Mini 707: Cops and Robbers Mafia (Game Over)

[Simpor]

I'm here, busy day. Will try to post tomorrow.

Have not read through everything, saw something about a claim..

I can only say that I am a regular townie.

[charter]

(Near the)

Top of the page votecount.

Vote Count:

Fuzzyman - 1 (q21)

Simpor - 5 (Ether, Patrick, corporate, crywolf20084, Green Crayons)

corporate - 2 (Tisp, Fuzzyman)
Ether - 1 (Empking)

Not Voting: (2)

Simpor
Mizzy

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

[Patrick]

Ether/Patrick: If Simpor turns up town, who should we have lynched instead? If Simpor turns up scum, who is most likely to be the scum-buddies?

I feel that no matter what Simpor is, Fuzzyman seems like a reasonable scum candidate. On entering the game I had weak bad vibes from him and felt he was potentially playing opportunistically, based on his dodgy Mizzyvote and the fact he was all over corporate (though the latter isn't necessarily bad, but he seems more certain on corporate than I feel is warranted). I also think his switch from finding Simpor kind of scummy but "not even close to the amount of scumminess corp excreted" to then being prepared to vote him could easily be just a switch with the momentum.

If Simpor is scum, Tisp might be trying to keep the pressure elsewhere whilst keeping the option in hand to switch to bus mode. I'd like thorough clarification of where he stands on Simpor, because I too got different impressions from "corp, simpor and crywolf are acting far worse" and "very weak Simpor boat". I find it less of an issue if Simpor is town. Mizzy has also expressed negative sentiments about Simpor without vote but not in a way I find scummy. I understand the caution in 329.

GC: I'm sort of confused by your vote for Simpor. Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you saw the only real point against him as fishing (in the post where you quoted me). Now you're voting him because of the additional point that he was deflecting from the fishing when questioned on it. I made that point in the first paragraph of my largest post, which you've certainly read. Did you just miss this or something? Dunno, it would seem like a weird thing to do as scum to pretend you'd missed the other cases against Simpor, but your vote for him surprises me.

I'll mull over crywolf. I need to look at that game she linked too, I was kind of hoping for one where she was town and I could do something easy and check whether or not she'd expressed the "scum always take over the town" sentiment Actually,

unvote

, not because I think Simpor looks any better, but because I don't want a hammer just yet.

Empking is funny. He will also most likely be totally useless, so why do I feel like I've won some kind of bet? I just hope Patrick appreciates the humor as much as I do. Wherever he is.

Heh. Actually, even when I felt awake I wasn't sure what this meant. D'you have a meta on Empking?

[Ether]

I don't. When I was recruiting you to replace in, I was in a sort of "replacement wars" state of mind where Charter would never quickly find someone halfway competent without my influence...so this is probably a bit more humorous to me than it should be.

[Fuzzyman]

unvote; vote: Simpor

to counter Pat's unvote. I personally feel that Simp needs the pressure. I trust y'all to not make a hammer in bad judgement, and we'll be able to jump on anybody who does tomorrow, right?

[Green Crayons]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but previously you saw the only real point against him as fishing (in the post where you quoted me). Now you're voting him because of the additional point that he was deflecting from the fishing when questioned on it. I made that point in the first paragraph of my largest post, which you've certainly read. Did you just miss this or something? Dunno, it would seem like a weird thing to do as scum to pretend you'd missed the other cases against Simpor, but your vote for him surprises me.

It isn't so much that I'm seeing anything new, it's that I'm trying to look at things from a bit more objective stance rather than from a perspective that crywolf is scumdiescum and everything else is periphery. Though I do still hold belief that crywolf is scum (or at least exudes scum vibes), from an objective stance Simpor's fishing/deflection is more condemning than my gut feeling + not exactly the most damning of evidence against crywolf.

[Ether]

I will

unvote

, but I would like this day to end fairly soon.

[Simpor]

Ok going through the thread commenting as I read.

Fuzzy:
Who I find scummy now.
I really don't like the connection between Mizzy and Ether. They are protecting each other. Lately my quotes in this post. And they have done it earlier in this thread.


