Mafia 89: Revenge (Game Over)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Azrael001 post 52: I would think by now you would know the do's and don't's of mafia. This is a big don't FOS
Azrael001 POST 57: By outing the roles scum have the advantage on who to kill first. Bad logic
killa seven: post 60: bravo
super random: post 63: misses the point entirely.
Azrael001: Post 67: my head hurts. Outing the cop unnecessarly does not help the town. If the cop had a guilty I would say please so you have a guilty. Guess what it's day 1 and no info. Deal with scum hunting instead of role fishing.
Azrael001 post 70: No. It isn't just a simple doc, cop, gf roles. there can be role blockers, trackers, nurses anything as long as the game is normal.
Lowell psot 84: Then tell me who you find scummy?
Lowell post 92: Better reason taking a side why? Is one town and one scum in your view? Why?
super random post 103: feels like a me too post.
MonkeyM post 104: really lets BW for no reason.

Okay in short. AZ just stop. I get newbie who just doesn't have a clue read on this. Some of the votes on him are people who aren't explaining he is wrong. Lowell defending and taking a side is weird, but I don't see it vote worthy and people already speculating on a scum group when no everyone posting deserves and FOS
Man I don't know who is worse. KOC for speculation and trying to start a wagon on a newb without a clue. Monkey or super's vote switch to start a BW with no reason.

unvote:
vote: KOC
FOS: Monkey and Random super

I'm not speculating, farside, I'm voting Azrael for speculating and asking for a cop claim.
I also like how you refer to the posts of your two FoSes, but give nothing against me - not even noting where my posts are.

FoS: farside

Votecount:
Knight of Cydonia - 4 (Santos, Azrael001, Lowell, farside22)
Lowell - 3 (super random dude, MonkeyMan576, Knight of Cydonia)
Azrael001 - 2 (q21, Light-kun)
killa seven - 1 (Jebus)
MonkeyMan576 - 1 (Sun Tzu)
Santos - 1 (ahaad)
Light-kun - 1 (BridgesAndBaloons)
Not voting: Wiccan Honor, Aceagain, Markenstein, sekinj, killa seven, smithy88, -TinVision-, PerArdua, alvinz95
With 22 alive, it's 12 to lynch.

[-TinVision-]

FOS MonkeyMan576 and Super Random Dude

. Their relatively quiet hopping on the Lowell bandwagon interests me.

[Azrael001]

I find it amusing that, even with all of this controversy, if every person who was currently voting for someone picked the same person, we wouldn't have enough for a lynch.

[sekinj]

@az - just because a person isn't voting for someone it doesn't mean they are not involved in the game.

[-TinVision-]

Well if you don't count the lurkers, this game is a ~12-man mini, in which case Lowell is at L-2. Ha.

[Azrael001]

@sek: I realize this, but that doesn't stop me from finding it amusing that less than half of the people have even voted.

It would be good to have the people who have yet to post weigh in.

[farside22]

Azrael001 post 52: I would think by now you would know the do's and don't's of mafia. This is a big don't FOS
Azrael001 POST 57: By outing the roles scum have the advantage on who to kill first. Bad logic
killa seven: post 60: bravo
super random: post 63: misses the point entirely.
Azrael001: Post 67: my head hurts. Outing the cop unnecessarly does not help the town. If the cop had a guilty I would say please so you have a guilty. Guess what it's day 1 and no info. Deal with scum hunting instead of role fishing.
Azrael001 post 70: No. It isn't just a simple doc, cop, gf roles. there can be role blockers, trackers, nurses anything as long as the game is normal.
Lowell psot 84: Then tell me who you find scummy?
Lowell post 92: Better reason taking a side why? Is one town and one scum in your view? Why?
super random post 103: feels like a me too post.
MonkeyM post 104: really lets BW for no reason.

Okay in short. AZ just stop. I get newbie who just doesn't have a clue read on this. Some of the votes on him are people who aren't explaining he is wrong. Lowell defending and taking a side is weird, but I don't see it vote worthy and people already speculating on a scum group when no everyone posting deserves and FOS
Man I don't know who is worse. KOC for speculation and trying to start a wagon on a newb without a clue. Monkey or super's vote switch to start a BW with no reason.

unvote:
vote: KOC
FOS: Monkey and Random super

I'm not speculating, farside, I'm voting Azrael for speculating and asking for a cop claim.
I also like how you refer to the posts of your two FoSes, but give nothing against me - not even noting where my posts are.

