motto and I'm never going to just take someone's word without reviewing and making a judgment for myself. That seems pretty fundamental to the game of mafia, and it's kind of silly that you keep calling my play bad because of that or saying "that's not how town play" .

[VP Baltar]

Yes, that's a bad explanation. If I have time, I will try to read some of those games. I don't think I'm being unfair to you in the slightest (if anything, I was looking at those games to find reasons why I was wrong).

[VP Baltar]

Sheep, why are you voting hellbrooks?

[VP Baltar]

Also, good luck Garlic Bread!

[VP Baltar]

https://pokepast.es/f7a75145b5bddfd9 rate my team, i cant practice rn bc servers for the pet mod stuff is under maintenance lolz

Tag yourself. I'm calm mind thunder toxic

[VP Baltar]

baltar how come you've basically said nothing about be all game

I haven't had a ton of bandwidth and your play seems kind of in line with your play from last game, so I'm lean town on you. Pushing you hasn't really felt like something I care much about at this point.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: sheep bad posts E-1

Huh?

[VP Baltar]

I don't get what was bad about what sheep said there per se

[VP Baltar]

Oh jeez, there is a whole page that didn't show up as ninja. Just a min, lemme read that

[VP Baltar]

I also think there's probably one wolf in {ali GB} and not two I don't think the interplay between them was theatre I think its one pocketing the other.

Is Shea pocketing me? Maybe

[VP Baltar]

i think tris' E1 vote is +town honestly

i feel like they'd be worried about getting accused of opportunism as scum perhaps

Uh alright

[VP Baltar]

oh my garlic and shea throw shit at each other part 2

Let's not do that pls

[VP Baltar]

Hello?
Any Sheep Defenders?
Can Sheep Defenders make their case please

I think sheep has been a lhf push from the start. I believe garlic bread even said they thought so too (though they seem to genuinely believe in a sheep scum world).

Like, I get why people find him scummy, but he also feels a bit too willing to put his own foot in his mouth without caring about the consequences.

I don't believe you have made much of a true case against him, though you're cheering that lim (perhaps only second to me most of the game.) The Sheep lim overall feels lazy.

That being said, I'm considering voting there at this point because it is the most info rich lim and I don't love the people pumping brakes after he claimed VT. Feels like PR hunting is happening if I'm being cynical.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, I definitely think there is a nonzero chance sheep flips green. (Fwiw, I have claimed VT many times as scum early game because it does raise doubts)

I get why people see the VT claim and have second thoughts. But it's also kind of bullshit to railroad someone like it is OBVSCUM and then back away last minute, thus keeping the doubt on that person going for later. Especially on D1 when that player has been the most pressured and interacted with.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: sheep I'd like to advance the game state and maybe a night to cool off would be good for some people.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:
fuck man now I'm paranoid

This is performative

[VP Baltar]

I would still power wagon alisae if people want to pull their heads out of their rears. That's the only non sheep wagon I'd back

[VP Baltar]

I think sheeps flip will be more helpful than any post he can make

Sheep's flip is helpful here. I know hellbrooks thinks it's scummy to be honest about that, but this is the d1 flip that leads to a productive d2.

[VP Baltar]

I think sheeps flip will be more helpful than any post he can make

Sheep's flip is helpful here. I know hellbrooks thinks it's scummy to be honest about that, but this is the d1 flip that leads to a productive d2.

tell me what it does lmfao

gets garlic pummeled even tho he's mostt likely villager

which is fair enough and fine and im cool with death but it's kinda bogus that my v flip will make this game better lmfao

You flip red, I'm probably dead and do not have to read this game anymore.

You flip green, we lim alisae tomorrow for clearly scum pushing this wagon on flimsy reasons.

