DGB wrote: Can you please provide us with a list of who is scum and who is town? Just a list. No verb.
I'll give the list without verb and then the list with verb.
Town (<50)
1) Destructor - 45
2) Raging Rabbit - 47
Scum (>50)
1) Yos - 70
2) CKD - 65
3) Korts, Rofl - 60
Ambiguous (=50)
DGB
Sens
Elmo
RR
Tajo
BM
3. DrippingGoofball - Frankly, I find DGB's play utterly opaque. Anybody who has been following this game should see that our styles just don't match up at all. All I really see here is a list of "X is scum" "Y is town". I know this is how she plays (*grinds teeth*), which leaves me utterly devoid of any insight into her alignment. As such, DGB has to get a
50
.
4. SensFan - Very little content to go on.
50
5. curiouskarmadog - The early game irregular verb usage of CKD is my first problem with CKD. I am not sure what to make of his self-voting to L-1, but I don't think it inherently scummy. Somewhat ironic that he should label DGB as "useless" when, in that same post, his reads on Des, Korts and Yos are also gut- based (In preemption: I am not saying your gut reads are scummy; I am saying that it is hypocritical to lambast DGB as useless when she is really only taking gut-based play to its logical extent of "nothing matters so anything goes"). I was going to address this later, but seeing as I am talking about CKD now, these are the reasons he gives for suspecting me:
CKD wrote: even though vollkan's vote is off of me (atm)...getting huge scum vibes off him...was on my wagon when it was hot..called him on his shitty (unmeta like) vote...jumps off then attacks someone who is on my wagon...though his points at the time (against Yos) have some merit..still not liking the way he is manuvering.
1) I'm not sure why it is necessary to insert the phrase "even though vollkan's vote is off me (atm)". Unless you are incorporating some kind of OMGUS craplogic
2) "huge scum vibes". You all know my views on this; I don't think I need to repeat myself.
3) "on my wagon when it was hot". So what? There's nothing innately scummy about being on a wagon. It are the reasons for a vote which are important. I know you go on to criticise my reasons (I will get to that in the next point), but I single out this phrase because it adds nothing meaningful other than an emotional punch.
4) "shitty (unmeta like) vote". Okay, CKD has several times treated my vote as a "joke vote". Initially, I accept some blame here because I gave serious reasons and jokey reasons combined. But I have since explained that my vote was not for CKD's use of gut (which I presume is what he means by "unmeta"), but for his use of an irregular verb (hypocritical attack that other people doing weak hunting was "reaching", but him doing it was "early game scumhunting")
5) "jumps off then attacks someone who is on my wagon...though his points at the time (against Yos) have some merit". So I changed my vote for reasons which you acknowledge have merit? How the heck can you construe that as scummy? If I had presented my reasons against Yos without changing my vote, I daresay you would be criticising me for keeping a vote on you when there were more compelling reasons to vote Yos. This just makes no sense at all.
6) "still not liking the way he is manuvering". Could you be any vaguer?
All in all, I'd go about a
65
on CKD at this stage
6. Korts - His attacks on Guardian for being "non-committal" presented a very skewed interpretation of Guardian's play. Defended rofl's attack on Sensfan as having been justified by reasons, which I have already showed was complete crap. Also went to pains to argue that DGB's "actions" were pro-town; him eventually finessing all disagreement by putting it down to an ideological divide between us over whether scum want to generate reactions. Subjectivising disagreement is an old trick, and is basically just a cop-out.
60
7. roflcopter - Basically DGB writ large (or maybe that should be other way around...). Shouldn't come as any surprise that my biggest issue here is the tap-dancing about the SensFan scumminess. He kept pointing to the same set of posts for quite a while until he eventually backflipped and gave an explanation completely divorced from those posts. As I have said, the concern I have held for some time is that ROFL's playstyle allows him to get away with posting absolute BS and avoiding any accountability for it, whilst others get pulled down for the content of their posts - so the fact that he squirmed so much when forced to explain himself really underscores this.
60
8. destructor - Without canonising him as Saint Des the Most Protown, I've found nothing in Des's play thus far that warrants suspicion and his posts and reasoning are of a high standard. He's also asking the right questions. At this stage, Des breaks below 50 and scores a
45
.
9. Yosarian2 - I don't mean to engage in a pbp review of our entire debate. For now, L-2 vote for CKD had no justification provided with it; attack on Des for trying to divert attention from CKD (which was fairly clearly not what Des was doing, as Des's posts made it clear that he didn't think Yos had justified his vote); and a very poor ex post facto justification for the vote (again: 1) Playstyle change (not inherently scummy); 2) Disagreement with CKD's gut; 3) Singling out CKD for poor early game play; 4) Subjectivising disagreement by telling me the vote was just gut and I could either "agree or disagree").
70
overall.
10. Elmo - Little to go on. I haven't found anything said by him scummy, though.
50
11. Raging Rabbit - I haven't found anything scummy about him thus far, he's been decent as far as content and s:n goes, and he had good reasons to back up his Korts vote.
47
12. populartajo - Not enough to get a solid read.
50
13. Battle Mage - I really get nothing from his posts, and I haven't noticed any compelling arguments for BM either way.
50
14. Kison - Mild pro-town read here - his reasoning on Rofl, Yos and Korts seems to be similar to my own. Doesn't clear him by any means in my eyes, but without any scumtells it is in his favour.
48
.
BM wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Vollkan
Why?
BM wrote:
I dont think CKD scum would claim vanilla at this point.
Why?
BM wrote:
I dont think Korts scum would be so blatant in his self-interest.
Why?