FoS: farside

You are speculation on Lowell and AZ and what was said calling it a scum pair. Also jumping on a newbie who is wrong even though he still doesn't get it is not a scum tell. Seriously you think scum is going to walk in and say. Okay cop claim so we can kill you.
Get real.

[-TinVision-]

A team of Azrael-Lowell-Light might be too obvious, but I think two of those three are together as least.

I just read back and noticed this quote. By "two of those three are together" you mean that they are a scum team together? I'm surprised this slipped by unchallenged; it seems like an awfully big leap of deduction based on very paltry reasons. Either you're Sherlock Holmes, or you're talking a lot of nothing, or you're try to encourage a wagon on any one of the three of the people who've garnered some suspicion already. I don't trust it.

Vote BridgesAndBaloons

[Lowell]

A team of Azrael-Lowell-Light might be too obvious, but I think two of those three are together as least.

I just read back and noticed this quote. By "two of those three are together" you mean that they are a scum team together? I'm surprised this slipped by unchallenged; it seems like an awfully big leap of deduction based on very paltry reasons. Either you're Sherlock Holmes, or you're talking a lot of nothing, or you're try to encourage a wagon on any one of the three of the people who've garnered some suspicion already. I don't trust it.

Vote BridgesAndBaloons

Ooo and I have a question too. 3 scum on a team? You sure about that? How?

That said, speculating on a scumteam, like openly speculating on powerroles, doesn't really bother me.

[Light-kun]

I'm surprised at Light's vote, as he seems to be trying to slip it in without notice.
@Light - what makes you think Az is experienced?

Hm... honestly, it is off the fact that I have played another completed game with him. Since I caught on to the game fairly quickly, (ie, about 1 game), I suppose that I probably assumed that Az would be as quick to learn to avoid a logical fallacy like that. Is that standard too high? *shrugs* maybe.

As for more current events:

forgot to

unvote

first and too lazy to check if it's required.

vote: Light-Kun

A team of Azrael-Lowell-Light might be too obvious, but I think two of those three are together as least.

*Shrugs* Go for it, just a *LITTLE* more reasoning would be nice.

Um... yeah...

Unvote

As I started off saying, I feel Az should be less foolish in his play than he was... is... *not sure where the gray area stops.*
Now...where to go from here...

Well, I am a bit peeved at KoC for having two posts (I *think* his last two) that contribute nothing to the game except outside joking. (might have been three) Sure, have fun, but in one of them, have some commentary...opinion...etc.

Next, we need those players prodded, but since that has been done already, I am just making this note here <---.

Next, Bridges: I understand the whole being busy thing...but you said you would (was it your "next post" from that one? Too lazy to look it up) you said you would explain why your voting me/having suspicions. So while I don't have any issue with your vote, I do have a problem with the lack of ability to defend against your reasoning.

Moving on: Lowell, why do you do this? PLEASE type something more than apathy and f*cking post it.

Az: Why do you assume that this game will have a cop like the other games? C'mon, for all we know, everyone might be a townie. Just because a moderator has the option, doesn't mean it is used. Not sure at this point if your honestly naive (or lacking conceptual thinking) or if you are fishing... I really wonder.

I have nothing further at this moment.

[Azrael001]

There are something like twenty people, and while I think that it would be amusing to secretly have

only

townies, I am guessing that with this many people that there would be a number of power roles. Now that I know there are a number of possible roles, I would be less willing to bet on there being a cop and/or doctor. It seems to me that the more people that there are in a game, the greater the variations among the roles.

I feel Az should be less foolish in his play than he was... is... *not sure where the gray area stops.*

Probably from your point of view, the gray area would stop on is. I am still unconvinced that in the event that there is only a cop and doctor left among the power roles that "follow the cop" is a bad strategy. Especially when the doctors protect the person from all kills at night (as I am used to (unless the kill power states otherwise)).

[BridgesAndBaloons]

A team of Azrael-Lowell-Light might be too obvious, but I think two of those three are together as least.

I just read back and noticed this quote. By "two of those three are together" you mean that they are a scum team together?

I'm noting how connected they are. I said "are together." I'm saying that through their connectedness, it looks like they could be part of (or an entire) scum group.

Either you're Sherlock Holmes, or you're talking a lot of nothing, or you're try to encourage a wagon on any one of the three of the people who've garnered some suspicion already. I don't trust it.