It's win win

[VP Baltar]

Kill pls

[VP Baltar]

Skygazer, I will town lock you if you hammer

[VP Baltar]

Alisae are mortal enemies and yet we both agree this us good

[VP Baltar]

Lol brooks epic troll

[VP Baltar]

Fuck yes. Towngazer

[VP Baltar]

I was mafia

[VP Baltar]

Hmmmmm yes I will pretend to care about sheep legacy

idk why ur shitting on my usefulness bro my read accuracy has genuinely gotten more and more respectable as ive progressed further away from puberty

My read accuracy has gotten worse as I get closer to death

[VP Baltar]

Don't doc me. Mafia give me sweet release

[VP Baltar]

make sure i have a tiny amount of caffine as well

Let's have tea! You literally did attend the scum mixer that time

[VP Baltar]

hey i wonder if we can drink tea in the mental neighborhood. is there psychic tea

Yes. It is green tea with lemon and honey

[VP Baltar]

Can't wait for sheep to flip green and for gb to be like oh actually I knew they were town I was just reaction testing tsq and he's scum now for sure.

Why are you so certain he flips green?

[VP Baltar]

I roleblocked Baltar

VOTE: Baltar

That's not why there was no kill, so...

[VP Baltar]

Why not?

Because I didn't do anything

[VP Baltar]

So you bullshitting me for a reaction or did you just claim for absolutely nothing?

[VP Baltar]

I mean, if you were it would mean we don't waste a cycle misyeeting me on a bad play on your part. So that does seem preferable

[VP Baltar]

I mean, if you were it would mean we don't waste a cycle misyeeting me on a bad play on your part. So that does seem preferable

I do think it's interesting you immediately assumed it only can be a fake guilty as noted by my claim you had a bad reaction to the claim lol

Not gonna drag this day out but your way "out" is to show work in dayplay and not talk about mechs here

What are you talking about? I said sky was either bullshitting me or wrong. That's not assuming a fake guilty. I think you're mudslinging because you know you look bad with the sheep flip and now brooks saying she doc'ed tris, who also wanted you dead yesterday.

[VP Baltar]

Lol how do you know mafia have no counterplay?

Most hilarious timeline is if it's GB and Skygazer and this is Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes.

[VP Baltar]

Nevermind the fact I don't believe hellbooks but hey

Why would brooks lie?

[VP Baltar]

what do you genuinely think?

Well I know skygazer is incorrect, either by lying or being misinformed. So that means brooks is almost certainly telling the truth.

I also think you jumped on me very eagerly trying to spin a concocted story about the setup that, as far as I can tell, is a fever dream meant to move pressure away from you and on to me.

[VP Baltar]

Do you think its reasonable for a scumteam with me on it to aim for anyone not named Shea here?

Yes why not?

[VP Baltar]

Why did you decide to jailkeep me based on that flip sky? Seems like an odd choice

[VP Baltar]

If I was you 2 theatering I would probably go after each other as damage control.

[VP Baltar]

Why did you decide to jailkeep me based on that flip sky? Seems like an odd choice

oh whoops forgot. i think sheep flipping green made you more likely to be red. i was aiming to hit someone that would probably not be night killed that was in my PoE.

Uh wtf would sheep flipping green make me more likely. He was not my preferred yeet. Alisae and GB were the ones pushing that wagon.

[VP Baltar]

ya baltar's play at the end of day yesterday was literally to cheerlead me on voting sheep, call ali performative for unvoting, say if sheep flips green to kill ali, all while being unsure and saying they're compromising on sheep

seems opportunistic with no strong solving involved, just felt like shading and maybe setting up another miselim.

baltar also keeps shading me and calling me a liar and has yet to vote me!!

Lol this tag team effort is hilarious.

I wasn't sure you were lying, but that is seeming more actually like the case the longer this charade goes on.

There were many reasons to vote sheep yesterday, even though I was quite uncertain they'd flip red. 1) it was the only legitimate yeet at that point that wasn't a low-info scramble. 2) a green flip would tell me a lot about ali/gb.

That's like level zero analysis, and I don't believe that leads you to "lemme jk vp tonight ". Just a wild train of thought.

Unfortunately, I was pushing the wrong person yesterday in ali I guess.