Two posts from Mizzy which no one have made a comment about yet:

What, is sarcasm suddenly illegal?

Looking at my post which flipped Ether off, I would say that it looks like it is illegal! Or does it only apply to some people?[/quote]

She was still under (and is still not under) pressure.

Talking about Ether, apperantly she is under pressure now. but....

Have you been reading at all? I said that she might be dropping hints at being a townie but that's only scummy in certain contexts. She had (and has) no pressure on her, so her saying it isn't really scummy.

Amazing, three posts later down she is not under pressure! What do you have to say about that Mizzy?

Lots of talk about strawman here ( I had to look it up in the wiki, this is my forth game of mafia). So for my understanding Ether has done exactly that with my post, according to GC:

You then (post 207) say you dislike the juxtaposition of "How dare you ask me about Ped" and "I like questions," but those aren't quotes, they're paraphrased sentences and you ignore a part of his post entirely... which completely and totally warps what the post was.

You asked: Simpor, what do you like from Ped? And why the hell do you care if Crywolf thinks I have a power role? (My emphasis.)
He responded: I could ask you, why the hell do you care what I like about Ped? (My emphasis.)

Responce Ether?

And Ehter, still no response from my post 17. Respond now, please. You have responded that there are other "cases" against me, linking to you own posts, which are taking up the same originally reasons. So nothing new in them.

I will unvote, but I would like this day to end fairly soon.

This I was very suprised to see, Ether making an unvote. Why Ether? I can only see one reason for you to make an unvote ( after you die Simpor, die case) and that is to say at day 2 (when I will probably be dead) "hey, I was not totally sure about my case against Simpor. Look at my unvote! Why would I otherwise make an unvote?"

Vote Ether

Honestly do I need any reasons? But if you want some I would say the mizzy, ether connection is troublesome. It was after my statement of that suggestion Ether started going after me. Why? She also stated three reasons for here originally vote for me ( but I shouldn't comment against two of them). But her last post I do find scummy, I believe it is a preparation for day 2. And why would a townie need that preparation? Unless she is scum and knows that I an not.

So come on now Ether, put back your vote where it belongs!

[Green Crayons]

Simpor, is your native language English? Alternatively, are you a teenager or of similar age?


I don't mean any offense, I'm just genuinely curious if either is the case.

[Green Crayons]

And by native I mean primary, of course.



"Native language" just sounds so 1950's. Enough to make one's skin crawl.

[crywolf20084]

10] Once a person has been lynched, the game is in twilight until I post the death scene. Players may continue posting anything until then. The lynch cannot be undone.

Uhh..Ether, Fuzzy's vote was the hammer so thus your unvote doens't count...

@GC First language would've worked...

[Simpor]

hehe my primary language is not english!

crywolf20084:
fuzzy's vote was not the hammer since patrick made an unvote

[Ether]

Pretty sure I'm just giving my fingers some exercise here; I don't want to sleep.

I'm not under pressure. There's, like...you and Empking, but I don't take either of you seriously.

I'm not seeing the strawman you accused me of, but I responded to Canary in 352.

I will

unvote

, but I would like this day to end fairly soon.

This I was very suprised to see, Ether making an unvote. Why Ether? I can only see one reason for you to make an unvote ( after you die Simpor, die case) and that is to say at day 2 (when I will probably be dead) "hey, I was not totally sure about my case against Simpor. Look at my unvote! Why would I otherwise make an unvote?"

As much as I would enjoy seeing you dead, Patrick wants some extra daytime and I'm inclined to give it to him. Obviously if you're lynched I'll be taking credit regardless of your alignment or my physical place on the wagon. I think I made my sentiments extremely clear in the post you quoted.

I fail to see where I said you shouldn't comment on my reasons; I said you

didn't

comment on them. Not just two, in fact; you didn't provide a legitimate argument against any of the three.

I did do a brief number analysis on the game Crywolf linked to, and I didn't believe she'd be able to provide examples at all.

[Simpor]

Lets take this again...

First quote: I could have answered much better. I did so but much later.
Second quote: I believe I did answer that. And I did answer your question later down in the thread..
Third reason: Come on, what am I suppose to answer to an OMGUS reason? You wrote it yourself. "and I'm tied for highest on your list. So yeah." Discussion a reason like that is just ridicules.