I'm talking a lot of nothing, isn't that what you do in the beginning?
Would if it had been better if I said, "not quite sure, but maybe, possibly they are together?" In the beginning of the game, there's no reason to not talk like that.
Everyone realizes that there isn't enough evidence to be confidant, but this supposed confidence might scare scum if I'm right, causing them to somehow attack this argument or otherwise act weirdly.

A team of Azrael-Lowell-Light might be too obvious, but I think two of those three are together

as least

.

Ooo and I have a question too. 3 scum on a team? You sure about that? How?

That said, speculating on a scumteam, like openly speculating on powerroles, doesn't really bother me.

I bolded and sized up the section of my post you should read. I'm seeing two together at least (note that the word as should be at). There could be a scum team of 2,3,4,5,6,7. Well, 7 doesn't seem very likely, but you get the point.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

There are something like twenty people, and while I think that it would be amusing to secretly have

only

townies,

Freaking gosh... more fishing. Everyone: Please be

very

careful when you respond to this.

(By the way, what I'm saying is that talking here could give away your role)

I'm going to post some reasons for my Light vote today, and I probably won't be posting too much/at all friday or saturday. I think I may get to post tomorrow.

Lowell's behavior does not strike me as odd considering past games. I will be sure to watch him.

[1]

Given the presented ideas by Azrael

[4]

, I think that he warrants another vote. Much more so than Killa's vote, considering his decent number of posts this game. If he lurks, I will vote him and his general null telliness.

[2]

*Shrugs*

As for Azrael, I feel like he should be more experienced

[3]

than to blunder as he seems to have done. As a result, I will be

Voting Azrael

for now. Hmm... Lowell, why do you think it is irrelevant day 1.

[1]

Buddying up with Lowell. Basically he's defending him saying a meta, without elaborating on the meta. It just seems like he's trying to divert attention away from Lowell. He also says he "warrants another vote," but then doesn't vote for him. Looks like he's trying to stay clean if Lowell comes up scum.

[2]

He's writting this now so he has a chance to attack Killa in the future if other people vote for him. Getting ready for an excuse to be opportune

[3]

Um, he's only playing in two other games here. He has only 73 posts here. Is that really "more experienced?"
(yes I think what Azrael did was weird, but Light's ignoring the fact that Azrael isn't very experienced. I believe this Azrael's first non-open game here. is that correct, Azrael? It's like Light's trying to make his case seem stronger than it is).

[4]

this is the point that I saw first.

He is following the points given by Azrael, right? But he

is voting for Azrael

. This totally screams out that Light knows that Azrael is town, and so follows his logic, but then ends up voting for Azrael?
Seems like a slip to me, him following Azreal's advice but then voting for him.

[Santos]

Luftballons may have something; lets go with it.

Unvote

Vote: Light-kun

[Phate]

Wiccan Honor, Aceagain, Markenstein, and smithy88 have not picked up their first prods. I am searching for replacements.

[Phate]

Shanba replaces Wiccan Honor.

[Phate]

johhan replaces Aceagain.

[Azrael001]

There are something like twenty people, and while I think that it would be amusing to secretly have

only

townies,

Freaking gosh... more fishing. Everyone: Please be

very

careful when you respond to this.

I think you misunderstand. I was imagining a game in which there were no other factions, and no power roles. Every person would be vanilla townie (no mafia). If I were running a game, I might be tempted to make a game in that format, just to see if anyone figures it out before it becomes obvious.

I do not think that that is the case here.

[Knight of Cydonia]

That's called bastard modding, and it's not Phate's style, AFAIK.
But still, it's more useless speculation - becoming a habit of yours.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think B&B may be on to something regarding KoC, but at this point I'm equally suspicious of Lowell, so my vote stays.

[sekinj]

++ follower points for MM

[killa seven]

going to be on vacation.. please dont replace.

[sekinj]

@k7 - if you hadn't mentioned it we probably wouldn't have noticed your absense, since it is so NORM.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think B&B may be on to something regarding KoC, but at this point I'm equally suspicious of Lowell, so my vote stays.

But no FoS, or indeed, any meaningful statement of why you agree, or what makes you so certain that B&B is safe to follow. Hmph.

FoS MonkeyMan576

until you explain why you're so certain that B&B is a good person to follow opinion-wise.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Incidentally - I find it amusing that Azrael and Lowell seem to be getting away scot-free with an OMGUS vote each on me.