VOTE: garlic bread

There's no way you legitimately side with skygazer here as town when THEY CLEARLY DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO SUSS ME TODAY.

Hellbrooks isn't lying, and there is zero reason to believe that.

You two trying to coordinate smear on me as a way to save this absolute boondoggle is bad play but thanks for doubling down and outting yourselves I guess.

[VP Baltar]

You're the one doing the smear here my guy! I had you in my PoE for a long ass time. I had reasons to townread everyone left aside from you. And despite the fact you think I'm lying you're gunning for the player that's probably easier to eliminate today.

Baltar needs to go!

Yes, gb is easier to eliminate and clearly needs to die.

They flip red and then you're an easy lim after that. GG scum.

That's a pretty silly argument to make.

[VP Baltar]

I surely await your explanation for skygazer faking a powerful protective claim that includes blocking just to kill a slot that could easily be tied to a scum me anyways

My best guess is that you two came in here with a plan to fake a guilty on me and then spin whatever I said as a "bad reaction", then walk back the guilty and say you were reaction testing but I need to be limmed.

You weren't counting on hellbrooks legit claiming and undermining your move.

It's exactly the type of harebrained scheme you'd come up with knowing that you were heading into a very tough day after the shitshow of D1

[VP Baltar]

ok nvm he's just lolcatting

I'm not Shea so don't do this silly bait thing with me pls.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, if you were it would mean we don't waste a cycle misyeeting me on a bad play on your part. So that does seem preferable

I do think it's interesting you immediately assumed it only can be a fake guilty as noted by my claim you had a bad reaction to the claim lol

Not gonna drag this day out but your way "out" is to show work in dayplay and not talk about mechs here

I mean, if you were it would mean we don't waste a cycle misyeeting me on a bad play on your part. So that does seem preferable

I do think it's interesting you immediately assumed it only can be a fake guilty as noted by my claim you had a bad reaction to the claim lol

Not gonna drag this day out but your way "out" is to show work in dayplay and not talk about mechs here

What are you talking about? I said sky was either bullshitting me or wrong. That's not assuming a fake guilty. I think you're mudslinging because you know you look bad with the sheep flip and now brooks saying she doc'ed tris, who also wanted you dead yesterday.

So... there is a JK, a doc, mafia have no counterplay and do nothing against hellbooks, AND I don't aim for shea who was just as if not more clear?
Make it make sense.
I know shea is going to say I didn't kill shirou in TM but I aimed for the IC n1 and then I had more pressing PR targets after that.

Do you think its reasonable for a scumteam with me on it to aim for anyone not named Shea here?

I had an inkling he was trying to oversell fake distance towards me to tie him to me earlier and this kinda confirms it

Just complete bad faith interactions here.

Especially when koba tried to make the argument on D1 that I was scummy because I allegedly wasn't giving people the benefit of the doubt, but now comes in on D2 and says I'm scummy because I didn't immediately jump down skygazers throat for a wrong result? Koba just changing meta on me to fit a narrative is a giant neon arrow that this is a smear.

[VP Baltar]

yes I'm gonna have my partner skygazer fake a soft guilty instead of hiding and positioning themselves to look good off me potentially flipping.

I had claimed pr d1 and had the positioning to do whatever you're claiming is going on so nice try

lol I'm sure you think people believed your PR claim. Jfc

[VP Baltar]

yes I'm gonna have my partner skygazer fake a soft guilty instead of hiding and positioning themselves to look good off me potentially flipping.

I had claimed pr d1 and had the positioning to do whatever you're claiming is going on so nice try

lol I'm sure you think people believed your PR claim. Jfc

You're not *really* reading my posts if you're saying this lol

I'm not going to respond to this "debate me" energy anymore at this point.

GG but you fucked up with this ruse.

[VP Baltar]

Uh sorry to disappoint you baltar but i am literally lying about being doc

I understand wanting to protect yourself by muddling the claim now, but misyeeting me is going to confirm your claim was real and scum still kill you tonight. It's a pointless play

[VP Baltar]

Are we all just fake claiming now?