Obviously if you're lynched I'll be taking credit regardless of your alignment or my physical place on the wagon.

Of course you have to write that now, otherwise you would confirm that you are a scum.

by the way, reading Mizzy's 346 I see that it is a mistype, I missed the not... Nevermind.

[crywolf20084]

hehe my primary language is not english!

crywolf20084:
fuzzy's vote was not the hammer since patrick made an unvote

I missed that. X.x that's what I get for reading after midnight.

[Empking]

crywolf20084 - Not much of a read. Seems townie though.
Tisp - No read.
Fuzzyman - Posted a lot - basicly neutral - slightly scummy.
Mister Lolipedo-kun Empking
q21 - Seems townie but I know he's good scum.
Aceagain Patrick - Hasn't posted that much but everything he has posted seems townie.
Mizzy - Mostly neutral - seems more townie than scummy though.
Green Crayons - Strawmans. A lot. Second scummiest.
Corvuus corporate - A loyt of ant-town tells. Not many scum-tells though.
Simpor: A bit scummy but his defense is sound.
Ether: Y'know what I think of her.

[corporate]

i wanna

unvote

i like his 382 and want to reconsider.

[Green Crayons]

Simpor, do you have any sort of response to the claim that you were fishing for any sort of role from Ether and that when you were asked about this earlier all you did was deflect the question instead of answering it?

[Simpor]

As you have stated crywolf opened the door, I asked her a question and then after a response I didn't continue questioning.

And honestly I didn't see that I was avoiding the question. When I saw that people asked for more I did post answers and that looked like I was avoiding answering the questions.

[Ether]

Empking: put those in order. Elaborate on...well, all of them.

First quote: I could have answered much better. I did so but much later.
Second quote: I believe I did answer that. And I did answer your question later down in the thread..
Third reason: Come on, what am I suppose to answer to an OMGUS reason? You wrote it yourself. "and I'm tied for highest on your list. So yeah." Discussion a reason like that is just ridicules.

Where?

Where?

This is both an ad hominem and a strawman. He takes the time to highlight that I am aware that he expressed some idiot suspicion of me, and uses this to try and paint my vote as pure OMGUS. He ignores my actual point about the fishiness of his opinion of Ped.

Obviously if you're lynched I'll be taking credit regardless of your alignment or my physical place on the wagon.

I think I made my sentiments extremely clear in the post you quoted.

Of course you have to write that now, otherwise you would confirm that you are a scum.

You're not even trying, man.

I find it somewhat odd that Crywolf has neither snapped at my hypothesis nor tearfully confessed to it.

[Patrick]

The argument involving Empking isn't terribly fascinating to me. It seems Empking is accusing GC of strawmanning his first attack on Ether. I didn't see Empking's attack as the too townie fallacy (though it's awful anyway), but I doubt GC was maliciously strawmanning him. I think Empking's accusation that GC lied seems rather pendantic and isn't really the most obvious explanation. Is there another major point that I'm missing? Not convinced he's scummy though.

Aceagain Patrick - Hasn't posted that much but everything he has posted seems townie.

What do you think of his defence of your top suspect?

I'm not sure what the point of 279 was. Simpor was spiritually at lynch-1, what does he need more pressure for?

On the other hand, corporate's unvote isn't really what I'd expect if he's scum together with Simpor. I'd be interested to know what he saw in Simpor's post that made him reconsider though; it didn't do much for me.

Unless some major changes I'll be putting my vote back on Simpor soon, but I'd really like Tisp's take on what's going on.

[corporate]

its mostly the mizzy, ether connection. i also felt that way when they were drilling me a few pages back. ether gives me weird vibes but im not convinced shes scummy. maybe just arrogant. thats why i wanted to think about my vote some more.

[Patrick]

Meh. I don't think scum are more likely than usual to defend each other like that. If Mizzy is scum, I see it more as trying to make a friend. I feel slightly better about you though.

[Fuzzyman]

382 is good enough for me.

unvote; vote:corporate

Back to teh awesome corp wagon.

[Ether]

Heh.