I'm unblockable JOAT

[VP Baltar]

I don't think we have a JK, doctor and 1-shot bulletproof in a micro. So someone is lying pretty clearly

[VP Baltar]

Ok sure

[VP Baltar]

It's fucking wild to have multiple people lying to get your lim as town because they trust their gut more than any logical play. Just absolutely insane play. We deserve to lose this game.

[VP Baltar]

i wanna vote baltar

Just lim me then. I can't even spend time with this nonsense of people making up claims. Obviously one or more people are telling the truth, but I'm pretty pissed that there is clearly someone lying and people are like "yes kill VP" when there is zero evidence of an ACTUAL guilty on me. The claims clearly conflict and do no actually show I'm scum.

I didn't take any actions last night. Kill me so I can stop reading this game.

[VP Baltar]

i wanna vote baltar

Just lim me then. I can't even spend time with this nonsense of people making up claims. Obviously one or more people are telling the truth, but I'm pretty pissed that there is clearly someone lying and people are like "yes kill VP" when there is zero evidence of an ACTUAL guilty on me. The claims clearly conflict and do no actually show I'm scum.

I didn't take any actions last night. Kill me so I can stop reading this game.

What conflicts about them?

If hellbrooks is doc or if tris is bulletproof, that means there is no certainty that skygazer blocking me affected the nightkill at all.

People are eager to say it's a guilty, but how is it a guilty when there is clearly conflicting information? I shouldn't need to explain this.

[VP Baltar]

but veeps trying to convince me that im actually a doctor is an incredibly incredibly fun genre of posting and i think he should keep doing that especially if hes scum

hellbooks: im doctor
vp baltar: see brooks is a doctor so its not necessarily a guilty on me
hellbooks: i was lying about being doctor
vp baltar: no you werent. you're a doctor

so good man
if we were partners they should make a scummy for best theater bc com on you couldnt script that stuff if you tried. no i mean literally though. bc the writers are striking is what i mean.

Shh shh. Think of your doctor salary.


Seriously though, I can totally see you BSing for funnies here. But regardless, there is clearly another explanation.

Like, I'm not going to be convinced I tried to perform a NK when I absolutely did not! It's less crazy for me to say that than you are wifoming doc

[VP Baltar]

Gb, you are so full of shit. 30% of players protective is not an impossibility in a 9p game? You do not legit believe that.

Further you are spinning so much and changing what you claim my "meta" is from yesterday. You're the most obvious scum that ever scummed.

If I have to die to prove that, whatever.

As long as people wake the fuck up tomorrow and realize you let GB lead you to tow mislims all while they are CACKLING in the scum pt. This game man

[VP Baltar]

ya i mean baltar went from shading my claim to insisting hellbooks is actually a doctor to shading all the claims and landed on accusing me of being town fakeclaiming lol. the way he went about this has just felt like scum scrambling to me.

got the vibe he thought he'd lose the 1v1 against me so went for the more attainable garlic elim in the heat of the moment

Bruh, I don't know what the reality is. Someone is full of shit and GB is exploiting it. If you're town, you should actually be weighing the scenarios instead of saying "lol vp didn't 1v1 me".

I wasn't really scum reading you yesterday and I'm trying to understand. But whatever, call me scum because I didn't jump down your throat in 3 posts. If you all can't see the Mac truck sized holes in this logic, the kill me. But you HAVE to lim GB tomorrow when I flip green

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Vp baltar


Screw this game. Lim GB.

[VP Baltar]

VP DRIP

[VP Baltar]

my take away from this game is that baltar is always mafia

I think the takeaway is that limming balter is a road to defeat

[VP Baltar]

GG to all, and especially Shea for a tough carry! Champion.

[VP Baltar]

Thanks for modding and fun flavor Ausuka!

[VP Baltar]

This turning into a hellbrooks appreciation thread is a good ending.

Hellbrooks made me laugh out loud when she played along with my absurd doc claim.

[VP Baltar]

Enchant bullied me and I was dead already.